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Frank Beamer has won 99 games since 2003 and yet ...
Jul 26, 2013, 8:49 PM
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... the WRAL ACC writer doesn't even rank Beamer in the Top 5 of the best ACC coaches??
And he says Paul Johnson is the best??
Really? Nonense ...
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Agree.
Jul 26, 2013, 8:54 PM
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Beame , Dabo and possibly Fisher. The football schools of the ACC .
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Top athletes see no future in the GT offense.***
Jul 26, 2013, 8:54 PM
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Re: Top athletes see no future in the GT offense.***
Jul 26, 2013, 8:58 PM
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Beamer is done. Its not where u have been its where u are going. He has lost it won't be here next year will retire.
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You may be right...
Jul 27, 2013, 11:57 AM
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It's unfortunate, because I like watching a team that can execute what they call "Beamerball" at Virginia Tech. Starts with great special teams play, then great defense, then a conservative offense that takes care of the ball. Danny Ford's kind of football.
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I can't even comprehend how PJ is #1???
Jul 26, 2013, 9:00 PM
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If you take track record alone, Beamer is #1. PJ has an outdated system that is starting to catch up with him. I give him two more years tops at GT. They can't recruit with that crappy offense. Its starting to show with the talent they are getting.
I don't see High Schools across the country going to his offense, I see more HS going to the spread option.
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Beamer, eh.
Jul 26, 2013, 9:25 PM
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Does Beamer qualify as an elite coach? I believe his record against top 5 teams is 1-19. He's beaten the teams he had more talent than, but not sure that qualifies him as a great coach. He beat up on a lot of bad teams in the Big East, and then was fortunate he came into the ACC while Miami, Fla. St, and Clemson were below their normal levels.
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^ Beamer Reamer.***
Jul 26, 2013, 9:32 PM
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Just don't make him play James Madison.***
Jul 27, 2013, 9:04 AM
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or temple for homecoming...
Jul 27, 2013, 11:10 AM
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Temple Shocks No. 14 Virginia Tech
COLLEGE FOOTBALL / WEEK 7
Big East: Freshman Scott makes first start at quarterback and throws for two touchdowns to lead previously winless Temple to a 28-24 upset victory.
October 18, 1998|From Associated Press
Devin Scott, a freshman starting his first game against the nation's fourth-best defense, threw for 155 yards and two touchdowns to lead previously winless Temple to a 28-24 come-from-behind road victory over No. 14 Virginia Tech Saturday at Blacksburg, Va.
Temple, which entered the game 0-26 in Big East Conference road games, trailed by 17 points but rallied with three second-half touchdowns--including a game-winning one-yard run by Scott.
"I was just having fun out there," said Scott, who began the season as the Owls' third-string quarterback. "I like to pass. This is an option team, but I like to throw the ball and every time the coach calls a pass play I get excited."
For the Owls (1-6 overall and 1-2 Big East), it was their first victory over a ranked team since Sept. 19, 1987, when they defeated No. 16 Pittsburgh, 24-21. Temple's victory is even more impressive considering that the Owls had 10 players making their first starts of the season because of injuries.
"I've never seen a more injured, beat up football team in my life," Temple Coach Bobby Wallace said. "They were just playing their hearts out."
Led by Leon Gray's interception late in the fourth quarter, Temple's defense made enough big plays to stop Virginia Tech (5-1, 3-1).
"That last goal-line play, we just kicked that door down," Wallace said.
Virginia Tech's Nick Sorensen, a safety brought back to quarterback at midseason, engineered the last drive in the final 1:28 with six consecutive completions and a four-yard run. But wide-open Ricky Hall dropped what looked like an easy touchdown pass in the end zone with 24 seconds to play before Lamont Pegues, who rushed for a career-high 166 yards, was stopped to end the game at the Temple two.
This is the second year in a row that Virginia Tech suffered a homecoming upset loss. Last season, Miami of Ohio defeated the Hokies, 24-17.
This one hurt even more.
"I've never been so embarrassed in my life," Virginia Tech defensive end Corey Moore said. "I'm shellshocked. We're the laughingstock of college football right now and deservedly so."
Virginia Tech outgained Temple, 480-357, and Sorensen completed 14 of 24 passes for 143 yards, but he threw two interceptions and fumbled once.
"It was a great game, a tough game," Sorensen said. "We just didn't pull it out in the end."
In the first half, Sorensen threw a screen pass to Jarrett Ferguson for a 26-yard touchdown.
Shayne Graham kicked a 28-yard field goal on Virginia Tech's next possession, and Sorensen put the Hokies ahead, 17-0, with an 11-yard touchdown pass to Hall on a slant pattern.
