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Rewatched the UofSC game finally
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Rewatched the UofSC game finally


Dec 23, 2022, 3:45 PM

I wanted to see how bad DJ really was. So I watched all the passing plays.

1st: Off target (0-1)
2nd: WRs bump into each other (0-2)
3rd: Fake bubble, sack
4th: Out to Ngata, first down (1-3)
5th: Slant to Beaux, first down (2-4)
6th: Mafah drops a swing pass (2-5)
7th: overthrow Antonio on wheel route (2-6)
8th: hit on release, had Antonio open (2-7)
9th: hits Beaux on a big play (3-8)
10th: Ngata drops a slant (3-9)
11th: hits Antonio for a TD (4-10)
12th: Antonio drops a great throw (4-11)
13th: Briningstool for 3 yards (5-12)
14th: off target to Spector (5-13)
15th: awful throw to nobody (5-14)
16th: EJ Williams with no separation (5-15)
17th: awful throw to Randall (5-16)
18th: Spector dropped a slant (5-17)
19th: pressured on throw (5-18)
20th: pressured on throw (5-19)
21st: swing pass to Shipley (6-20)
22nd: screen, no gain (7-21)
23rd: pressured on throw (7-22)
24th: ball slips from DJ’s hand (7-23)
25th: pressured on throw (7-24)
26th: INT going to Allen (7-25)
27th: pass interference on UofSC
28th: slant dropped by EJ (7-26)
29th: off target to Ngata (7-27)
30th: off target to Ngata (7-28)

I’m missing one play. But, oh well.

Losing Beaux was pretty huge tbh. DJ went 4-21 after that.

He missed badly on a few throws. He was slightly off target on a bunch. The drops were huge.

EJ Williams and Brannon Spector were awful.

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Re: Rewatched the UofSC game finally


Dec 23, 2022, 3:55 PM

You have a lot more guts than I do. I’ll never be able to watch it. I’m afraid that one will burn a hole in my soul for a long long time

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Re: Rewatched the UofSC game finally


Dec 23, 2022, 4:16 PM

Beaux’s injury was huge.

Had the one big play along with a 1st down catch on 3rd down. He also had a shot on another big play as he had a step on the CB, but DJ got sacked.

Ngata and Randall were never going to be factors. But losing Beaux forced us to play EJ and Spector more. They were unbelievably awful.

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Re: Rewatched the UofSC game finally


Dec 26, 2022, 7:44 PM [ in reply to Re: Rewatched the UofSC game finally ]

No heart. Dabo’s teams have always played with heart, except the few games where all goes wrong, but this has been the year of heartless games.

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Yes, DJ was awful.


Dec 23, 2022, 4:07 PM

I suggest we all move on.

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Re: Yes, DJ was awful.


Dec 23, 2022, 4:22 PM

I’m really confused why we didn’t go to the TEs more often after Beaux went out. Davis and Briningstool each only had one target.

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I think we would have with a fully healthy Oline.


Dec 23, 2022, 4:28 PM

The TE’s were too busy blocking on every down.

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Re: I think we would have with a fully healthy Oline.


Dec 23, 2022, 5:21 PM

Mitchell Mayes did not play well. We really missed Marcus Tate.

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I'm really confused to why we didn't go with the RUN more


Dec 24, 2022, 8:29 AM [ in reply to Re: Yes, DJ was awful. ]

often!

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I'm confused why we didn't run the ball more


Dec 24, 2022, 6:27 PM [ in reply to Re: Yes, DJ was awful. ]

Shipley was having a nice day

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Unless he is really 'ON,' he can't hit a target moving...


Dec 25, 2022, 10:27 PM [ in reply to Re: Yes, DJ was awful. ]

across the field. Even when he is on he is apt to throw too high or behind the receiver. We quit calling many crossing routes unless the receiver dead stopped and waited on the throw.

I'm satisfied DJ was knocking the numbers off of all the receivers' jerseys during practice but he really struggled in most games.

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Re: Yes, DJ was awful.


Dec 25, 2022, 11:49 PM [ in reply to Re: Yes, DJ was awful. ]

Great question. There is no good answer

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Re: Yes, DJ was awful.


