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Just like the NCAA, the ACC is finding out...
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Feb 8, 2024, 12:40 PM
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...that wrongs that they don't redress will be settled in court.
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Re: Just like the NCAA, the ACC is finding out...
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Feb 8, 2024, 12:44 PM
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what wrong is that?
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Nothing is wrong with it.
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Feb 8, 2024, 12:53 PM
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I pointed out that the courts are the place to redress Tre ACC's and NCAA's wrongs.
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Re: Nothing is wrong with it.
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Feb 8, 2024, 12:56 PM
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Yes. And I am asking you what wrongs are those? What has the ACC done wrong?
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Oh God. You probably just invited a load of unrelated grievances***
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Feb 8, 2024, 1:26 PM
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Re: Nothing is wrong with it.
Feb 8, 2024, 1:45 PM
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Stuff like Swoffie stiffing the conference members to give his son's Raycom Sports a sweet $50 million deal.
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Raycom was partners with both the SEC and ACC. SEC aggregated theirs
Feb 8, 2024, 2:01 PM
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sooner and left Raycom because someone else paid them more for it. You (and many on here) insinuate that John Swofford essentially committed fraud (maybe even a crime) for the direct benefit of a child at the expense of the membership. I've never seen anything close, or in the ballpark, showing this actually occurred.
Swofford STILL works at Raycom last I heard.
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Re: Raycom was partners with both the SEC and ACC. SEC aggregated theirs
Feb 8, 2024, 4:01 PM
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Last I heard Raycom went out of business 5 years ago.
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Re: Raycom was partners with both the SEC and ACC. SEC aggregated theirs
Feb 8, 2024, 7:07 PM
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The way I understand it from watching ACC sports from Texas for the last 40 years Raycom was already up to their waist in ACC... so he had to introduce them at a meeting? Sounds like the screwing came from ESPN...still don't understand why FSU is not suing ESPN...they changed the conference payouts after the ACC signed (all of them) the agreement! Truth is I would not pay the ACC as much with half empty stadiums that seat 30K! If FSU had not hired a dud coach and played several lackluster games in an empty stadium maybe the ACC would have gotten more money...might be cool with the brothers to hire Willie T but the fans were not impressed!
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Re: Nothing is wrong with it.
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Feb 8, 2024, 2:05 PM
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Daucusville, where you been all these years! Your last name Swofford?
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Re: Nothing is wrong with it.
Feb 8, 2024, 2:09 PM
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Dacusville, please forgive my mistake on your name! My bad.
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Re: Nothing is wrong with it.
Feb 8, 2024, 3:57 PM
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Its alright. I've been called worse today and by people that love me.
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A league that got had Swoffy locked us into that
Feb 8, 2024, 2:08 PM
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stupid GOR to benefit a relative? The league that has selectively screwed over its members in officiating, scheduling, etc., including it's two biggest money makers Clemson and FSU?
The league that sued FSU for simply threatening to exercise their legal rights, then aided and abetted a bogus NCAA investigation into them in retaliation?
Yeah, that league.
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Is the ACC wrong for expecting signed contracts to be binding?
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Feb 8, 2024, 1:22 PM
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Or was there something else?
It's not the league office's job to make sure the individual members put out a product that is marketable.
FSU has sucked for about a decade before last year. Miami has been pathetic. Fan support across the conference, other than FSU, Clemson, NC State, Virginia Tech and Louisville has been pathetic.
The programs of the ACC have not put together the same level of marketable product as have the SEC and Big Ten. Even if the Big Ten has been impotent, their fan support is better than the ACC average by far.
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Re: Is the ACC wrong for expecting signed contracts to be binding?
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Feb 8, 2024, 1:44 PM
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One of their core allegations is the deal was materially alerted without knowledge or consent. Would that not be problematic? Regardless even if you enter into an agreement and the other party (or parties in this case) operate in bad faith is that not problematic? If you give the conference the right to negotiate on your behalf but they negotiate side deals for Raycom, unbeknownst to the member institutions, is that not problematic? It's been reported that Raycom paid $50 million to ESPN for third tier rights that were not distributed back to the ACC. Also reported that those rights were sold well below market value. While you could defend ESPN seizing any opportunity to strengthen their bottom line, the ACC's job was to protect the member institutions. Reported behavior goes beyond just "bad faith" into actual malfeasance. And if ESPN colluded in anyway - say offering a sweetheart deal to Raycom for some other sacrifice in benefit to the ACC - then they become culpable.