"Sometimes I think when you get momentum early in a game you let up a bit," Virginia Tech Coach Frank Beamer said. "It looked like things were going our way and it was going to be a ho-hum day, and then we started to play ho-hum."
Sorensen said: "I thought the game was over."
Temple finally scored when fullback Rasha Harrison turned a screen pass into a 67-yard touchdown, and it didn't let up thereafter.
"One big play let them back in the game," Moore said. "That gave them confidence and the momentum."
Temple got another touchdown on a 13-yard run by Jason McKie, and, with 9:07 remaining in the third quarter, Scott completed an 80-yard touchdown pass to Carlos Johnson to put the Owls ahead, 21-17.
http://articles.latimes.com/1998/oct/18/sports/sp-33884
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Paul Johnson is an NC native..North Carolina
Jul 27, 2013, 8:25 AM
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writers are very provincial. Just remember all the Clemson players placed behind stiffs from UNC Dook NCS and WF over the years on all conference teams. Same thing at work here.....
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How many coaches in CFB history
Jul 27, 2013, 9:09 AM
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have good overall records vs the top 5 ? Kind of an arbitrary way to judge a coach. Why not ask what Beamers record is against the top 25 instead ?
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excellent point.
Jul 27, 2013, 9:17 AM
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point
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not to mention he's one of the biggest aholes in cfb...
Jul 27, 2013, 9:48 AM
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http://www.techsideline.com/football/capexcerpt.htm
the below is the result of his and vpi's handling of christy bronzkala rape by two of his players...
in 2008 beamer was censured by the university then he and his staff was finally removed from any cap involvement. you'll notice he's only reached for comment on situations, but all discipline that involves cap is now handled by the ad & university. this was because of frankie scheamer hiding information from the university involving players so they could play in bowl games. brandon ore & marcus vick are the 2 most well known.
Virginia Tech Comprehensive Action Plan (CAP)
Note from TechSideline.com: the following document contains excerpts (not the full text) from Virginia Tech's "Comprehensive Action Plan" (CAP) governing the behavior of student athletes. To view the full text, click here.
Virginia Tech Comprehensive Action Plan
Feb. 14, 1997
A Comprehensive Action Plan to Address Student-Athlete Behavior
Table of Contents
I. Introduction
II. The Recruiting Process
III. Encouraging Appropriate Behavior
IV. Sanctions
V. Conclusion
App. A Mission Statement of VT Athletic Department
App. B Modifications to Student-Athlete Handbook
App. C Conduct Resolution
I. Introduction
The profile of intercollegiate athletics has risen in recent years. As sports teams garner ever increasing media attention, so too have the off-field problems of athletes been spotlighted for media scrutiny. Virginia Tech has not been excluded from this unfortunate turn of events.
University officials, coaches, faculty, alumni and players are embarassed and upset by arrests of Virginia Tech student-athletes. It reflects poorly on the university, the integrity of all athletes, and the program in general. It is utterly incompatible with the character of our university community and completely unacceptable. It detracts from the remarkable success Virginia Tech student-athletes have achieved in recent years on the field and in the classroom. Accordingly, at the conclusion of the 1996 football season President Paul Torgeson asked Athletic Director David Braine to lead a group representing a cross-section of the university to review current department policies relative to student-athlete off-field behavior and develop a series of recommendations that would minimize future occurrences.
Committee members include:
Frank Beamer, Head Football Coach
below is more of his record breakdown written after the beat down at the hands of stanford.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/hokies-journal/2011/01/a_closer_look_at_virginia_tech.html
Posted at 2:40 PM ET, 01/10/2011
A closer look at Virginia Tech Coach Frank Beamer and the big game
By Mark Giannotto
It's now been a week since Virginia Tech lost to No. 5 Stanford in last Monday's Orange Bowl, and other than defensive coordinator Bud Foster's pursuit of the Pittsburgh head coaching vacancy, the popular topic of discussion amongst Virginia Tech fans is their growing frustration with the Hokies inability to win the "big game" under Coach Frank Beamer.
Well, since we're just hours away from the biggest game of this college football season, I figured it presents a good opportunity to take a closer look at Beamer's record in the "big games."
I've spent the past week scouring over records because some felt constantly mentioning Beamer's 1-19 record against top-five opponents didn't present the full picture of his tenure in regards to marquee matchups. I decided that a big game meant the opponent was currently ranked in the top 25 or it was an opponent in a bowl game. I broke it down into many different categories, including before and after the 1995 season, against non-conference and conference opponents, whether Virginia Tech was ranked or unranked at the time, if it was a home game or played away from Lane Stadium, and much more.
