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My 2 cents on all the Brad angst now that the regular season is over
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Mar 11, 2023, 7:36 AM
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He will not be fired. If he leaves it will be of his own accord. If he stays he will be extended but the buyout will remain manageable.
I think we somehow squeak into the First Four round of the tourney. The ACC is going to be doing some heavy lobbying to keep a top 4 seed in the league from missing the tourney two straight years.
The ACC is a shell of its former self. This is the first year in my memory which goes back 50 years that we have not played a single, top 10 team in a year. We had zero marquee wins this year because of this.
The non-con schedule wound up being a nightmare for us. On paper, heading into the year, it didn't look bad. Not great, but certainly not in the 300's SOS. Aside from Iowa and Penn St, the Power 5 teams we played wound up horrible, and we lost to one in the coots. The mid majors who looked to be decent, Loyola, Richmond, Bellarmine, Towson, all floundered except Towson and we of course lost to Loyola.
The loss at Louisville was the worst loss in Brad's tenure here and is the main reason we're on the bubble.
If, and it is an if, Chase, Hemenway and PJ all return, which they are all able to do, we should be considered a tourney team entering next season.
Sunday is going to be interesting
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Re: My 2 cents on all the Brad angst now that the regular season is over
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Mar 11, 2023, 7:47 AM
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I think your reasoning is solid.
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Re: My 2 cents on all the Brad angst now that the regular season is over
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Mar 11, 2023, 7:53 AM
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Neff never said NCAA's or bust
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Mar 11, 2023, 7:57 AM
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he said the goal was to return. He left himself some leeway, as any smart exec does.
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Re: Neff never said NCAA's or bust
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Pretty hard to outright fire a Clemson basketball coach
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after 23 wins and a top 3 ACC finish, even in an abysmal year in the ACC. Sunday determines whether it truly is NCAA or bust for next year.
If everyone who can return does return, I actually like next year's team alot.
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Re: Pretty hard to outright fire a Clemson basketball coach
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Per usual, in an attempt to save his own hide, Brad puts the administration in a terrible position. You look crazy firing a coach who won 23 games and finished third in the conference. But not making the NCAA tournament, smacks of just more of the same old crap year after year. It's a no-win situation
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Cannot disagree***
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Mar 11, 2023, 9:15 AM
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Re: Pretty hard to outright fire a Clemson basketball coach
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Mar 11, 2023, 10:53 AM
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Even though I’m not a Brad fan anymore as he reminds me too much of T Bowden, it is almost impossible to let him go based on this years body of work. This is the T Bowden affect. Do just enough at the right time to get one more year. I can’t understand how we can beat a good team by 20 and then get beat by a good team by 20. I thought it was already announced that Brad would be back regardless of the NC State game. Of course that turned out in our favor.
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57th in the NET and similar about everwhere
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Mar 11, 2023, 11:55 AM
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This is the what 3rd actually equates to.
I do believe it's tournament or bust. It's not based on record, which is put in context by a 300's OOC SOS and too many bad losses.
Well see. There's certainly a chance we get it, but if we don't I'm afraid it will be over for Mr. Brownell.
Think about this too. I think the majority of the fanbase is ready for a change. Would the fans go nuts if we extended Brad? I think there'd be some anger at that amongst many fans, and that matters.
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It's all about the buyout if he's back next year
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Mar 11, 2023, 12:15 PM
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length of contract is meaningless. Every argument you make is valid, but Clemson is simply not going to just fire a basketball coach who won 23 games and finished third in the league. It's just not happening
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Re: Pretty hard to outright fire a Clemson basketball coach
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At face value, it would seem hard to fire a coach that won 23 games and finished top 3 in the ACC.
The flip side of the same coin is the tourney committee is going to look at that same 23 wins and top 3 ACC finish and say it was so easy to accomplish you do not deserve to even make the NCAA tourney.
Is the record and finish in the ACC so impressive it warrants another year for the coach when the tourney committee basically says it wasn’t something notable?