Dec 23, 2022, 7:03 PM [ in reply to Yes, DJ was awful. ]

I agree. The past will get you nowhere.

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Re: Yes, DJ was awful.


Dec 24, 2022, 9:10 AM [ in reply to Yes, DJ was awful. ]

You follow every cult narrative in hopes for all the Thumbs Up you can get. You don’t move on in the sense of just forgetting the QB play we saw here for the past 2 seasons. Seeing Cade perform so well makes it even more topical. I’d suggest you and others who were so terribly wrong just ignore the subject. Merry Christmas dude.

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What were people wrong about what, Gomer?***


Dec 25, 2022, 6:53 PM



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You are a miserable blowhard.


Dec 25, 2022, 8:46 PM [ in reply to Re: Yes, DJ was awful. ]

That's the only way I can rationalize your post.

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Re: Rewatched the UofSC game finally


Dec 23, 2022, 4:11 PM

A glutton for punishment I see...

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Re: Rewatched the UofSC game finally


Dec 23, 2022, 4:25 PM

We desperately need WR help. Those dudes have to develop, in a hurry.

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Re: Rewatched the UofSC game finally


Dec 23, 2022, 5:19 PM

They were better in Charlotte. Hopefully, with a month to work with Cade and more practice, we will take another step up in performance in the OB.

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Re: Rewatched the UofSC game finally


Dec 23, 2022, 5:23 PM

Beaux and Antonio are good. Randall and Cole Turner have to make huge leaps for next year. I have no confidence in Spector, Taylor, or Stellato.

If we don’t get Ngata back, we need the freshmen to come in ready to make an impact.

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Re: Rewatched the UofSC game finally


Dec 23, 2022, 5:45 PM

I give Cole a pass because of his late-season start. He looked a lot better in Charlotte and I think he will keep improving as he gets more reps.

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Re: Rewatched the UofSC game finally


Dec 24, 2022, 10:02 AM [ in reply to Re: Rewatched the UofSC game finally ]

The wR’s struggled because he threw bullets when touch was needed & a high wobble when a fastball was needed.

He was all over the place bad. He has the ability but his head is a mess right now!

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Re: Rewatched the UofSC game finally


Dec 24, 2022, 5:43 PM

The drop by Mafah was all on DJ.

But the drops by Ngata, EJ, and Antonio were all perfect throws.

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Re: Rewatched the UofSC game finally


Dec 23, 2022, 4:18 PM

Had Cade played it might have been a different game but we are lucky we didn’t lose worse than 1 point.

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Re: Rewatched the UofSC game finally


Dec 23, 2022, 4:24 PM

I wouldn’t say we were lucky. Rattler made 2 mistakes. We fumbled twice on special teams. Those cancel each other out.

Rattler and their WRs were just a lot better than DJ and our WRs. That’s it.

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Re: Rewatched the UofSC game finally


Dec 23, 2022, 9:58 PM

Well, one of his directly resulted in a TD for y’all. Another took a TD off the board by throwing a pick in the end zone. I wouldn’t necessarily say those cancel out with two fumbles.

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The better team did not win the game.***


Dec 23, 2022, 11:18 PM



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Re: Rewatched the UofSC game finally


Dec 24, 2022, 7:55 AM [ in reply to Re: Rewatched the UofSC game finally ]

The fumbled kickoff led to a TD for y’all. The fumbled punt ended the game.

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Re: Rewatched the UofSC game finally


Dec 24, 2022, 5:32 PM

Yeah, lead to. Y’all had a chance to stop us and we still had to drive for the TD. The pick 6 was a direct TD. The INT directly took a score off the board for us. Not the same.

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You were given the game.***


Dec 24, 2022, 5:50 PM



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Re: You were given the game.***


Dec 25, 2022, 4:00 PM

If by “given the game” you mean we were good enough to overcome our massive mistake and you weren’t, then I agree. We were better at almost every position, including coaching.

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Again, if 27.6% was even close to 50%


Dec 25, 2022, 7:04 PM

You get destroyed. You were "good enough" because 27.6%. You weren't better at any position, except QB.