I also compared Beamer's win percentage in bowl games and facing ranked opponents with 12 other head coaches from around the country. They were Oregon's Chip Kelly, Auburn's Gene Chizik, Penn State's Joe Paterno, former Florida State Coach Bobby Bowden, Ohio State's Jim Tressel, Alabama's Nick Saban, former USC Coach Pete Carroll, Oklahoma's Bob Stoops, Florida's Urban Meyer, Texas Coach Mack Brown, former Tennessee Coach Phillip Fulmer and former Michigan Coach Lloyd Carr.
So how did Beamer stand up? Check after the jump for the full breakdown.
Beamer has a 41-47-1 record overall (.461 win percentage) in bowl games or when facing an opponent ranked in the top 25. But when the Hokies have been ranked, Beamer is 32-24 in those "big games." Beamer is also 30-21 since the 1995-96 season when the Hokies went to the Sugar Bowl and the program announced itself on the national stage.
Much has been made about Beamer's 1-19 mark against top-five foes, but he's also just 7-30 against top 10 opponents and 15-31 against teams ranked in the top 15. And when compared to those 12 other head coaches, the only two with equivalent win percentages in bowl games or facing top 25 opponents were Fulmer (.500), Brown (.454) and Chizik (.412).
But Brown's win percentage is significantly higher (.600) since he became coach at Texas in 1998, not to mention he's got a national championship on his resume. And Chizik is in just his fourth year as a Division-I head coach, and already has Auburn in the national championship game Monday night against Oregon. Fulmer also has a national championship to his name. The other nine coaches had superior records in "big games."
Here, though, is the full breakdown of all my research over the past week. Rather than try to analyze it all myself, I'd prefer if you looked it over and made your own judgments based off the numbers. But I would love to hear your thoughts in the comments section.
Beamer all time at VT vs. ranked opponents and bowl games
41-47-1 vs. ranked and bowl games
28-38 vs. top 20
15-31 vs. top 15
7-30 vs. top 10
1-19 vs. top 5
18-13-1 at home
23-34 away from Lane
7-11 in bowl games
18-32-1 vs. non conference
23-15 vs. in conference
37-25 since 1995-96 season
4-22-1 before 1995-96 season
29-21 since 1999-2000
39-36-1 since joining Big East before 1991 season
2-11 before joining Big East
Beamer when VT is ranked vs. ranked opponents and bowl games
32-24 overall
22-18 vs. top 20
12-14 vs. top 15
4-14 vs. top 10
1-11 vs. top 5
13-6 at home
19-18 away from Lane
6-9 in bowl games
14-14 in non conference
18-10 in conference
30-21 since 1995-96 season
2-3 before 1995-96 season
24-18 since 1999-2000 season
32-24 since joining Big East before 1991 season
0-0 before joining Big East
Beamer when VT is unranked vs. ranked opponents and bowl games
9-23-1 vs. ranked and bowl games
6-20 vs. top 20
3-17 vs. top 15
3-16 vs. top 10
0-8 vs. top 5
5-7-1 at home
4-16 away from Lane
1-2 in bowl games
4-18-1 in non conference
5-5 in conference
7-4 since 1995-96 season
2-19-1 before 1995-96
5-3 since 1999-2000 season
7-12-1 since joining Big East before 1991 season
2-11 before joining Big East
HOW OTHER COACHES HAVE FARED
Chip Kelly (.778 win percentage)
Oregon 2009-2010
7-2 vs. ranked and bowl games
6-2 vs. top 20
4-2 vs. top 15
3-1 vs. top 10
1-0 vs. top 5
Gene Chizik (.412 win percentage)
Iowa State 2007-2008; Auburn 2009-2010
0-8 at Iowa St.; 7-2 at Auburn; 7-10 vs. ranked and bowl games
0-6 at Iowa St.; 4-2 at Auburn; 4-8 vs. top 20
0-5 at Iowa St.; 4-2 at Auburn; 4-7 vs. top 15
0-3 at Iowa St.; 1-2 at Auburn; 1-5 vs. top 10
0-2 at Iowa St.; 0-1 at Auburn; 0-3vs. top 5
Joe Paterno (.530 win percentage)
Penn State 1966-present
87-76-1 vs. ranked and bowl games
67-74 vs. top 20
51-59 vs. top 15
32-48 vs. top 10
12-32 vs. top 5
Bobby Bowden (.565 win percentage)
West Virginia 1970-1975; Florida State 1976-2009
1-6 at WVU; 86-60-1 at FSU; 87-66-1 vs. ranked and bowl games
1-6 at WVU; 71-45-1 at FSU; 72-51-1 vs. top 20
0-5 at WVU; 56-51-1 at FSU; 56-56-1 vs. top 15
0-4 at WVU; 39-40-1 at FSU; 39-44-1 vs. top 10
0-1 at WVU; 19-29-1 at FSU; 19-30-1 vs. top 5
Jim Tressel (.700 win percentage)