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That is the reality***
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Mar 11, 2023, 10:31 AM
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Re: That is the reality***
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Mar 11, 2023, 10:56 AM
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Maybe the reality of the administration but not of much of the fan base. I know many Clemson fans that have tuned out MBB because if that attitude.
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I don't think Neff will settle for that.
Mar 11, 2023, 11:57 AM
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Time to win something of substance.
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Re: My 2 cents on all the Brad angst now that the regular season is over
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Good synopsis. This season like so many are about being ready to compete each game. The Tigers picked some terrible times to not show up and last night was the absolute worst time. They got everyone’s attention about being a tournament worthy team Thursday night then 24hrs later reminded the committee why they shouldn’t go against the 3 decades of precedent with regards to their SOS. A 8-10 point loss that was competitive in the second half probably would have been accepted but not what we saw last night. It’s off to the National Irrelevant Tournament for the Tigers.
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Re: My 2 cents on all the Brad angst now that the regular season is over
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Agree. I believe a close lost would have gotten us in. A blow out gives no one a reason to stick their neck out for us. In reality I can’t blame them. Last night we did not look like we belong. A great coach would have not lost to Louisville, Chicago of Loyola, and to SC. We win those then we in. In my opinion we will never get on top with Brad. He like T Bowden just does not have it.
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Re: My 2 cents on all the Brad angst now that the regular season is over
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Very nice post. If the Committee made up their mind during or after the NC State, we may slip in but sadly, last night's game may just confirm what they have heard all year from the "experts". Middle to bottom the ACC was not as good as usual. UVA is a very good team and have a chance to have a deep run in the NCAA. Duke has amazing talent and tonight's game should be a good one and without Vander Plas, UVA will be hard pressed to stop Duke inside.
We had a great year and I have no idea what PJ and Hunter will do but recent history says they are gone. It would not be a good look for the school at all to fire Brownell, but who knows. Whoever the coach is, portal guys have to be found.
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If they leave its via transfer as neither are NBA players
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Mar 11, 2023, 8:07 AM
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at this point. That would look worse than not making the tourney. I personally think both, and Hemenway, return
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Re: If they leave its via transfer as neither are NBA players
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I agree with this 100%. I also think Dillon Hunter makes a huge leap next year and could be the PG that we really need. He has unbelievable speed and you can see the ball skills, just needs to come together in the off-season.
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Re: If they leave its via transfer as neither are NBA players
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Beadle will not help until his JR and SR year but will probably bolt for another team thinking he is a superstar.
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Re: My 2 cents on all the Brad angst now that the regular season is over
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Very nice post. If the Committee made up their mind during or after the NC State, we may slip in but sadly, last night's game may just confirm what they have heard all year from the "experts". Middle to bottom the ACC was not as good as usual. UVA is a very good team and have a chance to have a deep run in the NCAA. Duke has amazing talent and tonight's game should be a good one and without Vander Plas, UVA will be hard pressed to stop Duke inside.
We had a great year and I have no idea what PJ and Hunter will do but recent history says they are gone. It would not be a good look for the school at all to fire Brownell, but who knows. Whoever the coach is, portal guys have to be found.
I think Chase would like to play another year with his brother. PJ’s a Clemson guy. I never sensed he would transfer and no way he goes pro. He needs a healthy year to improve his game further. From what I’ve read from a Clemson beat writer recently, the risk of losing Hall is linked to firing Brownell. This core of players is solid. Tyson and Galloway will need to be replaced with transfer portal talent to come back stronger next season. I think transfers out would be more likely Beadle and maybe one of the freshman, but I thought Brownell brought them along enough for them to want to stay. However, you never know with freshman.
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Re: My 2 cents on all the Brad angst now that the regular season is over
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That was a very good, rational post.
If this was one of Brad's best teams in 13 years, then we can do better.
I don't mind us losing a few, but it's THE WAY WE LOSE.
If this is Brad's best, then it's not good enough.