You're nuts.

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Re: Again, if 27.6% was even close to 50%


Dec 25, 2022, 9:41 PM

Laughable. If, if, if. IF Ratt doesn’t throw a pick 6….IF Ratt doesn’t throw a pick in the end zone…IF the refs don’t blow that lateral call…IF Ratt doesn’t take the safety. See, I can do it too. We were better at QB, OL, WR, DB, TE, ST, and coaching. I’ll give you DL/LBs the edge bc we couldn’t do anything running. And your RBs were better. It we were better in every other way.

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Re: Again, if 27.6% was even close to 50%


Dec 26, 2022, 3:11 PM

You’re wrong about this.

Clemson is the much more talented team. I guarantee you that we’ll have more players drafted than South Carolina does.

Rattler, Juice Wells, and Cam Smith are better than any QB, WR, and CB that we have. But we have more depth than y’all.

Our talent level doesn’t look good because our QB was so bad. You should know that considering how bad Rattler was playing prior to the Tennessee game. That same talent lost at home to Missouri and got blasted by Florida. You beat Tennessee and Clemson because of one player. That’s it.

If Clemson had a competent QB, our entire team would look a lot better. It is the single most important position in all of sports. Our WRs didn’t play well, I get it. Losing Beaux Collins hurt us. But DJ was also very bad. In fact, if y’all had DJ and we had Rattler, Clemson would have won by at least 35.

Another good example of this. Clemson would have lost to UNC if DJ played the entire game. In fact, we would have lost by several scores. Our offense went three and out both series that DJ was in. And our defense would have been deflated all game knowing that our offense wasn’t going to move the ball. But, Cade came in, and we outscored them 39-3. One player makes that much a difference.

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Re: Again, if 27.6% was even close to 50%


Dec 26, 2022, 6:51 PM

A couple of things:

1. You’re not giving your team much credit. UNC is the most overrated team in the country. That D is pathetic. You would’ve beaten them by at least 2 TDs no matter who was playing QB. Y’all out here acting like DJ is Cole Stoudt and it’s kind of ridiculous.

2. Never said we had a deeper team. I’m saying in that game all those units were better in that game. Not sure how you could come to any other conclusion. You’ll likely have more draft picks bc of your front 7 on D. But your WRs are bad. Prized transfer Jaheim Bell couldn’t find PT in our rotation. We’ve got really good receivers. Josh Vann would be your best WR. Your OL is average. Ship is a beast and I wish we had him. Your secondary is average to mediocre. We’ll have more guys drafted off our current secondary than Clem. Or at least drafted higher.

3. Yeah, I know what 1 player can do. But don’t act like Vann and Wells didn’t ball out on UT as well. Our D also held them to one of their worst performances of the year. Even given Ratts struggles before that game, Wells was having an All sec year.

I’m not saying y’all don’t have a good team. You do. It’s just not dominant as it’s been in your playoff runs.
And we’re closing that gap very quickly.

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Re: Again, if 27.6% was even close to 50%


Dec 26, 2022, 7:30 PM

You are wrong about us beating UNC with DJ. That game was headed towards a blowout. Did you watch his two series? He threw his first pass into the ground to an open Ngata. Then he sailed his next pass over an open Antonio.

I’m sure you think the ACC is awful. But somehow DJ couldn’t put up big numbers. Same reason why Kelly Bryant couldn’t either. They just aren’t good QBs. DJ’s accuracy is awful, he can’t read a defense, and he’s a head case. Thems the facts.

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It’s one of these two emotions watching that again…


Dec 23, 2022, 4:25 PM




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Re: It’s one of these two emotions watching that again…


Dec 23, 2022, 7:47 PM

I would gladly scratch her feet

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Re: It’s one of these two emotions watching that again…


Dec 23, 2022, 7:52 PM [ in reply to It’s one of these two emotions watching that again… ]

I tried to give you a TU, but thumbed the wrong button. No fixing that on Tnet. Sorry buddy.

