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What is NATO doing right now in Ukraine ? Refresh my memory.***
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Jan 2, 2024, 12:19 PM
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Two things
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Jan 2, 2024, 12:35 PM
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1. The US and NATO should continue to support Ukraine and focus on defensive weapons and tactics.
2. Zelenskyy should accept reality that Ukraine is NOT going to force Russia to withdraw from Crimea or the Ukrainian territory they occupy. A further reality is that he should start dialogue to negotiate a ceasefire before all of Ukraine is turned into rubble with significant civilian casualties. His bravado and ego need to yield to a more pragmatic approach to Russia’s invasion. Saving 80% of his country is #### good and it is NOT worth risking a 100% defeat. Long term after Putin is gone, maybe there’s some negotiated settlement with new Russian leadership.
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Orange Blooded [4024]
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Re: Two things
Jan 2, 2024, 12:38 PM
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So long as conceding the Russian occupied territory comes with NATO membership.
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All-In [26620]
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Why do they need membership? They are already
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Jan 2, 2024, 12:40 PM
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Getting American $$$ which is what a NATO membership card gets you
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Re: Why do they need membership? They are already
Jan 2, 2024, 12:47 PM
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Cause they would get direct NATO involvement. LOL Neville.
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All-In [26620]
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So they get bureaucrats asking the US for more money?
Jan 2, 2024, 12:50 PM
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NATO has nothing else to offer.
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Re: Two things
Jan 2, 2024, 12:44 PM
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1. The US and NATO should continue to support Ukraine and focus on defensive weapons and tactics.
2. Zelenskyy should accept reality that Ukraine is NOT going to force Russia to withdraw from Crimea or the Ukrainian territory they occupy. A further reality is that he should start dialogue to negotiate a ceasefire before all of Ukraine is turned into rubble with significant civilian casualties. His bravado and ego need to yield to a more pragmatic approach to Russia’s invasion. Saving 80% of his country is #### good and it is NOT worth risking a 100% defeat. Long term after Putin is gone, maybe there’s some negotiated settlement with new Russian leadership.
I agree with your thoughts
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We Need Some Clarity
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Jan 2, 2024, 12:59 PM
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We are spending a tremendous amount of money supporting Ukraine and I support doing this, although NATO should be doing more.
Prior to Russia invading Ukraine, Biden suggested that a "minor incursion" by Russia into Ukraine might only lead to minor consequences. Putin certainly launched far more than a minor incursion, but this type of language was not helpful in deterring Russia.
We are now almost 2 years into this war and we have yet to be explained what OUR endgame is. Is it total removal from Ukraine including Crimea? Is it everything except Crimea? Is it part of the eastern territories?
We seem to be giving Ukraine enough to keep from being overrun but not enough to push Russia out. Putin will not lose a war of attrition.
We need some clarity from the White House expressing Our endgame.
As to Taiwan, again what is our policy? For years we have expressed a policy of strategic ambiguity. Biden however has stated on the record very clearly that we would respond militarily if China invades Taiwan. His aides then tried to walk back a very unambiguous statement.
If we're going to go to war with China over this or show a credible deterrence, then Biden should be building up our Navy and military forces in a very aggressive manner.
Iran proxies keep attacking our forces in Syria and Iraq and we respond with a few pinprick counterattacks.
We already are a paper tiger in the eyes of much of the world and that is a very dangerous place to be.
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Another Biden fail.
Jan 2, 2024, 1:06 PM
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We've done absolutely nothing to foster any cease fire between the two countries. I'm not even sure its ever been mentioned.
When Trump wins, he'll fix it all, I'm sure.
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Which is strange
Jan 2, 2024, 1:10 PM
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considering the constant call for Israel to enter into a cease fire.
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Oculus Spirit [81341]
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I honestly don't get why we haven't even suggested a cease fire
Jan 2, 2024, 3:59 PM
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or truce, or, well anything in the Russia / Ukraine stuff.
I get "Biden sucks" and I agree, but there is more here.
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Re: Another Biden fail.
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Jan 2, 2024, 5:16 PM
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He can't do worse than Biden, or Clinton, or Haley.
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You want them to clarify an end game?
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Jan 2, 2024, 1:09 PM
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We don't do that anymore. See Afghanistan.
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Re: You want them to clarify an end game?
Jan 2, 2024, 1:13 PM
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Nobody knows the end game. Everyone is winging it.
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Re: We Need Some Clarity
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Ukraine is a steal and only 5% of our military budget, we lose no troops, and all the money that is spent, 90% goes to US companies. It's a no-brainer to do it.
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Re: Two things
Jan 1, 2023, 11:54 AM
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I agree. Well said.
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Re: Looks like Russia is going all out now.
Jan 2, 2024, 12:40 PM
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Notice how much less outrage there is with when Russia kills civilians than when Hamas does it.
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Re: Looks like Russia is going all out now.
Jan 2, 2024, 1:14 PM
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Because Trump supports Putin, so they gall in-line.
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Re: Looks like Russia is going all out now.
Jan 2, 2024, 12:43 PM
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And how does this involve Trump? He could not be president for another year and a partial month.