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It's not his best team
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Mar 11, 2023, 8:38 AM
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the Sweet 16 team was. And that was without Grantham for that run.
Mitchell = Hunter
Reed > Galloway
Devoe > Shieffelin
Grantham = Tyson
Thomas = PJ albeit different skill sets
Simms better than anyone off our bench this year.
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And the following year Clemson was a sure NC2A team...
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Mar 11, 2023, 8:51 AM
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returning 4 of the starters that went dancing.
So much for next year[s]?
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I appreciate those who are defending CBB
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but we are not going to be anything like the program we hope to be under his coaching.
If 13 years isn't enough time to see that then I don't know what to tell you.
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I'm not necessarily defending him
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just don't see how we can fire him after a 23 win season. Not unless we are going to double what we pay a coach and bring in a true stud. We both know if he were fired, we'd get an up and coming mid-major guy. Other than Barnes, that's what we've always done, going back to Tates. There are some guys who'd intrigue me; Kelsey, Richey, both local. And if you knew you could steal Shaka from Marquette that should be a no brainer, but......why would he leave Marquette at this point?
And as trite as it may sound, if all return, I really do like next years team. Will have talent, depth and experience.
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Re: I appreciate those who are defending CBB
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You are exactly right. There are many who cannot see the forest because of the trees when it comes to Clemson basketball. Brownell does just enough to save his skin every season. He is the teflon coach. No other program wants him. Clemson is absolutely stuck. There are the highs like thrashing NC State in the ACCT. Then the lows of not even being competitive last night. Beat Duke, lose to Louisville. I have had/seen enough. If you want more roller coaster play and that averages out to mediocrity, keep Brownell. Clemson probably will.
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Should have been
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Mar 11, 2023, 9:14 AM
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Mitchell battling his knee all year killed us as we didn't have a PG apart from him. This team heading into next year if all return has far more depth. We'll see. Still, Clemson isn't firing Brad, you know that, not off a 23 win season, even if we don't make the dance. Next year? He'd absolutely have to make it if he doesn't this year, which is why he'll have a manageable buyout. If all return, can you name a year he's had more depth and talent returning if all return? I can't
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If this team, in a historically bad ACC, can not manage...
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Mar 11, 2023, 9:35 AM
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the NC2A with 23 wins because of the horrendous losses, then he should be.
Absolutely, without hesitation and for the general good of the program.
Those wins would mean nothing. Nothing. Is not the goal of the program to participate in the NC2A? Wasn't that part of Graham's message to Clemson?
It would be 3 in 13[2 in 12 Brad's]. That's the resume, that's his legacy. It is painful or should be and the why you move on, not because you place hope on a maybe next year is different.
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Re: If this team, in a historically bad ACC, can not manage...
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We'll be just like Gamecocks. Wait til next season!!
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Sadly, that comparison is apt
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Mar 11, 2023, 10:37 AM
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for Clemson basketball
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I never saw this team winning 23 games
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prior to the season. Never in my wildest dreams saw Hunter Tyson as a first team, All-ACC player. I get it. I've been just where you are for a while now, thinking Brad has run his course here. But we all know he isn't being canned after this season. Conference wise, as bad as the ACC is, we just had one of the best historical seasons we've ever had. We aren't firing him after that.
And though things could collapse next year, the foundation returning, if all return, is as good as he's ever had off of one of his better years. We aren't firing him with that outlook.
Like it or not, it's where we are.
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I know you didn't, I appreciate you bringing it up...
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Mar 11, 2023, 10:46 AM
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because I wouldn't have. I know how you downplayed this team coming into the season. I don't have nearly the feel good about next year that you seem to have as Hunter Tyson will be gone. He is what makes this team go.
You keep bringing up 23 wins. They have no value. Brad has no win goal. None. They do not mean a thing until invitations are in the mail. By Sunday night a third party will determine the specific value of this season.
NIT and he is gone. That will be the specific value of 23 wins versus a horrendous schedule. If Brad is not gone in that scenario, then the Administration has again failed this program and that should be addressed.