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Class of '87


Re: Rewatched the UofSC game finally


Dec 23, 2022, 4:33 PM

I haven’t re-watched a game in2 years. After our successful years with DW and TL our games were downright depressing and head scratching.
I did watch, recently, the Natty where we wiped the field with the best ever AL team. That game never gets old to watch and thanks again to Tiger TV for keeping it up on you tube.

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Class of ‘71. Went through “rat season” and glad I did.


I can't do it. Too painful.***


Dec 23, 2022, 5:03 PM



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Re: I can't do it. Too painful.***


Dec 23, 2022, 7:43 PM

Yea, I haven't summoned the courage to watch it again, either. Still pissed.

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Looking at performance lists like this makes me realize


Dec 23, 2022, 5:22 PM

what drives you to atheism. I have more empathy now. :)

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Re: Looking at performance lists like this makes me realize


Dec 23, 2022, 5:24 PM

Thanks!

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We had the same receivers in the Acc championship minus


Dec 23, 2022, 5:42 PM

Beau. Somehow CK2 got the ball to them in a way they could make a catch. DJU was just plain awful.

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That's actually a good point.


Dec 24, 2022, 7:33 AM

I would also say that USC had a better defense than UNC.

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Not saying DJ gets off blame free...


Dec 23, 2022, 6:59 PM

But there were a few plays that the refs missed calls on, especially that INT. It looked like the DB pushed Allen down, stadium went nuts after the no call.

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Re: Rewatched the UofSC game finally


Dec 23, 2022, 7:07 PM

DJ also played hurt in 2nd half--thus on of the reasons why...IMO...you saw a continual erosion in his passing efficiency in the second half.

I wasn't a "put Cade in" fan all year; but when we used him to win the SYR game...why not here when DJU was hurt.

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Re: Rewatched the UofSC game finally


Dec 23, 2022, 7:50 PM

Made no sense not to put CK2 in. I’ll never understand

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DJ wasn't "hurt".***


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Re: Rewatched the UofSC game finally


Dec 23, 2022, 10:04 PM

In summation, DJ sucks.

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Thanks for doing this, first WR and now RB recruiting....


Dec 23, 2022, 10:08 PM

tanking.

It wasn't just DJ; I think he wasn't meant to run the RPO offense.

The biggest thing is that we don't have the horses on offense that we did, or else we wouldn't be struggling to be in the country's top half in offensive production.

It also doesn't help that we have an inexperienced OC trying to make it work.

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Re: Thanks for doing this, first WR and now RB recruiting....


Dec 24, 2022, 8:01 AM

I’ll give Streeter the benefit of the doubt. After watching Cade against UNC, it was clear how restricted the offense was with DJ. They just didn’t have confidence in him to open things up.

But, yes, WR development is a problem, particularly Ngata and EJ. Dabo has always maintained that Ngata is the most talented guy he’s had, but I can’t tell. And the regression of EJ is criminal. I’ve never seen anything like it. He made some big time catches and flashed a lot of potential as a freshman. Then he was unplayable as a junior.

Also, Spector is just bad. He doesn’t do anything well.

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True, true, true


Dec 25, 2022, 6:14 PM

excellent post.

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We didn't run an RPO offense with DJ.


Dec 24, 2022, 9:03 AM [ in reply to Thanks for doing this, first WR and now RB recruiting.... ]

The "inexperienced" OC has been coaching offense for 20 years, including four as an OC.

The "inexperienced" OC somehow milked a #7 ranking out of the brokenness that became of our QB situation. It was a tremendous job to adjust our offense and find ways to win.

Recruiting hasn't "tanked" anywhere either. You might want to wait to see how it all looks with a new QB directing things before continuing down your search for answers in spite of being 7th in the country with a chance to be in the top 5.

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I will give you Streeter


Dec 25, 2022, 6:58 PM

Though I will never understand running up the middle on first down on 90% of first downs at times.

Zone read, RPO, QB deciding to hand off or tuck it in. You call it what you want. It sucked.

If you don't think that WR and especially RB recruiting has tanked, then I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

CBV got two 4-star RBs his first year at OK. With an established program, we haven't sniffed an RB of that quality in 2 years. There is a problem.

