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Goal tending question
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Mar 9, 2024, 8:11 PM
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Please correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t think ball could be touched by any player while ball was above the rim no matter how far ball is away from rim. Regardless of coming down or going up.
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Re: Goal tending question
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Mar 9, 2024, 8:12 PM
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It wasn’t over the cylinder. But I do think it was on the way down.
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Re: Goal tending question
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Mar 9, 2024, 8:13 PM
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Looked like it was over the cylinder. An overhead shot would make that determination much easier though.
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Re: Goal tending question
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Mar 9, 2024, 8:15 PM
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I don’t think it was. Think about the trajectory of the ball and where his hand hit the backboard. His hand was outside the box. I do think there is a pretty strong argument that the ball was on the way down tho.
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It wasn't close.
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Mar 9, 2024, 8:34 PM
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Folks that don't understand the call, I get. It's these people that continue to argue about it that make me laugh.
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Dude... whether you think it was on the way
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Mar 9, 2024, 8:56 PM
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Down or not is one thing... but you have been flat out wrong about the rule. If the ball is going down, it is goal tending. But you said everyone saying that doesnt understand the rule. You are wrong.
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Hes embarrassed and doubling down because
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Mar 9, 2024, 8:58 PM
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It’s tough to admit when you’re wrong in such a public setting.
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Oculus Spirit [77059]
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Stick to Foozeball.
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Mar 10, 2024, 2:01 PM
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Not that you were any good at that either, 😂
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No....Once again, read the rule.
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Mar 10, 2024, 2:01 PM
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The ball wasn't coming down and wasn't over the cylinder. Obed doubled down with pictures where the ball was clearly inches away to the right of the rim after the BLOCK.
Sorry you're so butthurt about being wrong. Others here that understand the rule agree...
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You were saying that it is only hitting the backboard.
Mar 10, 2024, 2:22 PM
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You said that it didnt matter if the ball was coming down. You are wrong. It dies matter if the ball was coming down. Others have said they dont believe the ball was coming down... fine. They were saying that according to the rules, it was not goaltending... you just kept saying people dont understand the rules. You several time said it doesnt matter if the ball was coming down. You do not know the rules. Period.
If you meant that you think the refs followed the rules and the ball wasnt coming down, then say that... but that is not what you said.
Im done with this conversation... either you do not know the rules (and since it was multiple times, this is what i believe), or you do not know how to communicate in english.
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Oculus Spirit [77059]
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Oh boy...
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Mar 10, 2024, 2:29 PM
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I think you need to reread what I wrote as none of it reflected what you just wrote. You just made it up. Nowhere did I say it didn't matter if it was coming down. Just show me one of the several time I said that. I'll wait.
I did say that it was going to hit the backboard before it was blocked, lol! It was! If it had hit the backboard and was then touched it would have been goaltending. Not the case.I can see why you're lying because it helps your narrative. Maybe your reading comprehension is the issue?
It's not my fault you and all the other idiots arguing what they don't understand just had half the rule in mind because it's still them that don't understand the rule, 😂
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Ok... seriously... this is it, but i am going to
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Mar 10, 2024, 3:31 PM
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Link the thread that started you saying that touching the ball on the way down was not the rule.
The original poster said the ball was on the way down.
You said... thats not the rule... you are wrong. That is the rule. Now if you meant that you believe the ball was not on the way down, then say that... but you said the nall on the way down is not the rule.
Again, i am done. Dont even worry about replying because o will not see it... i am just linking it so everyone else can see what you plainly said.
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/thread/that-ball-was-on-the-way-down,-!!!!-2337273
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Lulz. Bloodbetaoranj aint gone like this.
Mar 10, 2024, 3:44 PM
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Rules are different than the church ball league he’s reffing for $25/game.
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That's cute. Cheesy albeit.
Mar 10, 2024, 4:01 PM
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Why? It only confirms my assertions.
I fear that you couldn't make it up the court to blow a goaltending call...
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Yep, definitely your comprehension in question. Confirmed.
Mar 10, 2024, 4:00 PM
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The rule stipulation about the ball traveling down was irrelevant because it wasn't. The ball was outside the cylinder and never touched the backboard. I.e. that's not the rule in question.
Also, did I say it didn't matter or that it wasn't the rule. You've stated both, which is also not true.
You're done, but you continue to argue, 😂 that says a lot about ya.
You posted a link after lying saying I said "many times" that the ball traveling downward wasn't the rule. You not only didn't attempt to think three dimensionally, you lied to bolster your ignorance. If you understood the rule better you would have e understood me the first time instead of getting defensive.
😂 good luck. I'm sure you won't respond anymore, but you have already lied three times so I don't have a lot of faith.
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Lot o points [155978]
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Anyone with eyes can see a part of the ball is over the rim.
Mar 10, 2024, 3:35 PM
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You’re arguing the sky isn’t blue and somehow feeling smug about your stance.
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No, but you're projecting just that.***
Mar 10, 2024, 3:51 PM
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Oh man, the "I know you are but what am I" defense
Mar 10, 2024, 6:02 PM
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I’m stumped.