It might not be easy, but it is right. $3,000,000.00 per year should mean more. It's egregious that to this point it has not.
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I do get that
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Mar 11, 2023, 10:59 AM
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just do not realistically see it happening. Tyson was incredible this year, but PJ is still our most talented guy since Booker. Hunter you would think would be better in year 2 as a PG than in his first year ever as a PG. Ther freshmen have actual talent. Shieff has shown himself to be a versatile glue type guy, the type all good teams have.
We could implode, but under Brad, we've never had that type core regarding skill, depth and experience returning, even after the Sweet 16 run.
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Next year and the maybe that comes with it...
Mar 11, 2023, 11:15 AM
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is not more important or carry more weight than the specific value measured and provided by the 13 years prior.
There is not a more earnest assessment than those specific values. That is where the decision will and should rest. The Brad is a Good Guy is meaningful, it is, but Vickery Hall, Clemson University, people, Admin. & Academia do as much if not more toward that end than Brad. Brad has been gifted the greatest University that Clemson has ever been and that's not close.
Not sure anyone should put much faith in this team's resume, but maybe the committee will provide a pleasant surprise.
I've some running to do. Have a great day, striperfan. Be well.
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Re: I do get that
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None of this conversation is weighing the precarious situation Brownell’s contract is in. There are only 3 years left after this season. It is considered unconventional to even go into a season with only 4 since the signing period for basketball is so early. We only have 1 commit for next year 2023 and 0 commits for 2024 (early signing day is in less than 7 months). We’re asking a 2024 signee to commit to a coach who would have 2 years left on their contract (under present terms) when they enroll. Conventional thinking says he has to be extended or let go. But Brownell has no economic incentive to accept any extension that reduces his buyout. Why work for another year when you can be paid more to leave and go find another job. And if we fire him he can go to work elsewhere and collect a new check immediately. Because Neff wouldn’t pull the trigger last year (when the per year cost of the buyout was cheaper) Brownell has him over a barrel.
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Well, for one, unless he has another job offer
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he has no leverage. Bowden had leverage with the Arkansas rumors. I cannot recall any rumors surrounding Brad, especially ones that would pay him more than he makes here.
If the admin makes a stand, this is where I believe it happens. IMO, the admin has to make this stand. Extend the contract to 4 years, but the buyout must remain manageable. If Brad doesn't like that, let him leave. Neff has all the leverage here, he has to use it.
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Stockholm Syndrome?
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Oh, and good morning, striperfan.
It has been time to change the music.
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I've been on the fence many years now
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believing many times Brad has run his course here. However, 23 wins and a 3rd place finish in the league, bad as it is, is not the right time. If we somehow squeak in Sunday, it's basically impossible to fire him. Clemson just can't fire a coach off that type season.
And my honest assessment, I really like next year's team if everyone returns. I think they do with Brad here. While raw this year, this was Brad's best freshman class as a whole in his 13 years talent wise. And we didn't even see Gibson. Shieffelin and Middlebrooks both made excellent strides this year. It's honestly the best foundation he's ever had, even if it took him 13 years to get here.
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"If we somehow squeak in", then the goal has been met.
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No one knows for sure what the committee will do, but last night is exactly why the so-called "experts" did not extend a top 4 ACC team one vote. Not one.
The program has been chasing next year for far too many. These decisions are not easy for many, doing the right thing too often isn't.
Should the committee do what many fear, Brad needs to be thanked for his hard work and the Program put ahead of next year.
It's long overdue should the NIT and not NC2A come calling, 13 years is far greater than another next year's maybe.
Let Donlon bring her into the dock, while the search begins in earnest.
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I have Kim Mulkey on my short list
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recruiting could be awkward at first, but it appears she would have a good foundation to work from. And of course, the honor of being the first to break the gender barrier in college coaching would allow us to get her cheap, she will be compensated by her legacy.
Oh, and good morning DSP.
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Growing up in FLA, there were a lot of dudes named Kim...
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I see Mulkey is not one of them.
