Re: I remember the days when going to a bowl

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Re: 300 plus Division I schools play basketball

Oct 17, 2023, 1:48 PM [ in reply to 300 plus Division I schools play basketball ]

I appreciate your reasonable response though I disagree on numerous levels. First, I disagree with the premise that it isn't comparable. I don't believe that just because more teams are designated D1 in basketball that it means they are inherently better in the bottom third of that list than if you were to rank all NCAA DI-III programs. You may also be forgetting that "FCS" is actually Division 1. There are 268 Division 1 football programs. 268 versus 363 probably not the dramatic difference you were imagining. There are 763 total collegiate football programs. Even D3 schools make it into the 80th percentile.

Here's some numbers: https://www.sports-ratings.com/college_football/power-rating-all-divisions.html

Second, even if I compare performance strictly against FBS football and D1 basketball my argument still holds. Morehead State wasn't even the worst loss of the year. Not even the second worst. It was the third worst loss of the year. He lost to NET 228, 269, and 315th worst team. I'm gonna try and give you as favorable a comparison as possible. The college basketball season is 2.4 times longer than so one could argue that whatever we accept in losses in football we should be willing to accept 2.4 times that in basketball. I'm gonna round up these three losses for you by including all three and averaging them. Clemson basketball had a bad loss average of 271 by NCAA Net rankings. The 271 team in division 1 basketball would rank at the 25% percentile. Now, I'm gonna compare that strictly to the 131 teams listed in 2022. That would be the equivalent of the 98th best FCS team. In 2022, that would be 4-8 Navy. This year it would be 3-3 Rice. In the last 5 seasons Clemson football has lost a total of 11 games ranks (1, 1, 3, 5, 6, 8, 12, 17, 22, 30, and 32). The worst loss of Dabo's entire tenure was Syracuse in 2017. They were the 60th best team that year and we still lost. Nearly twice as bad as any loss in the last five years. The equivalent to Brownell's losses last year would be losing to 8-5 Florida International. Dabo's worst loss of his entire tenure was still to a team in the upper half of the 130 FCS teams that year (54th perentile). Brownell lost to a team in the 25th percentile. And he does it all the time.

Third, the standard response to this kind of fact base analysis is a dismissive "college basketball is just like that," "upsets happen in basketball," etc. But I already proved in an earlier post that, relative to his peers in the ACC, Brownell does not lose upset games at a similar pace. His ability to lose to really bad teams is a significant outlier and, once viewing this info, claiming otherwise is just lying.

Clemson under Brad

Average ACC Finish - 7th
Average RPI - 84
Average RPI rank - 10
Average Q3+4 Losses - 3.1
Average Q3+4 Losses Rank - 11

How this measures up against League:

Average RPI for teams finishing 7th - 61
Brownell % over RPI by league finish - 38%
Average Q3+4 Losses by League - 2.6
Brownell % over average Q3+4 losses - 19%
Avg Q3+Q4 by ACC avg Quad 2 teams - 2.3
Brownell % over Q3+4 losses by avg quad 2 teams - 35%
Place Deviation for Q3+4 losses versus ACC rank - -4 (worst in the league)
Place Deviation for RPI versus ACC rank- -3 (tied worst in league)
Average Q3+4 losses by ACC 7th place team (excluding Clemson) - 1
Brownell % over Q3+Q4 losses by ACC Rank - 210%

What we have accustomed ourselves to is not normal.

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that we should win a national championship every year.

Just one. Show us.

To me, it is pretty simple: we pay our head coach more than every other school except for one. We have top 10 recruiting classes every year, sometimes top 5. We have what are considered the best football facilities in the country. We have among the most passionate football fan bases in college football.

We have given Dabo everything he could possibly need or want, as an administration and as a fan base. He has everything in place to win at a high level. We know this because he's done it before.

Does this mean that we are supposed to win it all every year? Of course not. But does it mean that we should be in a position to at least contend for the playoffs on a regular basis? Absolutely. We've missed the playoffs the last two years, and will miss them this year too. That's three years in a row. Not only that, but we have not even finished in the top 10 those years, and won't this year either.

In addition, we are 3-4 in our last 7 games against power 5 opponents.

Do you honestly think that our recent performance is acceptable, given all of the above advantages we have?

I remember the days when going to a bowl

No, it was the second loss that caused all the trouble.

Re: No, it was the second loss that caused all the trouble.

Some of you clowns act like we were Vanderbilt before Dabo

I also remember when beating Duke was a reason

Beating Duke would be a reason to celebrate right now.***

losing to Duke and or Wake has gotten the last two coaches

Re: Some of you clowns act like we were Vanderbilt before Dabo