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TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 6, 2021, 4:13 PM
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Looks like he'll be going to Michigan. That's a tough loss.***
Dec 6, 2021, 4:14 PM
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Re: Looks like he'll be going to Michigan. That's a tough loss.***
Dec 6, 2021, 4:31 PM
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Tough loss, but better Michigan than at OU or one of the Florida schools.
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Doesn't sound like he was ever really All In anyways***
Dec 6, 2021, 4:14 PM
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Re: Doesn't sound like he was ever really All In anyways***
Dec 6, 2021, 4:17 PM
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Maybe OU with BV...
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That's probably right . . .
Dec 6, 2021, 4:19 PM
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Obviously a player will care very much about who he's playing under, so it's not reasonable to expect for that to be irrelevant . . . but ultimately, anything can happen to a coach, you never know - they could resign or get fired, or take another job elsewhere **after** the player ends up on campus. If they were committing to the coach rather than the school, then it's better that they find out about the departure before they actually sign.
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not shocking he wasnt fooling
Dec 6, 2021, 4:16 PM
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anyone when he visited michigan
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Peace.
Dec 6, 2021, 4:18 PM
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We’ll do better.
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 6, 2021, 4:19 PM
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Not unexpected. Move on.
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 6, 2021, 4:23 PM
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I’m beginning to wonder about these commits coming from IMG and schools like them. Remember, the sole intent of these schools is to improve a kids recruitment. So they spend a few years surrounded by above average talent. Talent that can help them look better. A lot of times in high school there was always that one kid on the other team. Stop him and you can the game. On these recruited teams you can’t do that. So a three star might look like a four star. Anyways. Good luck to the young man but like others are saying, it seems he was never really a CLEMSON commit.
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Next man up... Better now than later.***
Dec 6, 2021, 4:23 PM
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^ Absolutely ^
Dec 6, 2021, 4:28 PM
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Better now than later.
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Re: ^ Absolutely ^
Dec 6, 2021, 5:14 PM
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Ditto SOLOS® and tigerthree, better late than never.
BTW, unless a bunch of our other DB commitments end up de-committing, then I'm not especially worried about K.Sabb leaving us for MI.
Good luck to the kid.
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Re: ^ Absolutely ^
Dec 6, 2021, 6:59 PM
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Not that you ever have enough kids/talent at a position — we learned that this year — but it seems like we had an outsized number of defensive backs coming in. And his change of mind opens up an opportunity for another young man to be part of Clemson. Maybe everyone ends up better off for it.
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This is a very big loss
Dec 6, 2021, 4:24 PM
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No way to sugarcoat it.
Doesn't really matter if BV leaving had anything to do with it.
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Total shocker in the era of me me me
Dec 6, 2021, 4:28 PM
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Re: Total shocker in the era of me me me
Dec 6, 2021, 6:48 PM
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And instead....what? 5+ years ago and you never heard anything from anyone when someone decommitted. So this is now worse?
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 6, 2021, 4:32 PM
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Big loss, hope his teammate remains committed to us. Best of luck to him!
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 6, 2021, 4:55 PM
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The sky is falling! Michigan makes 1 playoff, finally and we don't, our defense coordinator leaves, we lose this commit. What are we going to do!
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 7, 2021, 5:15 PM
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My hands hurt from all the wringing I’ve done since he decommitted….oh no!!!! Wait a minute…. This is the only Decommittment we’ve ever had, right?????
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I may be wrong...
Dec 6, 2021, 5:00 PM
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but I'd wager this won't be the last time we hear about him bouncing form one school to another.
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Re: I may be wrong...
Dec 6, 2021, 5:46 PM
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I’ll take that wager.
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Re: I may be wrong...
Dec 6, 2021, 6:49 PM
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Any other recent examples of a Clemson decommit bouncing around from his new school, or is that just sour grapes?
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Re: I may be wrong...
Dec 6, 2021, 8:13 PM
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I think the point is this kid seems to have “commitment issues”. If anything doesn’t go his way he’ll be quick to jump into the portal. I agree with that assessment.
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Are you aware that all coaches including Venables
Dec 7, 2021, 2:57 PM
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do NOT discuss their pending job opportunities with recruits? So, when the player commits to the coaches, but the coaches leave, look who else has commitment issues... none of these coaches are in the last year of their contracts, so where is their commitment to be here to coach these guys for 3 or 4 years? Or is that a promise that they are allowed to not keep?
Please just stop...
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 6, 2021, 5:12 PM
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I guess singing a 12 year old song from The Killers in the snow, was too much culture to pass up. Enjoy college dude.