Go Tigers and good morning, Balmer.
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Brad and Tournament invite should be separated
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Clemson should be considered for the dance - for the work they did this year. Horrible schedule, strange performance where we lost 4 games to Q 3 and 4. Something nobody being considered has come close to. Out record is propped up by wins against bad teams. That said, we also won some decent games. The problem with the wins was they were against what is considered perhaps the worst ACC conference ever. Wins count - but so do losses.
Now, the separate issue. Brad.
Does Neff look at only this season? If this was Brads 4th season - we would not be having this discussion. But it is not. It was his 13th. He has 2 dances with his own players and now we are begging for a 3rd. One of those was a play-in game. One was a solid season and won a couple games in tourney. But what else? No conf championships, generally finishing in the middle of an ACC that is weak. The fan base is fractured. Student enthusiasm is down. Is it affecting cash coming into the school? I don’t know that answer, but my guess would be - yes. But football loyalty will prevent it from being affected too much. The oxygen has been sucked out of the room. Brad did what he could. Not a bad coach, and limited problems with the program. He coaches mid major ball of shoot a massive number of 3 s and hope they go in. Big boy basketball is inside out. We have a couple of bigs for the first time and yet Brad never really developed an offense to drive PJ the ball. Last night was case in point - dramatically outscored in paint (something like 40-22).
My summary, review 13 year tenure. Have we moved forward? If Brad stays - do we really expect to contend for ACC championships? To go to the dance and not constantly be bubble team?
We change coaches, we could get worse. Probably will anyway. Hunter leaves, PJ at most one more year - recruiting for this next year is a single player and 89th grade class. But, what would we lose? Finishing in the middle of the pack? Simply being better than writers guessed? I vote for change and hope. I want better. Yes, Clemson history is not good. But why does it have to stay there?
JMO anyway.
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Agree with alot of what you said
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Mar 11, 2023, 8:32 AM
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but if Hunter, Hemenway and PJ return, how would you rate the foundation entering next season?
Personally, I like all 3 freshmen who played this year. They were raw, but all have talent. Shieffelin and Middlebrooks each made excellent strides this year. Neff will be looking ahead as well. And I think he sees next year as a very solid foundation to move ahead. Best Brad has ever had honestly, in spite of it taking 13 years to get here
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Re: Agree with alot of what you said
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Mar 11, 2023, 8:57 AM
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The 3 you mentioned.
Hemenway to me is a non issue. Can’t move with the ball. Spot player.
Schieffelin is showing some skills and is a good energy guy. I like his game. I have yet to see him create moves, but I like his game. Middlebrooks is stiff and can give minutes.
My issue is when you remove Hunter and PJ - what happens?
You are perhaps right about freshman. But you must feed the pipeline. History tells us that one or more will leave (maybe not). We have one player coming in, a 3 star.
Which means we are back to renting talent for 1 year. To me, until Clemson gets high 3, 4 star talent (if ever), we must develop. I just don’t see it when Hunter and PJ leave. I do agree with you on freshman.
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Godfrey reminds me alot of Simms
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Mar 11, 2023, 9:38 AM
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and I think he will develop along the same lines. Wiggins has a unique blend, at least for us, of length and skill. He's raw, but has a high ceiling. Beadle has as much explosiveness as any guard Brad has recruited, but he's not a PG, he's a combo. Dillon is a natural PG with size. Gibson, we don't know.
Shieffelin is a glue guy that all teams need. Middlebrooks is a banger who if he can come along offensively could be a really nice piece.
Hemenway was actually playing his role very well until the injury. He's been a non-factor since. I can't imagine playing with his injury however, extremely painful.
When Hunter leaves, I think his brother is ready. PJ is the most skilled guy Brad has ever recruited. A big who can score from 3 levels. As for the incoming freshman, he can shoot, and has size.
And the truth is the portal will always be a huge factor with us, and the rest of college hoops. Brad has actually used it pretty well. Reed, Thomas, Galloway worked out this year, Honor contributed.
