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Will Clemson not being a "Heisman school" hurt recruiting?
Dec 13, 2019, 3:26 PM
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Since we have not had a Heisman winner, will this hurt us getting big time players?
Finebaum was making fun of us on his show today. Pissed me off.
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Only for QBs and RBs since they're the only ones who win it.
Dec 13, 2019, 3:30 PM
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But no.
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Re: Only for QBs and RBs since they're the only ones who win it.
Dec 13, 2019, 3:33 PM
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But a Heisman winner gives legitimacy to a program.
I feel other teams could be using our inability to land a Heisman winner as a recruiting advantage over a big time athlete.
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Re: Only for QBs and RBs since they're the only ones who win it.
Dec 13, 2019, 3:36 PM
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"But a Heisman winner gives legitimacy to a program". You mean like South Carolina legitimacy?
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Re: Only for QBs and RBs since they're the only ones who win it.
Dec 13, 2019, 3:42 PM
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Exactly why they are so much better than we are, what shall we ever do? This cycling out is hard stuff. I sure wish our team was sitting at home after a 4 win season....
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Re: Only for QBs and RBs since they're the only ones who win it.
Dec 13, 2019, 3:42 PM
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touche' Good comeback.
I'm just wondering if it will start to hurt us. Our schedule has been so weak and our second teamers have been put in in the 3rd quarter most games.
I feel like if we were in the SEC we would get more exposure. Etienne and Trevor should be Heisman finalists. Tee should be up there with the best, as well
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Cooter alert!
Dec 13, 2019, 3:51 PM
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Coot
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Did George Rogers Heisman help SCAR recruiting?
Dec 13, 2019, 5:56 PM
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I’m going to say ... no.
Not then, and certainly not now.
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Re: Only for QBs and RBs since they're the only ones who win it.
Dec 13, 2019, 4:13 PM
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This is the real point. If a player is wrapped up in Heisman talk enough to effect recruiting they are likely not a good fit for our program.
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Re: Will Clemson not being a "Heisman school" hurt recruiting?
Dec 13, 2019, 3:31 PM
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Has it yet? There's your answer
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It already has. We just dropped to #2 in recruiting rankings***
Dec 13, 2019, 3:40 PM
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we are doomed!!
Dec 13, 2019, 4:02 PM
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We will get back in the Heisman discussion once the shock of Clemson being the new king of the mountain wears off
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Re: Will Clemson not being a "Heisman school" hurt recruiting?
Dec 13, 2019, 3:40 PM
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Have you seen the number of other trophies Clemson players have won over the years? If that doesn't answer your question, I don't know what will.
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Re: Will Clemson not being a "Heisman school" hurt recruiting?
Dec 13, 2019, 3:45 PM
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I would like to see a Clemson player win the Heisman but Clemson is a "National Championship school",that outweighs the Heisman and the top recruits want to play for the best teams that are National Championship caliber year in and year out
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I don't think it will, but hey...that's a great question
Dec 13, 2019, 3:45 PM
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you've raised and I appreciate you bringing it to the board today!
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Re: I don't think it will, but hey...that's a great question
Dec 13, 2019, 3:48 PM
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Brought to you by the kinder, gentler GWP.
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Re: I don't think it will, but hey...that's a great question
Dec 13, 2019, 3:48 PM
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These high power programs have them. We have 0. Is Sweeney hurting our best players chances for the Heisman? Shouldn't he at least let them play into the 4th quarter to help their stats?
Notre Dame 7 Ohio State 7 Oklahoma 7 USC 6 Army 3 Auburn 3 Florida 3 Florida State 3 Michigan 3 Nebraska 3 Alabama 2 Georgia 2 Miami 2 Navy 2 Texas 2 Texas A&M 2 Wisconsin 2
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Re: I don't think it will, but hey...that's a great question
Dec 13, 2019, 3:51 PM
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You are trying too hard. You have to be more subtle. You are blowing it.
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Re: I don't think it will, but hey...that's a great question
Dec 13, 2019, 4:42 PM
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I concur, he stinks as a troll
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Wow, look at you go...another great post!
Dec 13, 2019, 3:58 PM
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So I want you to know that I very carefully considered all of your well-articulated points and I'm sad to have to break this to you, but I'm going to stick with my original answer. But good work and tremendous effort!
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I don’t think i would question Swinney on this
Dec 13, 2019, 4:05 PM
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We might not be the leader in individual awards but we have a team building process that’s like none other.
It would be great to win the Heisman soon but we shouldn’t change our methods. Whatever we are doing is working fine. ??
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Re: Will Clemson not being a "Heisman school" hurt recruiting?
Dec 13, 2019, 3:47 PM
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We are a "Heisman school". He coached here.
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Re: Will Clemson not being a "Heisman school" hurt recruiting?
Dec 13, 2019, 3:48 PM
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When Clemson starts taking kids worried about individual accolades instead of winning or team accolades I will be worried. Until then I couldn't care less if we won one or ten straight as long as we're playing for championships.
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Re: Will Clemson not being a "Heisman school" hurt recruiting?
Dec 13, 2019, 3:54 PM
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You should be worried about not having but 2 trophies in a dusty trophy case, not Clemson’s trophy case. Keep your 1 heisman I’m content with National championships and playoffs.
