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Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 8, 2024, 2:28 PM
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but religion leaves you confused on whether we can have sex slaves?
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 8, 2024, 2:49 PM
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Who is confused about owning a sex slave?
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 8, 2024, 3:05 PM
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Let's run a test:
"17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."
Do you think this is wrong?
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 8, 2024, 5:41 PM
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That wasn't the point you made. You suggested religion left people confused regarding sex slaves. I'm curious who you're talking about. I ask who is confused about this? Who do you know, religious or non-religious, who has suggested to you they've had an internal struggle on whether it's okay to own a sex slave?
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 8, 2024, 5:44 PM
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Dawg, if you aren't caught up, this message isn't for you. No biggie.
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 8, 2024, 5:56 PM
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I don't know to what degree I am or or not "caught up." I do see that you seem to require quite a bit of people here. You routinely ask people here to defend their positions and offer evidence for their beliefs or faith. In this case you've suggested that something within religion has confused people about this particular issue. This isn't some ongoing debate within the church, like infant baptism or transubstantation of the elements of communion. I'm unaware of any confusion or debate among denominations about sex slaves. I'm curious about how you arrived at this conclusion.
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 8, 2024, 6:06 PM
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lol, this is literally a post in response to other posts, you are simply not caught up is all i'm saying.
I'm not going to rehash it all here, go read the other threads about slavery if you actually want to know.
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 8, 2024, 9:05 PM
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I'm plenty caught up. This isn't about a bible verse or even what I think. It's about you making a claim that religion confuses people about this specific issue. If I or anyone else posted "the disciples saw the risen Christ," or "God flooded the earth," or "Jonah lived in the belly of the fish," you would be here demanding "proof." I ask you for an example ("evidence" you might call it) of just one person you know of who is confused about this issue and you can't.
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 8, 2024, 9:21 PM
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Let's find out:
17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Is this morally wrong?
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 9, 2024, 3:38 PM
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You can deflect all you want. I'd like your evidence that religion confuses people about this. (You're big on evidence, after all).
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
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Apr 9, 2024, 5:50 PM
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You’re unwillingness to answer the question is the confusion i’m talking about.
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 13, 2024, 7:00 AM
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I'm not an Old Testament scholar or theologian so I can't parse this. I suppose if I were in fact confused by the issue of sex slavery (as you suggest) I could jump to some commentary which might shed light on it. Then, I could offer you what some expert said about it, but we both know you'd reject that. Fortunately, I'm not confused by this verse. I don't read it and begin to question whether I or someone else should have a sex slave. I don't know anyone who is confused by this - and neither do you. Rather than just owning the fact that you posted something with zero evidence to support it (you're a big evidence guy, remember?) you want to suggest that someone who doesn't offer an explanation for the verse or cannot offer an explantion you'll accept must be confused by it.
I won't hold my breath waiting on your verifiable evidence that this verse has introduced confusion among Believers.
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 13, 2024, 7:45 AM
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This confusion is evident right here: you won't call a spade a spade.
>I don't read it and begin to question whether I or someone else should have a sex slave.
You are also confused on what my post even said, not surprising though.
>Rather than just owning the fact that you posted something with zero evidence to support it
You just posted more evidence of the confusion, thanks for playing.
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 13, 2024, 8:17 AM
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What I'm confused about, at this point, is what you're even talking about. You're free to suggest I'm confused about your post, just lack understanding, or are somehow lacking in knowledge. What you're clearly not going to do - because you can't - is provide any evidence this verse has confused anyone (except maybe you).
Since this is going nowhere, I'm checking out. You're free to take the last shot.
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 13, 2024, 8:41 AM
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>What I'm confused about, at this point, is what you're even talking about.
Yes, this is obvious.
>What you're clearly not going to do - because you can't - is provide any evidence this verse has confused anyone (except maybe you).
You have already provided this evidence, you won't say that the bible clearly says what it says.
>Since this is going nowhere, I'm checking out. You're free to take the last shot.
I'm aware this is how you guys operate. I point out something obvious, you get mad, and leave. I would too, I get it.
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 13, 2024, 9:12 AM
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Okay, so I'm not done....
I'm not mad. I just realize this is pointless. Just like exchanges you have with people about belief and faith. At some point, somone has to realize the exchange is at a dead end.
The bible says what it says. I can't explain it all but that doesn't leave me confused. This is the best I can do. Now, I could ask for your "eveidence" but we know there that leads. So, I'll quit (for certain this time) and you can think of this as yet another example of how your wisdom and wit exposed the anger or fear of others.
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 13, 2024, 9:17 AM
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You keep asking me for something i already provided.
I said that you won’t say what the bible clearly says. That it, that’s the whole conversation.
I agree we can end it here
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 13, 2024, 8:14 AM
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basically, dawg, when the bible says something you like, it says what it says. When it clearly says to kill everyone except the virgin girls and keep them for yourself, suddenly, your confused and need a theologian to tell the skeptic what it actually means.
THAT is the confusion i'm talking about. I don't think you are confused on whether you should own a sex slave.
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 9, 2024, 4:52 PM
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This passage is not written as a set of moral laws. It is what the Israelite army was commanded by their leader to do in bible. Yes he attributed it to god. A lot of people attribute things to god.
The Israelites had been slaves in Egypt, escaped, and then were preyed on by the surrounding nations. When they grew strong enough they wiped some of them out. That's how the story goes anyway. Can you blame them?
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 9, 2024, 5:52 PM
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Can i blame them for taking sex slaves?
Yes, Indeed i can. Like i said, look how morally confused you are about this.
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 9, 2024, 6:04 PM
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Where does it say anything about sex slaves?