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Re: Looks like Russia is going all out now.
Jan 2, 2024, 1:07 PM
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He supports Russia and is anti Nato. He will likely be our next to POTUS.
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Re: Looks like Russia is going all out now.
Jan 2, 2024, 1:16 PM
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He supports Russia and is anti Nato. He will likely be our next to POTUS.
Why does our present President not deal with this for 2024?
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Re: Looks like Russia is going all out now.
Jan 2, 2024, 1:27 PM
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Ummm we are Einstein. We are also talking the trajectory we are on and the future in a yearss as well. It's called vision.
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Re: Looks like Russia is going all out now.
Jan 2, 2024, 2:58 PM
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Ummm we are Einstein. We are also talking the trajectory we are on and the future in a yearss as well. It's called vision.
You sure are a rude one sir. Einstein? Really?
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I hope not. Maybe this is misplaced trust, but I'm hoping this lights another
Jan 2, 2024, 1:30 PM
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fire under Biden's ass and he takes the brakes off of ATACMS and everything else we've been slow-rolling.
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Re: I hope not. Maybe this is misplaced trust, but I'm hoping this lights another
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Jan 2, 2024, 1:34 PM
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We do need to donate a couple of f35's to Ukraine so we can measure it's capability against Russian air defenses.
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Re: I hope not. Maybe this is misplaced trust, but I'm hoping this lights another
Jan 2, 2024, 1:40 PM
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They are on their way. Pilots are just training.
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Re: I hope not. Maybe this is misplaced trust, but I'm hoping this lights another
Jan 2, 2024, 1:49 PM
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It's not the plane, it's the man in the box.
yeah... sorry, couldn't help it.
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Re: I hope not. Maybe this is misplaced trust, but I'm hoping this lights another
Jan 2, 2024, 2:05 PM
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Are those 5th gen fighters? because in a recent movie I saw, they sounded good
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Grab your gun and get goin' boy.***
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Jan 2, 2024, 2:18 PM
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Re: Grab your gun and get goin' boy.***
Jan 2, 2024, 2:45 PM
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Huh..boy?
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Re: Grab your gun and get goin' boy.***
Jan 2, 2024, 2:47 PM
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I can tell you are getting a little senile. Umm...they are fighting. We aren't sending our troops.
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Then what are you crying about again?***
Jan 2, 2024, 4:26 PM
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Re: Looks like Russia is going all out now.
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Jan 2, 2024, 2:34 PM
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screw trump he wants to be a dictator
why dont you support our dictator zelenski
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Re: Looks like Russia is going all out now.
Jan 2, 2024, 2:48 PM
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Youre very ignorant. What a clown.
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Re: Looks like Russia is going all out now.
Jan 2, 2024, 2:49 PM
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you support dictators
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Re: Looks like Russia is going all out now.
Jan 2, 2024, 2:51 PM
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Like I said you are ignorant. Dumber than a rock to top it all off.
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Re: Looks like Russia is going all out now.
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Jan 2, 2024, 2:52 PM
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like i said, you should join the military and stop running your mouth
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Re: Looks like Russia is going all out now.
Jan 2, 2024, 2:53 PM
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never mind, they need men
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Re: Looks like Russia is going all out now.
Jan 2, 2024, 3:04 PM
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Are you just a certified idiot? We are using their troops and funding them. Are your comments serious or just faking being a moron? Nice satire if just playing around.
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Desperation
Jan 2, 2024, 2:42 PM
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The last week Russia has primarily targeted civilian areas. There's no strategic reason to do this except to weaken Ukraine's morale. Not exactly Hallmarks of a well executed military campaign.
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Re: Desperation
Jan 2, 2024, 11:12 PM
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And of course we know this to be fact and not propaganda.
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Re: Looks like Russia is going all out now.
Jan 2, 2024, 2:52 PM
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you should join the military and put your feet where your mouth is
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Re: Looks like Russia is going all out now.
Jan 2, 2024, 2:53 PM
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Ummm, we dont have our soldiers fighting there dipshyatt. Youbget more ignorant and dumber. Just admit you are in a cult and an idiot just mive on.
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Re: Looks like Russia is going all out now.
Jan 2, 2024, 2:55 PM
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the mouse has no guts, as suspected
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Re: Looks like Russia is going all out now.
Jan 2, 2024, 3:41 PM
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zelenski better learn to speak russian
oh wait
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Good***
Jan 2, 2024, 4:26 PM
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Re: Looks like Russia is going all out now.
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We never should encouraged Ukraine to poke the Bear to begin with. It was a ill conceived and foolhardy strategy to begin with.
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You being a putin lover is the least surprising thing of 2024.***
Jan 2, 2024, 5:40 PM
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Re: You being a putin lover is the least surprising thing of 2024.***
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Go back 2 years or so look at the genesis of this fiasco.
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Putin lover say what?***
Jan 1, 2023, 12:10 PM
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But Ukraine was asking for it.***
Jan 2, 2024, 8:14 PM
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Re: Looks like Russia is going all out now.
Jan 2, 2024, 6:49 PM
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ukraine kaint swallow russia even if we gave the little dictator a trillion dollars
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