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 6, 2021, 5:14 PM
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So why did you “commit” then? Problem is that commitment means nothing. It’s in all sports and life in general. Why not just say it, he has a great excuse, “Coach V is gone I’m gone.”
From Merriam-Webster: Essential Meaning of commitment 1 : a promise to do or give something 2 : a promise to be loyal to someone or something 3 : the attitude of someone who works very hard to do or support something
All you can assume is that had the first year not went to his liking that he would have been in the transfer portal.
Agreed, never was All In…Rant over..
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NEXT
Dec 6, 2021, 5:24 PM
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Agree with earlier Poster that 98% of these kids have their Coach or other adults write these various press/Social Media releases.
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Also, He Lied
Dec 6, 2021, 5:28 PM
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By telling the Coaches he went to Mich to support his Brother.
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 6, 2021, 6:52 PM
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You guys are ridiculous.
Acting like in life you can't ever decommit after making a commitment.
You can decommit from a job after signing on the dotted line...just like the company can rescind.
You aren't required to walk down the aisle after getting engaged.
Thousands of non-athletes decommit from colleges every single year. The only thing they lose is their non-refundable deposit of a couple hundred bucks, and they don't have to have old dudes complain about them on a message board.
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 6, 2021, 7:09 PM
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Look, he committed under the expectation that he would be coached by Venebles.
Through no fault of his own, that has changed, so he is reassessing his options and choosing to wait until he sees who the new coach will be. The clock is ticking down to signing day and he will have to arrange backup schools in case who we hire is not a good fit. Also, it’s not like Michigan is a bad choice. Great school, great program. If we just edged them out to begin with, it stands to reason that coach V leaving could put UM ahead.
As for the trip to UM, that all took place before Lincoln Riley even left OU, so no way he would have anticipated Venebles leaving.
If he ends up at OU because playing for Venebles is his main priority, I get that too.
This is big business and the kids have to make these decisions through the same lense that we do when leaving a company or other similar choices.
He’s got great film and by all accounts is a good kid. I hope he likes whoever we hire at DC and recommits to Clemson, but I don’t have any issue about his choice or statement.
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 6, 2021, 7:14 PM
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Looks like he's out. A 247 reporter did an interview with him and he said "He wants a family atmosphere and there is too much change happening at Clemson." He wished Clemson well and sounds like he's going somewhere else.
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You need a hug or something??
Dec 7, 2021, 2:52 PM
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You're condemning his character because he decommitted from the school you support with your fandom, but fandom does not hold a sway in anyone's life decisions. He doesn't want to be a part of Clemson's current state of change, so, it's his decision alone to stay committed or not.
We all want these young men to display good character and integrity, and when they do but it doesn't benefit you, now they are all kinds of cancer, not all in or dishonest... please just stop it...
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Re: You need a hug or something??
Dec 7, 2021, 3:56 PM
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you don't know me... or Sabb...
Dec 8, 2021, 6:32 PM
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all of this is just judgmental hypocrisy on your part... because you have no answer for how it is that a coach can say that he is going to be there to develop a player, but take off for new horizons but the player can't do the same because of the change that the coach initiated...
this is just life, just as much as we heard about BV being courted for the job, so did all of the recruits...
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 7, 2021, 8:45 AM
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Tigerrag86- You’re missing the point. All of your examples support what others are saying: If you commit to something and say you’re ALL IN, a coach leaving, etc should not deter your plans, especially when those kinds of things happen all the time. It’s obviously a societal issue and people like you just accept it as the way of the world. With that attitude, the world is all “me, me, me” and that’s sad. When someone gives you their word and then decommits, it tells you a lot about their character….
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Was looking forward to seeing him in Orange
Dec 6, 2021, 5:32 PM
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That said - if he's not All-In, then might as well be All-Out now.
Hopefully we keep Mukuba. Add in Toriano Pride (who has confirmed he is All-In), Jeadyn Lukas, Daylen Everette, and Sherrod Covil and I think our secondary is going to be just fine. Even if we lost Everette or Covil (which might be possible), there are still a few others on the board that we could go after... including 5 of the top 9 ESPN Safeties other than Saab.
There are plenty of other positions (OFFENSIVE LINE) that I'm more concerned about than our secondary depth.
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 6, 2021, 5:34 PM
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I don't think that this will be the end of the de commits. And if OU really wanted BV as their HC, they could have easily waited until after the December signing day, and if BV really was sincere with his words since leaving, he would have told OU that their couldn't be an announcement of his hiring until after we had secured our recruiting class, which would have gave Dabo enough time to make a hire or promotion that BV could have made an open statement of how well Dabo had replaced him. He didn't care about our FB program, or any of the people there at Clemson, he only thought about and cared about himself, never thinking about his time at Clemson under Dabo is what more than helped him to retain the HC job at OU. The pain of what BV has started at Clemson will last for years. Personally, I lost all respect that I had for Brent Rentables for ever!!!