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 9, 2024, 6:09 PM
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What would you need to keep virgin girls for your self for dog?
Or are you seriously saying they are just going to give them a better life?
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 9, 2024, 6:34 PM
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Are those the only two options? Sex slave or better life?
I thought you were just going by what it literally said? Now you’re making it say what you want.
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 9, 2024, 6:35 PM
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But yes that’s exactly what the Israelites were commanded to do. Treat them as their own. You keep ignoring that passage.
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 9, 2024, 7:08 PM
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Quote it
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 9, 2024, 7:14 PM
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That’s been done multiple times. You should know it anyway since you know so much about the book of Leviticus and the Israelite culture.
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 9, 2024, 7:14 PM
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That’s what I thought
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 9, 2024, 7:19 PM
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Maybe one day you'll learn to read.
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 9, 2024, 7:21 PM
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So you can’t quote it because you are wrong.
Classic
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 9, 2024, 7:25 PM
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The verse has been quoted multiple times in multiple threads.
But I know you don't actually read responses.
You just have these automatic replies locked and loaded.
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 9, 2024, 7:27 PM
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Look, your new found interest in me is flattering but you are now being dishonest and are quite frankly, terrible at this.
Again, enjoy your moral confusion.
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 9, 2024, 7:36 PM
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I’m just giving you exactly what you want. You just didn’t expect it to come from me.
What am I being dishonest about? That the Israelites were commanded, in the same book by the same person you are quoting, to treat foreigners like they want to be treated? Do I really have to go copy and paste that for you again?
We both know what you did here. You took one verse out of context and tried to bash an entire demographic of people based on it. And when I simply pointed out an alternate view point you acted like a #######.
Bravo sir. Carry on…
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 9, 2024, 7:40 PM
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It's so bad, lol
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 9, 2024, 6:54 PM
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And that automatically equals sex slave?
Now I’m laughing.
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 9, 2024, 7:04 PM
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Does taking virgins for yourself “automatically” mean sex slave? Lol yes it does.
What are you saying it means?
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 9, 2024, 7:09 PM
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I didn’t write it and I didn’t live in 2000 BC so I don’t know, but I do know it says nothing about turning these girls into sex slaves. You made that part up.
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 9, 2024, 7:11 PM
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It literally says take the virgin girls for yourself
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 9, 2024, 7:19 PM
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But it doesn't say anything about sex slaves. You lose.
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 9, 2024, 7:26 PM
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When did you become a dishonest interlocutor?
What happened?
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 9, 2024, 6:12 PM
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You don’t have to be religious to be confused darling, i can se how that’s confusing
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 8, 2024, 7:00 PM
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It's interesting then how you won't condemn it.
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 8, 2024, 7:31 PM
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Isn't that a given.
It's interesting how you haven't condemned murder...der herp.
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 8, 2024, 7:32 PM
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I’m not telling you to listen to a book that condones murder. Yours does both
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Re: Isn't it neat how science can tell you the precise position of planetary objects
Apr 8, 2024, 7:01 PM
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Let's find out:
17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Is this morally wrong?
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Science also "taught" us that Covid came from bat soup
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Apr 8, 2024, 2:49 PM
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so I wouldn't get too haughty.
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^^^POTD^^^***
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Then you should have no problem getting crypt keeper re-elected.***
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Re: Then you should have no problem getting crypt keeper re-elected.***
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If you put someone who tried to overturn an election on the ballot he will
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but we can't cure the common cold.***
Apr 8, 2024, 2:50 PM
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Re: but we can't cure the common cold.***
Apr 8, 2024, 3:08 PM
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I mean, prayer doesn't cure anything so... i'll stick with science.
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Re: but we can't cure the common cold.***
Apr 8, 2024, 5:59 PM
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Well, it hasn't worked on you yet... but I'm certain some are still trying.
Fight it, fight it, fight it!
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Re: but we can't cure the common cold.***
Apr 8, 2024, 6:09 PM
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It actualy simply doesn't work:
how do I know?
7Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and the door will be opened to you. 8For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.
I did as described, I asked, sought and nothing was found and no door was opened. So, clearly not true.
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Re: but we can't cure the common cold.***
Apr 8, 2024, 8:57 PM
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I don't believe you. I think you are just making all that up, that you have followed anything the bible teaches. Prove me wrong.
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Re: but we can't cure the common cold.***
Apr 8, 2024, 9:53 PM
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Lol, wow.
Showing your true colors, but not surprising.
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Re: but we can't cure the common cold.***
Apr 8, 2024, 10:22 PM
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It was a test. You passed with flying colors.
lol
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Re: but we can't cure the common cold.***
Apr 9, 2024, 6:12 AM
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Like i said, not surprising
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I was a sex slave for ~30 years.
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I'd say anyone who picks the right woman can join the club.
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I love evangelical atheists.***
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Re: I love evangelical atheists.***
Apr 8, 2024, 7:06 PM
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You notice you don't call any of the pubs or dems evangelicals in the politics forums, including yours truly, this is just something religious people do when you talk about religion.
IT's pretty funny actually
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Their faith is shames the most devout Christian.
Apr 9, 2024, 6:33 AM
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It's about equal to those who flew planes into the towers.
I wonder if they'd die before denouncing their faith in nothing? Maybe someday they will get the chance to testify of their confidence in their intellect to some supreme being.
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Re: Their faith is shames the most devout Christian.
Apr 9, 2024, 7:10 AM
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lol, science says "the moon will eclipse the sun on this date decades into the future" and lo and behold it does.
It looks like science actually shows up. It requires 0 faith, it has evidence of it's predictive power.
It's how we are communicating right now.
Religion is people like you just claiming things and then nothing happens.
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