Ohio State 2001-present
35-15 vs. ranked and bowl games
26-14 vs. top 20
20-11 vs. top 15
9-9 vs. top 10
6-8 vs. top 5
Nick Saban (.542 win percentage)
Toledo 1990; Michigan State 1995-1999; LSU 2000-2004; Alabama 2007-present
0-0 at Toledo; 8-15 at Mich. St; 14-10 at LSU; 17-8 at Alabama; 39-33 vs. ranked and bowl games
7-10 at Mich. St; 12-9 at LSU; 15-6 at Alabama; 34-25 vs. top 20
6-8 at Mich. St; 10-8 at LSU; 10-5 at Alabama; 26-21 vs. top 15
5-6 at Mich. St; 5-5 at LSU; 9-4 at Alabama; 19-15 vs. top 10
3-3 at Mich. St; 3-2 at LSU; 3-3 at Alabama; 9-8 vs. top 5
Pete Carroll (.783 win percentage)
USC 2001-2009
36-10 vs. ranked and bowl games
25-7 vs. top 20
20-6 vs. top 15
14-4 vs. top 10
5-2 vs. top 5
Bob Stoops (.700 win percentage)
Oklahoma 1999-present
42-18 vs. ranked and bowl games
31-15 vs. top 20
24-11 vs. top 15
13-9 vs. top 10
8-7 vs. top 5
Urban Meyer (.688 win percentage)
Bowling Green 2001-2002; Utah 2003-2004; Florida 2005-2010
0-0 at Bowling Green; 3-0 at Utah; 19-10 at Florida; 22-10 vs. ranked and bowl games
2-0 at Utah; 13-8 at Florida; 15-8 vs. top 20
0-0 at Utah; 13-7 at Florida; 13-7 vs. top 15
12-4 vs. top 10
8-3 vs. top 5
Mack Brown (.454 win percentage)
Tulane 1985-1987; North Carolina 1988-1997; Texas 1998-present
0-8 at Tulane; 11-22-1 at UNC; 33-22 at Texas; 44-52-1 vs. ranked and bowl games
0-7 at Tulane; 7-15-1 at UNC; 24-18 at Texas; 31-40-1 vs. top 20
0-5; at Tulane; 2-10-1 at UNC; 17-18 at Texas; 19-33-1 vs. top 15
0-3 at Tulane; 2-8 at UNC; 10-15 at Texas; 12-26 vs. top 10
0-2 at Tulane; 0-6 at UNC; 5-8 at Texas; 5-16 vs. top 5
Phillip Fulmer (.500 win percentage)
Tennessee 1992-2008
40-39-1 vs. ranked and bowl games
34-35-1 vs. top 20
24-33-1 vs. top 15
14-26-1 vs. top 10
6-15-1 vs. top 5
Lloyd Carr (.623 win percentage)
Michigan 1995-2007
43-26 vs. ranked and bowl games
37-20 vs. top 20
29-14 vs. top 15
18-9 vs. top 10
8-4 vs. top 5
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You got a Cliffs Notes version?***
Jul 27, 2013, 10:57 AM
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that is the cliff's notes version; there's a lot of dirt...
Jul 27, 2013, 11:07 AM
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hth.
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I'm surprised you can still post
Jul 27, 2013, 11:38 AM
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Testing....1...2...3...Go Tigers!***
Jul 27, 2013, 12:00 PM
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What about Danny Ford ?
Jul 27, 2013, 10:36 AM
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Does our legend stack up to these guys in the same categories ?
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Re: What about Danny Ford ?
Jul 27, 2013, 1:11 PM
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Granted I was going off Wiki info, but it looks like Danny only played two top 5 teams in all his years at Clemson. He was 2-0. Beat #4 Georgia and #4 Nebraska in 81. His Clemson teams never played any other teams in the top 5 at the time of the game. That said, he won twice as many games against top 5 teams as Beamer in one tenth the chances. =)
I'll give you it may be unfair to go entirely off games against the top 5. At the same time, you can't be 1-19 against top 5 teams and be considered elite or the best coach in your conference. Just my opinion.
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What is the record against Top-5 competition for the ACC guys
Jul 28, 2013, 9:29 PM
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rated above Beamer?
Teams that are routinely in the Top 5 are there for a reason ... they don't lose games very often. The largest majority of coaches have a poor record against the Top 5. The fact that Beamer might have even faced 20 Top 5 opponents is remarkable.
I think just winning 99 games in 10 years qualifies you as an elite ACC coach regardless of how you got those wins. If ot the best, then certainly inside the best five.
Any list of active ACC coaches that leaves Frank Beamer out of the Top 5 is highly suspect any way you look at it.
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