Dabo is a very nice respectable man, and I'm sure that he feels that BV could have went about retaining the job at OU with very limited damage to his program, and he didn't, and I'm betting that in his heart, he is hurt by the way Rentables went about showing his sincere appreciation of all he gained by being a DC at Clemson, and that's not counting the 2 1/2 mil as the highest paid DC in college FB!!!!!
I also think that the Clemson administration should put a limit to what an assistant coaches salary can reach, bc it's a fact that paying them the top salary in college FB doesn't keep them. Chad Morris was making the top OC salary, and he couldn't wait to leave, BV was paid the top DC salary, and he hit the speed pedal getting out of Clemson with the first offer that he wanted without any regards to the situation he was leaving Clemson and Dabo in. I just hope for Clemson FB sake, and Dabo's, that Rentables rush out of Clemson doesn't turn into another dandy dozen recruiting season that set Clemson FB back for years, and allowed the coots to win 5 straight against us bc the lack of depth!!!!
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 6, 2021, 5:40 PM
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I wish more people would think like this BV is total garbage
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Okay Coot.***
Dec 6, 2021, 7:40 PM
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 6, 2021, 6:25 PM
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completetly agree!he owed dabo for picking him out of a program which had been messed up by the stoopsid family,giving him a golden opportunity,and taking him to the top of the college football world.Dabo and CU deserved a lot better.i've lost all respect for him,and i don't wish him well.let's see how well he does at OU.have a feeling that venables,like some of the other coaches who've left,were made by the talent of the players,not so much the other way around.we shall see.
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 6, 2021, 6:27 PM
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completetly agree!he owed dabo for picking him out of a program which had been messed up by the stoopsid family,giving him a golden opportunity,and taking him to the top of the college football world.Dabo and CU deserved a lot better.i've lost all respect for him,and i don't wish him well.let's see how well he does at OU.have a feeling that venables,like some of the other coaches who've left,were made by the talent of the players,not so much the other way around.we shall see.
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 6, 2021, 6:54 PM
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So you're telling me that Venables was supposed to wait until OU's December class was already finalized and not allowed to try and retain the recruits that were jumping ship after Riley, solely so Dabo could tell all of his recruits that Venables was going to stay and coach them until they signed and weren't allowed to leave?
Bruh, give me a break.
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 6, 2021, 6:57 PM
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I also think that the Clemson administration should put a limit to what an assistant coaches salary can reach, bc it's a fact that paying them the top salary in college FB doesn't keep them. Chad Morris was making the top OC salary, and he couldn't wait to leave, BV was paid the top DC salary, and he hit the speed pedal getting out of Clemson with the first offer that he wanted without any regards to the situation he was leaving Clemson and Dabo in. I just hope for Clemson FB sake, and Dabo's, that Rentables rush out of Clemson doesn't turn into another dandy dozen recruiting season that set Clemson FB back for years, and allowed the coots to win 5 straight against us bc the lack of depth!!!!
I can't tell if this is serious or not. Venables is now paid in the top 10 of all of CFB and joined a Top 5 program in terms of legacy, with significant recent success, and youre saying he left with hte "first offer"? Sheeeet.
How does a moron like this have 100%?
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 6, 2021, 7:08 PM
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Was thinking the same thing. How does this Kat have 100%. His whole argument is about CBV being selfish while his post oozes with "I" this and "I" that. He is expressing me type concerns and statements like he was sitting at the table. People need to get a grip. CBV moved on with class and so should we as a fan base.
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 6, 2021, 8:20 PM
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I just really don’t understand how Clemson fans can turn so hard on someone so quickly. BV has had nothing but good things to say about Dabo and Clemson and vice versa. He worked his butt off here and earned everything he got. Wish him the best and move on. Calling him names and acting like a jilted 15 year old isn’t what is expected of a real Clemson man.
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They are coots posing as Clemson fans.***
Dec 6, 2021, 9:44 PM
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 7, 2021, 7:50 AM
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Look. I hate him leaving as bad as anyone. It’s like seeing your ex happier without you with someone else. It hurts. But, no school is loyal to any coach. Not even Clemson. Except for Brownell in mens BB. Can’t wrap my head around that. I digress, I love Clemson as much as anyone on this planet. Brent was offered a job at an elite school with a fully stocked locker room. I would have taken that job. I’d have been wearing my Clemson gear at home. Heck, my latest degree isn’t a Clemson degree. It doesn’t change my love of Clemson. Football is a ruthless business. Brent owed us nothing. Nothing. Not securing a recruiting class, not a statement. Nothing. One thing is for sure, no one is going to put work him. I want to #### and moan and throw shade as much as anyone else. But, keep it realistic.