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Re: Will Clemson not being a "Heisman school" hurt recruiting?
Dec 13, 2019, 4:01 PM
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Absolutely.
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Heisman trophy is a joke Anyway
Dec 13, 2019, 3:54 PM
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What does it matter? It is purely a popularity contest. Maybe they changed the rules lately but i havent cared to check but the Heisman voters use to vote by like week 4
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Re: Will Clemson not being a "Heisman school" hurt recruiting?
Dec 13, 2019, 3:58 PM
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Why do Clemson fans continue to watch firebomb.I can get upset just calling his name.You guys are making his day by talking about what he says etc
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Re: Will Clemson not being a "Heisman school" hurt recruiting?
Dec 13, 2019, 3:59 PM
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Hasn't hurt us up until now. Can't imagine it will hurt much going forward. Why do you even listen to/watch that pinhead?
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Re: Will Clemson not being a "Heisman school" hurt recruiting?
Dec 13, 2019, 4:04 PM
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Says...
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LOL this is such a sad and pathetic troll attempt.***
Dec 13, 2019, 4:23 PM
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Re: Will Clemson not being a "Heisman school" hurt recruiting?
Dec 13, 2019, 4:28 PM
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Good question. Will South Carolina and their only claim to fame being a Heisman winner 40 years ago be enough to ever become a “championship school”?
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Re: Will Clemson not being a "Heisman school" hurt recruiting?
Dec 13, 2019, 4:34 PM
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Allteam - 31% . There you go.
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Re: Will Clemson not being a "Heisman school" hurt recruiting?
Dec 13, 2019, 4:41 PM
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No Way, real fans recognize it as a political beauty contest and it is TEAM success that counts.
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Absolutely.
Dec 13, 2019, 5:54 PM
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Landing five top players from five different states during one recruiting cycle is underachievement for a program like ours. In fact, only three of them came from state with National Championships in the last ten years.
TL came from Georgia a school that hasn't had a NC since Carter was potus.
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Re: Will Clemson not being a "Heisman school" hurt recruiting?
Dec 13, 2019, 6:18 PM
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No...
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Re: Will Clemson not being a "Heisman school" hurt recruiting?
Dec 13, 2019, 6:27 PM
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No. Every player out there realizes that the Heisman affects only one player a year. The ultimate goal is to reach the NFL.
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Re: Will Clemson not being a "Heisman school" hurt recruiting?
Dec 13, 2019, 6:32 PM
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allteamball sure did get quiet, must be watching Women’s B-ball
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Why. Do. Clemson fans. Still. Listen. To. Finebaum?***
Dec 13, 2019, 6:33 PM
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Re: Will Clemson not being a "Heisman school" hurt recruiting?
Dec 13, 2019, 6:51 PM
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No Heisman for Clemson any time soon, no matter how good the athlete. Two seriously deserving, absolutely ignored. Far to much ridiculous anti-Clemson bias precisely because of our success. Do anything necessary to keep Clemson from ever being mentioned. ESECPN calls the shots. Looking forward to trashing BUCKNUTS and LSWHO? but it will be after the fix is in. The fix is always in except on the field. And even then somtimes the fix is in on the field. It is still better to just win. George Rogers, cocaine memo, never even scored on us, and we beat Lamar twice. Go Tigers!
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Re: Will Clemson not being a "Heisman school" hurt recruiting?
Dec 13, 2019, 6:55 PM
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I see it much more as a pro-SEC/BigTen bias rather than anti-Clemson. There may be a few pundits here and there that don't like Clemson, but for the most part, they do respect Clemson overall, just not as much as the top teams in the Big Ten and SEC each year.
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Re: Will Clemson not being a "Heisman school" hurt recruiting?
Dec 13, 2019, 6:53 PM
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IMO, this is an absolutely ridiculous notion. I can't speak for all players, but I would be shocked if there were any players that Clemson would want that would care more about a Heisman than a national championship. I'm sure there are numerous players that want to win a Heisman, but this is a team sport, and we want team players that are focused on the larger goal of winning championships over individual accolades.
If Dabo was absolutely determined to have a Clemson player win a Heisman, I'm confident that we would have one within the next decade. Problem is that it would require him to change his coaching philosophy and leave a QB in the game into the 4th qtr week in and week out to pad the numbers. Trevor Lawrence was on the bench early in the 2nd quarter against Charlotte this year. He could have thrown 4 more TDs that game if he had stayed in.
It's very difficult for a RB to win the award, but Etienne would almost certainly be a finalist in NY if he were given the same number of carries as Jonathan Taylor. Eveb if his average were to go down from 8.2 to mid-7s, he would have well over 2000 yards and 25 TDs. If he had been returning KOs all year instead of only a couple in the past two games, he would have likely scored another TD or two as well.
We would all love it, but only if it were to come as part of our normal strategy. We all want a Clemson player to win the Heisman, and even though championships and Heismans are not mutually exclusive, I'm perfectly happy the way things are going right now.
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it seems to be causing serious problems
Dec 13, 2019, 7:00 PM
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In that area. Heisman is a clown show
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And this my friend is part of the reason ESPN would not show
Dec 13, 2019, 7:02 PM
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heighlights of DW his last year, and why they talked Trevor down this year.
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Tell 'em u6c coot
Dec 14, 2019, 12:15 AM
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