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Re: Is the ACC wrong for expecting signed contracts to be binding?
Feb 8, 2024, 2:25 PM
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This Raycom argument is not accurate. The ACC didn't lose any money over it. This was a syndicate deal, not a rights deal. Back then (circa 2010), ESPN (along with Fox) would syndicate games to regional networks. It was a common practice, and it was done with the games from all conferences, not just the ACC.
The way syndication worked is that ESPN would buy the right from a conference, and then syndicate (i.e. sublicense) those rights to a 3rd party. ESPN always kept that money, not just woth the ACC, but with everybody else. That's because the ACC (or any other conference) already got paid for the rights once. You don't get to sell the same thing twice.
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Re: Is the ACC wrong for expecting signed contracts to be binding?
Feb 8, 2024, 4:05 PM
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Well said. Even so, FSU has contractually agreed to it everytime they took a GOR check from the ACC. Folks can throw up Raycom, Swoffords son, didn't sign the GOR, etc. It doesn't matter. FSU has accepted the deal every time they cashed a check and they've been doing that for years.
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Re: Is the ACC wrong for expecting signed contracts to be binding?
Feb 8, 2024, 4:45 PM
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The launch of the ACC network was supposed to bring ACC programming in house. Any amount a competing interest would pay to license ACC is, at least theoretically, a lower value than what that entity expects to make from it. If a third party was licensed content that could be used on the ACC network, particularly at a reduced amount, then they aren’t acting in the best interest of the member schools.
I’m going off what I’ve read from the legal filings. If FSU is making things up out of whole cloth then they’re going to nowhere and probably hit with punitive damages in the process. But the presumption that “they cashed the check” means they have no recourse or that once you sign a contract you have no recourse is silly.
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Re: Is the ACC wrong for expecting signed contracts to be binding?
Feb 8, 2024, 4:59 PM
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Recourse against what? Lets not kid ourselves. They signed what they perceive to be a bad deal and want to get out of it after agreeing to it for years. Raycom, swafford, etc., are just straw herrings.
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Re: If the ACC broke the contract then they should be sued. If they didn't
Feb 8, 2024, 4:48 PM
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I can 100% agree with that statement. FSU has, via their lawsuits, alleged that they have violated the contract - not just that they aren’t happy and Florida state laws say you have to let us out (though they are saying that too).
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Re: Florida State files motion to dismiss ACC lawsuit (link)...
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Feb 8, 2024, 12:46 PM
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so FSU starts a fight and is upset the ACC is fighting back? Those FSU lawyers must be genius' because I don't understand any of this.
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Re: Florida State files motion to dismiss ACC lawsuit (link)...
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Feb 8, 2024, 12:49 PM
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If you have never followed a legal process the steps can be confusing and often wasteful but still must be followed. Asking for a dismissal is one of the early first steps
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Re: Florida State files motion to dismiss ACC lawsuit (link)...
Feb 8, 2024, 2:08 PM
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so FSU starts a fight and is upset the ACC is fighting back? Those FSU lawyers must be genius' because I don't understand any of this.
According to the article the ACC in fact picked the fight as they filed a suit before Florida St.
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Between your love for Duke and FSU...
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I have no idea how you find time to follow Clemson athletics.
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Re: Florida State files motion to dismiss ACC lawsuit (link)...
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Feb 8, 2024, 12:55 PM
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The "suits" are going to make a killing on this. lol
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Re: Florida State files motion to dismiss ACC lawsuit (link)...
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Feb 8, 2024, 2:38 PM
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Of course they are! No team in the ACC has a leg to stand on...That GOR clause in the contracts is air tight! The schools that want to bail cannot go anywhere or else they would have already!
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TL/dr
Feb 8, 2024, 8:32 PM
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Effects of Our ACC Membership
Feb 8, 2024, 8:52 PM
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So how does this work. Since we are members of the ACC do we get paid if the ACC wins this suit? If FSU ends up successfully suing the ACC, do we have to pay up along with the other conference members?
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