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We got screwed by our bball schedule this year
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Mar 8, 2023, 10:20 AM
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74Tiger's post started making me think about our schedule this year. I've heard time and time again, our program scheduled a cupcake schedule. Schedules are made ahead of time and there was no way we could have known some of our non conference competition would have had down years.
For our ACC schedule, we only played the top 4 teams (other than us) once. 1 home game and 3 road games. If we had a home and home with all 4, we likely would have been 5-3 against the top 4 teams. Either way it would have given us 4 more quad 1 opportunities, and it would have greatly improved our SOS and NET.
For the non conference, a lot of teams that we scheduled had a great year last year. Nobody could have know they would be so down this year.....
Loyola chicago: went 25-8 last year and went to tourney. They are 10-21 this year
Richmond: they went 24-13 las year and went to tourney. They are 15-17 this year
Bellarmine: went 20-13 last year. Would have been in tourney, but they were not eligible. 15-18 this year
Cal: They didn't have a great year last year, but who would have known they would go 3-28 this year.
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If we hadn't loss to Loyo, Coots and Lewisville
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Mar 8, 2023, 10:26 AM
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we wouldn't be where we are right now.
https://youtu.be/9_kqkZTZYrg
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Re: If we hadn't loss to Loyo, Coots and Lewisville
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Mar 8, 2023, 10:43 AM
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Teams lose. Some nights are not as good as others.
1. Clemson lost to uscjr in first week or so of the season.
- Lost by 2 points on the road.
- We shot bad from FTs 5 of 9. But we became one of the best FT shooting teams in the conference if not nation.
This site says we are 4th in the nation - https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/team/150
2. Lost to Loyo on December 10th. Shot poorly. 13% from 3PT.
We became a 36.86% Team from 3PT. 46th in the nation.
Loyola Chicago goes on to shoot 33.43% as a team. Vs Clemson they shot 50%.
3. After that loss, Lousiville was a bad one. We shot like dogcrap from 3s and kept shooting from out there.
4. Lost to BC, but they beat UVA and are playing much better than they did early in season. Aka they are better than their record.
So yes, if we had not lost to Gamecocks, Loyola Chicago and Louisville, we would be fine.
I think what stinks this year is the ludicrous NET stat. It is not accurate and makes no sense. That is the sad part of this year. Anyother year, Clemson would already be seen as in the field of 64 as A 3RD seed in ACC, 14-6 in the conference, 21-9 overall, 15-1 at home.
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Re: If we hadn't loss to Loyo, Coots and Lewisville
Mar 8, 2023, 10:46 AM
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How does the NET not make sense? We have 4 Q3/Q4 losses and an abysmal schedule...where do you think our NET should be?
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Re: If we hadn't loss to Loyo, Coots and Lewisville
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Mar 8, 2023, 1:12 PM
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Imagine if the coach adjusted during the game to not shooting 3s well.
Maybe throwing the ball in to our All ACC players?
Maybe trying to get to the foul line?
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Schedules aren't made years in advance. Games are normally set a year out***
Mar 8, 2023, 10:37 AM
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Re: Schedules aren't made years in advance. Games are normally set a year out***
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Mar 8, 2023, 10:48 AM
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Correct. And if you look at the teams in our OOC schedule, a lot of them had great years last year and went to the tourney.
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Re: Schedules aren't made years in advance. Games are normally set a year out***
Mar 8, 2023, 10:53 AM
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"A lot"? Looks like you found 2.
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Re: Schedules aren't made years in advance. Games are normally set a year out***
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Mar 8, 2023, 11:05 AM
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Looks like you apparently can't read. I listed 3 OOC teams in the OP that had substantially better records last year. I also listed cal who only won 3 games this year: they weren't great last year, but won more than 3 games.
We played 7 games against non power 5 opponents. 3 of them were tourney teams last year. Towson was a nit team (having a good year this year).
If you think we intentionally scheduled bad mid majors, then you are clueless.
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Re: Schedules aren't made years in advance. Games are normally set a year out***
Mar 8, 2023, 11:19 AM
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What? You said "A lot of teams went to the tourney last year". Then you listed 2 that actually did.
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Re: We got screwed by our bball schedule this year
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Mar 8, 2023, 10:38 AM
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There should be a rotflmao emoji to go along with TU's and TD's. We would've won more games if we played better teams at the top? You Brown-L cultists will change your narrative to prop a mediocre coach up no matter what.
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Re: We got screwed by our bball schedule this year
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Mar 8, 2023, 10:59 AM
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Are you dumb, or just ignorant......
We played the 4 top teams in the ACC. 3 on the road and 1 at home. We went 2-2
If we would have played them each twice, we would have had another 4 total games. With 3 of them at home, and one of the em on the road.
Don't you think we would have performed equally if not better if we played those 4 teams, but 3 at home and one on the road?
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Re: We got screwed by our bball schedule this year
Mar 8, 2023, 11:09 AM
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Given the history of our coach....nope. You might want to stop breaking TNet rules, it got me a 12 week ban.
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Re: We got screwed by our bball schedule this year
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Mar 8, 2023, 11:13 AM
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So you are saying if we played the same exact teams, but at home, we would have a worse record because of Brad. Lmao. Wow. Talk about Brad derangement syndrome.
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Re: We got screwed by our bball schedule this year
Mar 8, 2023, 11:05 AM
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I think what he is alluding to is the way NET calculates where losing to better teams is more advantageous in the scoring than beating cupcakes. West Virginia is a good example. They are 18-13 overall and 7-11 in the conference but they are probably going to make the NCAAT with ease. They currently have a NET score of 23.