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Re: My 2 cents on all the Brad angst now that the regular season is over
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Agree. But if I was Brad and could find a lateral move job or one similar to say a Gonzaga where Bball was king (not suggesting Gonzaga but one he could build up to that kind of like Butler did) I’d cut an run. This has to be exhausting for him
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Maybe a possibility
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he was floated for the Ole Miss job lately. I think a school in the midwest has always been his natural fit, but who? Butler has faltered the last few years. MAC is a step down. ND will hire a big name. Depaul? LOL.
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Re: My 2 cents on all the Brad angst now that the regular season is over
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He's gotta go if they don't make the tourney. He's had 13 long years to build this program up. At best we are a middle of the pack team with brownell at the helm. The lose to south Carolina and Louisville is inexcusable with a team with as much talent as Clemson.
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I get it, just don't see it happening***
Mar 11, 2023, 10:27 AM
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Re: My 2 cents on all the Brad angst now that the regular season is over
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I agree with you and I'm fine with that.
But if we lay an egg next season...
or all the young players transfer out...
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Transfers would happen after the decision is made
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Mar 11, 2023, 10:29 AM
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which I think it's already made. If we bomb next year, I also think the decision is already made, hence I believe we maintain a manageable buyout
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Re: My 2 cents on all the Brad angst now that the regular season is over
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great view on this. I think we did some good things and are solid overall. You can't help but wonder who we are given the bad gaffs we had w Loyola and Louisville. I just don't know who we are. Are we the NCSt and Pitt beaters or last night, Lou, and the other meltdowns. I like the team and I know they were trying but who are we. How can anyone be that erratic. There are enough weapons that someone should step up with key guys are off target. It is mind boggling
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This season was fun in alot of ways
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Mar 11, 2023, 10:53 AM
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it was also extremely frustrating with the horrible losses. Avoid just one of them and we aren't having this discussion. Why was it this way? Most will point to coaching, but I've always been a Jimmy and Joe's guy. Players win games, in all sports. I personally believe we overachieved this year. Hunter Tyson literally came out of being average for 4 years to be first team All-ACC. Who saw that happening? Hunter held his own in his first year ever playing PG. The freshman all contributed at times. Middlebrooks became a solid, banger inside. Shieffelin emerged as a very solid glue guy. Everyone knew PJ's talent. The sum was better that the parts.
But when the parts are not as good as the sum when looked at individually, sometimes the sum falters, as in our 4 horrid losses. On the bright side; PJ returns if Brad returns and he's the most talented guy we've had since Booker. Hunter likely returns and should be even better in year 2 as a PG. The freshmen who played all have good upsides. Shieff and Middlebrooks both can improve and be very solid guys on good teams. If all return, it's a very promising core, with skill, depth and experience.
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Re: My 2 cents on all the Brad angst now that the regular season is over
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Striper, you lay out an honest, unemotional case. I don't agree with it completely but appreciate the effort. I don't think we will hear our name called on Sunday but I also don't think they will fire Brad this year. I don't believe he will be given an extension this year. He still has 3 years left on his contract so one more year to see what happens will not damage recruiting or anything else. Players come and go more often now so whether Brad has a 3-year contract or a 5-year contract isn't going to matter that much over the course of the next year.
I know we'd also probably like to hold this team together and keeping Brad one more year might help with that. The only reason I think Neff would move on him sooner is if a "Garrett Riley of Basketball" fell into his lap but the odds of that happening probably aren't very good.