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Re: Goal tending question
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Mar 9, 2024, 8:12 PM
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Irrelevant when you are fouled on the arm while shooting
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Re: Goal tending question
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Mar 9, 2024, 8:13 PM
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Ball has to be coming down or in the cylinder. The ball had not hit the backboard.
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Re: Goal tending question
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Mar 9, 2024, 8:13 PM
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Ball was in an upward trajectory and had not yet hit the backboard when it was blocked.
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Lot o points [155978]
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It was over the cylinder. We got jobbed on that one.***
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Mar 9, 2024, 8:15 PM
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Re: It was over the cylinder. We got jobbed on that one.***
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Mar 9, 2024, 8:17 PM
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Has to have a downward trajectory for goaltend. It was a correct call.
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Lot o points [155978]
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Yes OR if its over the cylinder extending upwards from the rim
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Mar 9, 2024, 8:19 PM
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Which it was.
Read the rule
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Yes, but not 9 inches to the left or right of center of the
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Mar 9, 2024, 8:37 PM
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Cylinder.
😂 😂
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Re: Yes, but not 9 inches to the left or right of center of the
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Mar 9, 2024, 8:46 PM
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Durr hurrrrrrrr
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Perspective matters.
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Mar 9, 2024, 8:50 PM
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Especially for washed-up fooseball players.
Stick to fooseball, 😂
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Re: Yes, but not 9 inches to the left or right of center of the
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Mar 9, 2024, 8:58 PM
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Still after the block but even in that shot, the ball isn’t in the cylinder. It isn’t like the goal line where it only has to break the plane. The majority of the ball has to be inside the imaginary cylinder that goes above the rim. Only chance that is was goaltending would be if the ball was on the way down, which I still think it was.
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Re: Yes, but not 9 inches to the left or right of center of the
Mar 9, 2024, 10:54 PM
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Any part of the ball in the cylinder that is touched is goaltending.
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Re: Yes, but not 9 inches to the left or right of center of the
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You and a few others understand the rule. If the ball is above the cylinder it is a goal tend ..... this ball was NOT above the cylinder, nor was even a part of the ball. If the ball had hit the backboard, it would have been a goal tend ...... this ball had not. If the ball is on a downward trajectory, whether it is in the cylinder or hit the back board it is a goal tend. I think this ball had reached its apex which means it was on a downward trajectory ..... which would have been a goal tend ..... but that was a judgement call.
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Re: Yes, but not 9 inches to the left or right of center of the
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Uh oh..... Obed® ain't gonna like this...
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Re: Yes, but not 9 inches to the left or right of center of the
Mar 10, 2024, 8:19 AM
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His hand is literally touching the ball right there. Stop being unreasonable.
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lol yes it was***
Mar 9, 2024, 8:19 PM
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Re: Heres your "barely over the square"
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Mar 9, 2024, 8:29 PM
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That picture is after the ball was blocked and the players hand is hitting the backboard. Which clearly proves the ball was blocked before it was over the cylinder because his hand is outside the square and that is where he contacted the ball.
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Glad to take a shot a millisecond beforehand showing the ball in almost the same
Mar 9, 2024, 8:33 PM
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Position of that’s what it’ll take for you to realize you’re wrong.
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Re: Glad to take a shot a millisecond beforehand showing the ball in almost the same
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Mar 9, 2024, 8:35 PM
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The ball isn't in almost the same position when he blocks it. It's well to the right of the rim when he blocks it.
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Interesting. Heres two angles at the point he touches it.
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Mar 9, 2024, 8:42 PM
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If any part of the ball is inside the cylinder, goal tend. Case closed.
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Re: Interesting. Heres two angles at the point he touches it.
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Mar 9, 2024, 8:45 PM
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No. In the second picture, again, that is after he already blocked the ball and his hand is on the backboard.
In the first picture, the ball isn't over the rim.
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Were you wearing gold or black tonight?
Mar 9, 2024, 8:47 PM
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I just took the shot from my own remind. He’s literally touching the ball there. Go find your own replay if you don’t want to believe it. The rest of us know you don’t know what you’re talking about.
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You're so wrong on this bro, lol!
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Mar 9, 2024, 8:49 PM
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And you're not the homer type, which makes this extra cringe!
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Im weird. I believe my eyes.***
Mar 9, 2024, 8:49 PM
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Maybe it's time to question your vision?***
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Mar 9, 2024, 8:51 PM
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I get it. You were wrong and its embarrassing.
Mar 9, 2024, 12:40 AM
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And if you. Weren’t you find a pic showing you were right. But you can’t. Because you’re wrong.
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I've read a lot about narcissist.
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Mar 9, 2024, 8:53 PM
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You aren't my first.
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I believe I wouldnt be your first
Mar 9, 2024, 9:08 PM
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But you didn’t even buy me a drink so don’t get presumptuous.
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Please. Find a pic that proves you correct.
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Mar 9, 2024, 8:57 PM
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Because in both my pics the ball is clearly inside the cylinder.