Of course, losing to some of your cupcakes is an absolute killer as we are finding out.
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Re: We got screwed by our bball schedule this year
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Mar 8, 2023, 10:40 AM
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Lol I like how you reference Loyola Chicago as having a down year but omit the fact they beat us. And it wasn't a close game.
Maybe it's a good thing so many teams were down...I'm not sure we would have beat them if they weren't.
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Re: We got screwed by our bball schedule this year
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Mar 8, 2023, 10:57 AM
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Well we have a good record vs quad 1 teams, so I'm not sure you are correct.
We weren't going to beat many teams with the way we shot that night. Couple that with the fact that Loyola shot out of their mind, it's easy to see why we lost. They were a tourney team last year. Would have been nice if they were say a quad 2 or 3 team when they beat us. Would have helped out a lot.
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Re: We got screwed by our bball schedule this year
Mar 8, 2023, 11:00 AM
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It doesn't matter what quad a team is in when they beat you. It matters where they finish.
We are not good away from Littlejohn. Playing more Q1 teams on the road would not have been a recipe for wins.
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Re: We got screwed by our bball schedule this year
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Mar 8, 2023, 11:08 AM
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Who said that we would be playing more quad 1 teams in the road?
Do you know how to read?
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Re: We got screwed by our bball schedule this year
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Mar 8, 2023, 11:21 AM
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You did. Clearly. When referencing how much better our schedule, and record, would have been if we played home-and-home with the top ACC teams.
I like how people quote your own words back to you and you question their ability to read. Do you have short term memory loss or something?
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We will be out because of bad losses, that's all***
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That’s it!!
Mar 8, 2023, 10:41 AM
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Re: We got screwed by our bball schedule this year
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Mar 8, 2023, 10:44 AM
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College basketball has become a minefield. With transfers and "one and done's" you never know who you're gonna play against. That being said Clemson traditionally (and intentionally) scheduled weaker teams in November and December. How many times have we been something like 18-2 only to finish the season barely above or below .500?
But what does scheduling The Citadel, SC Upstate, Ballarmine, Loyola MD, Towson and Richmond (all wins for the Tigers this season) tell you about your team? Absolutely nothing. It's a scrimmage. Maybe find you who can do what. Maybe give your bench some playing time. Does it mean your starting five can hold their own against quad 1 teams consistently? who knows? Toughen up the schedule. Losing to Iowa or Virginia is no sin. We may get more out of a loss or two than we do from beating inferior talent.
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Re: We got screwed by our bball schedule this year
Mar 8, 2023, 10:50 AM
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Towson is a good mid major. Richmond went to the tournament last year. Bellarmine would have gone to the tournament last year he they been eligible.
So yeah, mid majors that are tourney teams tell you a lot about your team. Every team schedules them.
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Re: We got screwed by our bball schedule this year
Mar 8, 2023, 11:08 AM
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You're right. I just checked my theory against Duke's Nov-Dec. Looks pretty similar other than Kansas, Xavier, Purdue, Ohio St, Iowa and Oregon St. They did play SC Upstate and Bellarmine as well. But I hope you understand my point. We pad the schedule in Nov-Dec to get wins that we traditionally won't get the rest of the way. This year it bit us in the rear end.
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Losing KJ early really set us back.***
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Mar 8, 2023, 10:48 AM
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Is that on Graham Neff or Brad Brownell?
Mar 8, 2023, 10:49 AM
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Isn't the coach heavily involved in choosing the opponents?
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Re: Is that on Graham Neff or Brad Brownell?
Mar 8, 2023, 10:50 AM
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I'm not quite sure. Probably collaborative.
Before the season, our non conference schedule did not look abysmal,
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Re: We got screwed by our bball schedule this year
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Mar 8, 2023, 10:50 AM
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We didn’t get screwed by a bad schedule. We screwed ourselves by losing to 4 of the worst teams on it. HTH. But keep posting. You sure to come up with something valid someday.
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Most of these people aren't interested in being reasonable.
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Mar 8, 2023, 11:25 AM
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They've made their minds up and are content to criticize our program for not scheduling all quad 1 opponents while griping about bad losses and how horrible we are.
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Re: Most of these people aren't interested in being reasonable.
Mar 8, 2023, 12:44 PM
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You are close JK but you apologists still don’t quite have it figured out.
What part’s of the replies to the original OP is incorrect?
Fact is we do and always do schedule cupcakes early in the year except when Barnes was here. Our record is great, fans are hyped, hit what was a tougher ACC schedule and bam the next thing you know we are in the NIT.
Only difference this year we had a good to great record against a down ACC and we are still on the outside looking in.
None of this is overcomplicated.
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Re: Most of these people aren't interested in being reasonable.
Mar 8, 2023, 2:15 PM
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Everybody plays cupcakes.
Half of our non power 5 cupcakes this year were ncaa or nit teams last year.
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Re: Most of these people aren't interested in being reasonable.
Mar 8, 2023, 1:20 PM
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How many seasons is it “reasonable” to develop an unfavorable opinion of a coach? I’m guessing never if that opinion differs from yours.
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Got anymore straws to grasp at?***
Mar 8, 2023, 1:15 PM
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Fire the scheduler.***
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Mar 8, 2023, 2:18 PM
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Worst part of our schedule was crapping the bed vs
Mar 8, 2023, 3:47 PM
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Loyola and Louisville. Kind of silly to whine about an easy schedule where we lost easy games.
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