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That type deal would already be basically agreed to
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Mar 11, 2023, 11:37 AM
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and I don't see that right now through back channels. But I didn't see Riley happening either. Of course, it was Dabo doing the hiring, and his clout is what got Riley. Our basketball program does not have anything comparable to that clout
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Re: That type deal would already be basically agreed to
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Mar 11, 2023, 11:46 AM
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Should we ask Dabo to hire one for us 
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Re: That type deal would already be basically agreed to
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Ironically, coming off 23 wins, I could see another school making a run at Brownell if they are looking to establish a stable program. Maybe a school in the AAC or CUSA that may have the money to lure him. Honestly, Neff offering an extension with a manageable buyout might not be enough in comparison. Given the fractured fan base, you really couldn’t blame Brownell for wanting to move on. He’s put a ton of sweat equity into Clemson basketball, but if he feels he’s turning the corner and Neff is lukewarm then why would he stay? Can you imagine the outcry of those ready to move on if Neff got in a bidding war to hold onto Brownell? That would definitely put Neff in a difficult position moving forward.
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Right now
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Mar 11, 2023, 12:19 PM
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I think the admin would be OK with Brad back with a manageable buyout, or, him leaving on his own. I do not foresee any, forthcoming bidding war over him on our part.
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You're probably right in BB gets another year
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Mar 11, 2023, 12:01 PM
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Yes, we had couple bad losses & let a mid-season lead in the ACC evaporate (if Clemson had finished in at least tie for the RS crown, they would've been safe). But we had marked improvement compared to last year. As for the schedule, things fluctuate - the ACC being down & the non-conference schedule (set in advance & which featured a few teams coming off solid years last year) falling to crap is outside the control of Brownell, Neff, or anyone associated with Clemson.
Just think everyone is burnt out on Brownell based on what he's done, that we don't make the NCAAs on regular basis, & still can't break the glass ceiling of winning the ACC. We get a taste of something to get excited about, & then something goes sideways just enough to suck out the excitement. Personally, I think the bubble popped last night & Clemson is NIT bound (which if the case, I hope they pull it together & try to win it).
My concern with Brownell getting another year is if things don't go well, it's another wasted year. If we get Hall, Chase, & Hemenway back, then there's cause for optimism. But we returned the bulk of the Sweet 16 team back for 18-19 & w/o 2 guys (Devoe & Grantham), they fell back to earth. Heck, the 13-14 team that should've been in NCAAs & made the NIT semis returned all but 1 guy the next year (McDaniels) & the next year's team was a flop. If that happens w/ Galloway & Tyson no longer part of the mix next year, can we justify keeping the status quo going?
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Re: You're probably right in BB gets another year
Mar 11, 2023, 1:06 PM
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Hunter Tyson pushed this team above the expectations. With him gone, I think it will be a difficult year.
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Re: You're probably right in BB gets another year
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Hunter Tyson pushed this team above the expectations. With him gone, I think it will be a difficult year.
I think that view doesn’t take into account the development of Godfrey, Wiggins, D. Hunter, plus more experience from Middlebrooks and Schieffelin. Hall and C. Hunter can provide the core scoring. Then there’s the wildcard of bringing in an extra piece from the portal. If none of the above improves over their current play then yes it would be a drop off.
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Re: My 2 cents on all the Brad angst now that the regular season is over
Mar 11, 2023, 6:16 PM
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I honestly do not think regardless of Brad’s success at Clemson for some fans it will never be enough. It reminds somewhat of what happened to Coach Ken Hatfield and HC Jack Leggett. Will the Brownell haters be happy if he is fired. Then what’s next ? Let’s say we hire a new HC whose accomplishment are about the same as BB or let’s say he achieves less than Coach Brownell. How many seasons will fans give the next HC to reach fan expectations ?
Let’s not forget the growing financial gap between the ACC and the SEC / Big10 conferences. How do we fund football so our program remain competitive ? And Where does the money come from for Basketball ? To remain competitive in basketball I think it will be necessary to put more money into basketball even if Clemson hires a new HC. I believe a new HC might even insist a clause be included in his contract that a certain amount of additional $$$$$$ is put into Clemson basketball.
I would not want to be the AD at Clemson in this new athletic climate.
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Re: My 2 cents on all the Brad angst now that the regular season is over
Mar 12, 2023, 5:36 PM
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I do not think he should get an extension, not after all these years of mediocrity or less. His buyout next year will still be large. We don't need to be paying him because he had one good season.
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