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Re: Were you wearing gold or black tonight?
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No, in the second picture he is not.
In the first picture, the ball is not over the rim.
It's ridiculous for you to say I'm pulling for Wake Forest just because I said the call was correct. Crying about the referees is what Gamecock fans do.
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Im not crying about referees. Stop projecting
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Mar 9, 2024, 8:59 PM
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We lost the game from crap coaching once again.
I’m saying this was a blown call. It shouldn’t have mattered though as much as it did.
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Re: Heres your "barely over the square"
Mar 9, 2024, 8:32 PM
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As the other poster said, that picture is after the ball was already blocked.
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Re: Goal tending question
Mar 9, 2024, 8:24 PM
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You can block the ball if it is over the rim but not if it is inside the imaginary cyclinder that runs from the basket to the ceiling.
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Bro. Thats the same thing.***
Mar 9, 2024, 8:25 PM
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Re: Bro. Thats the same thing.***
Mar 9, 2024, 8:38 PM
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Here is the OP:
Please correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t think ball could be touched by any player while ball was above the rim no matter how far ball is away from rim. Regardless of coming down or going up.
My answer is you can touch the ball when it is above the rim just not when it’s in the cyclinder.
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Directly above the rim IS THE CYLINDER***
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Mar 9, 2024, 8:43 PM
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Re: Directly above the rim IS THE CYLINDER***
Mar 10, 2024, 12:00 AM
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You normally are reasonable. The op never used the term DIRECTLY over the basket. I was simply answering the op. Then you decided he said something else and defended that.
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Re: Directly above the rim IS THE CYLINDER***
Mar 10, 2024, 8:22 AM
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If you say “I hope a bird doesn’t poop flying over my car”, should we assume you mean directly over your car, or that you mean a half mile away but at an altitude higher than your car? I wasn’t unreasonable, you were unclear with your language.
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Re: Goal tending question
Mar 9, 2024, 8:26 PM
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It has to be off the glass or in the cylinder. It looked to me on the replay that the ball was in the cylinder but the camera angle could be causing parallax error. The officials reviewed it long and hard, so I will assume they made the right call (yes, I chuckled a little when I said that). Either way, it was a huge call and huge factor in the outcome. It led to a 4 point swing.
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Re: Goal tending question
Mar 9, 2024, 8:34 PM
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Yes its the camera angle. Go watch the highlight on ESPN. They show a baseline view on the replay, and the ball is to the right of the rim.
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Re: Goal tending question
Mar 9, 2024, 8:41 PM
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Don't remember who got the ball after the block. If Clemson got the ball then may had another shot. Why not let the play continue before stopping the clock for a review. After the review wake got the ball on alternating possession.
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Re: Goal tending question
Mar 9, 2024, 8:47 PM
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The clock was stopped because originally the play was called A goal tend. That call is what stopped play, not the review
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Re: Goal tending question
Mar 9, 2024, 8:46 PM
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Also, the cylinder is the width of the rim, not the square box on the backboard. I thought I was a good call on the overturn of goaltending. The ball may have reached its apex, but was not on the way down or in the cylinder.
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Re: Referencing the NCAA rule. NOT the NBA rule.
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Mar 9, 2024, 9:57 PM
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Art. 3. Goaltending.
a. Goaltending occurs when a defensive player touches the ball during a fieldgoal try and each of the following conditions is met: (Exceptions: Rule 10-4.1.i)
The ball is on its downward flight; and
The ball is above the level of the ring and has the possibility, while in flight, of entering the basket and is not touching the cylinder. b. It is goaltending to touch the ball outside the cylinder during a free throw, regardless of whether the free throw is on its upward or downward flight. c. When the ball contacts the backboard and any part of the ball is above the rim during a field goal attempt, it is considered to be on its downward flight.In such a case, it is goaltending when the ball is touched by a player as long as it has a possibility of entering the basket.
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Now do basket interference.***
Mar 9, 2024, 10:18 PM
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Re: Now do basket interference.***
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Mar 9, 2024, 10:48 PM
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A2. There you go
Mar 9, 2024, 11:18 PM
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See, you learned something tonight!
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Re: A2. There you go
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Mar 10, 2024, 10:41 AM
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Did you even read the rules? The referee got it right.
You just can't admit when you were wrong, can you.
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Lot o points [155978]
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Are you dense?
Mar 10, 2024, 12:53 PM
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Touching the ball when ANY PART OF IT IS OVER THE CYLINDER. Basket interference. Its crystal clear part of the ball was over the cylinder.
What don’t you understand here? I’ll do my best to explain.
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He's just trolling.
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Mar 10, 2024, 2:09 PM
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Just not very well.
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What i didnt like about the rule is that.....
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Mar 10, 2024, 3:00 PM
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if you block the shot out of bounds, then apparently possession goes to the possession arrow, not against the team who last touched the block shot. That is what killed us in that situation.
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Oculus Spirit [77059]
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Agreed.***
Mar 10, 2024, 3:09 PM
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