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 7, 2021, 7:59 AM
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In the new system of portals and such, what good does it do to waste a recruiting cycle and possibly lose what you got? It’s best we found out now and can fill the roster with Athletes who want to be here
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 6, 2021, 5:35 PM
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Goodbye and good luck with your future. Kids aren’t experienced enough to know good/bad decisions yet so if he wasn’t all in he needed to go elsewhere. Not a loss since he was never a Clemson Tiger, bye bye ??
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To me it’s better to know now
Dec 6, 2021, 5:39 PM
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With all the wishy washy kids nowadays. I want committed players to our program. People think we’re dead. Sounds like perfect motivation for the Roy bus. GO TIGERS!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 6, 2021, 6:18 PM
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A decommitment means there was never a commitment to begin with. Good riddance.
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 6, 2021, 6:58 PM
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Its ok that we lost him...we still have Covil and Woodaz coming in. He was never All-in 100%. Everyone knew he decommiting when he showed up at the Michigan/OSU game. Its ok, we will rebound, but Dabo needs to find his DC now before other departures happen.
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 6, 2021, 7:14 PM
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Not at all surprised by this. More concerned about losing guys we already have than incoming, especially the elites. Also, wonder if Tyler is going with his pop, or staying at Clemson.
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Orange Blooded [3445]
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Disappointed, yes. Surprised, no.
Dec 6, 2021, 7:26 PM
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something in my gut told me when the BV news went official yesterday that @ least 1 of the IMG guys was gonna peace out. & given that he was in Michigan few weeks back, looks like he was getting cold feet & was just looking for opportune time/reason to dip out.
Hoping there will be more like Pride instead of Sabb that are truly locked into the commitment & being Clemson men. Unfortunately, I expect for sure Kanak to dip out b/c BV being the 1 recruiting him & being so close to Sooner country. CDS & staff really got their work cut out to finish strong on the recruiting trail & hitting the portal for some depth.
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I’m ok with it… he isn’t a safety anyways… too big***
Dec 6, 2021, 8:13 PM
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 6, 2021, 9:57 PM
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Isn’t this the kid who after visiting MI said “I’m all in”. And didn’t his parents say it as well. I wish him the best but get tired of all the lies.
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 6, 2021, 10:01 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 6, 2021, 10:13 PM
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 8, 2021, 8:33 PM
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Would have won more rings along with being pushed to be a better player if he’d have made a better college choice.
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 7, 2021, 6:27 AM
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Just saying but he seems to be more committed to the "V" values then the "C" Culture .Oh well .Can't keep them all.
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Orange Blooded [2563]
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Guess Harbaugh gave him a nice 'sleep over' .....
Dec 7, 2021, 8:00 AM
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Funny thing is , Harbaugh may not be there in 3-4 years.
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All-In [36438]
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5 Star is Elite - 4 Star in NJ is likely Very Good
Dec 7, 2021, 10:14 AM
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But he gone
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 7, 2021, 10:16 AM
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He will regret his decision would be my guess. While he's up there freezing his #### off, and we are making the playoffs pretty regularly, and practicing in decent weather, he'll be going to just another bowl game, in all probability, while getting ready and heading to practice and classes in the sub-zero weather of the Great Lake.
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 7, 2021, 10:20 AM
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The fact that he blatantly lied about his visit to Michigan last week tells you all you need to know about the character of this young man. He sounds like the perfect fit for the myopic Commander Khaki and his Ice Booted band of the Saffron Skulls. I wish him well.
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 7, 2021, 10:54 AM
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Lots of sour grapes on the board today. In the past, we have flipped kids on signing day which brought about a huge celebration in Tigertown. Anyone ever heard of John Johnson? Geez. Regardless, this new portal math is going to inflict some depth damage as our class is tiny. What big names are a lean to Clemson that are left on our board?
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 7, 2021, 3:53 PM
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LET THE RUFFSIDE DRAG
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 8, 2021, 6:34 PM
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### him and the horse he rode out on.
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Letterman [294]
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 8, 2021, 8:21 PM
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It hurts, but big ####### deal... We never want fair weather commits anyway. Move on!
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Letterman [294]
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 8, 2021, 8:21 PM
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It hurts, but big ####### deal... We never want fair weather commits anyway. Move on!
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Letterman [294]
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Re: TNET: Elite safety decommits from Clemson
Dec 8, 2021, 8:21 PM
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It hurts, but big ####### deal... We never want fair weather commits anyway. Move on!
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