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If you charted the gains on 1st downs, then you'd


Dec 25, 2022, 7:19 PM

see we were basically pretty successful. Where we struggled was 2nd and 3rd and longs, where we had to hit passes downfield to get 1st downs.

We did not run Shipley up the middle 90% of the time, but then again, we won 11 games with out very basic offense. Our offensive issue (yes, singular) wasn't running Shipley on 1st downs.. most all teams run on 1st down, basic football. Worst thing you can do is have an incomplete pass on 1st down, basically requiring longer passes to get 1st downs. Running on 1st is a staple of football at any level , and it sets up everything else you see.

Again, an RPO is where a QB is resding the LB deciding whether to hand off or throw. Run or pass. Period. We didn't run any RPO.

A zone read is where the QB reads the DE and decides if he'll hand off or keep it. We ran some of those, but more often than not it was a designed carry for whoever got it.

We were NOT an RPO offense. It's simply not correct for people to say we were trying to a square peg in a round hole by running RPO, when in fact we didn't run it at all.

Not counting this year, we've signed FIVE top 20 receivers and another top 50. That's not "tanking" at all. We have talent that's been forced to be dormant for 2 years.

RB, hmm, what's the strongest part of our offense? That would be running backs. When RBs get to be a problem on the field, then you can express some realistic concern. As it is, we have two stud RBs coming back and some who have shown skills even down to Keith Adams Jr and Dominique Thomas (both redshirts). We have more guys coming in, and frankly if you want to value a single star over production, then have at it. When BV and Oklahoma starts succeeds at our level then get back to me and we'll compare RBs.

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Re: If you charted the gains on 1st downs, then you'd


Dec 25, 2022, 9:41 PM

Wow, where do I begin? What is the problem? Our offense went from being ELITE to hovering around 50th in the nation. TNET had an article saying that in one game, we ran the ball up the middle 11 of 13 times on the first down (this is a ballpark). People here predicted the play calling as a joke and getting it dead on during games. I am SURE opposing DCs had an easier go of it.

It's not Streeter.

It's not a drop in WR recruiting.

Is it not a coaching or talent problem?

Then you tell me, what is it? I'll wait.

And please don't argue that we have Keith Adams jr "waiting in the wings" as proof that RB recruiting is healthy because it makes you sound silly; you're better off redefining RPO and Zone read again and again.

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Re: If you charted the gains on 1st downs, then you'd


Dec 28, 2022, 1:23 PM

Shipley averaged 5.8 yards per carry so if we were pretty much only running up the middle with him most of the time then I'd say that play was typically pretty successful.

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So if our offense improves next year you’ll give him credit


Dec 26, 2022, 7:48 AM [ in reply to We didn't run an RPO offense with DJ. ]

But he’s not responsible for his offense and QB play the last 2 years? Interesting

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#### our coaches for not having Cade prepared


Dec 23, 2022, 11:04 PM

and for leaving that fraud DJ in.

Thanks a lot, Dabo. It’s the only ####### game that matters and you ###### it up.

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Dec 23, 2022, 11:07 PM

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#### our coaches for not having Cade prepared
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and for leaving that fraud DJ in.

Thanks a lot, Dabo. It’s the only ####### game that matters and you ###### it up.

remember that time back at band camp. smfh

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Re: #### our coaches for not having Cade prepared


Dec 24, 2022, 12:38 AM

Are you quoting him because he's right?

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His response is way over the top..


Dec 24, 2022, 9:09 AM

Cade was prepared, but DJ was winning until 10 minutes were left. And USuC is far from the only game that matters.

So what was he "right" about?

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Re: His response is way over the top..


Dec 24, 2022, 12:32 PM

It's by far the most important game. And ######## was DJ "winning" until 10 minutes were left. Let's look at the scores behind the game until 10 minutes were left.

First drive: Punt - DJ didn't complete a pass
First TD: Pick 6 - DJ wasn't on the field.
Second Drive: Touchdown, DJ completed a 7 yard pass but the rest were all runs
Third Drive: 3 and out, DJ didn't complete a pass
Fourth Drive: Punt, DJ was 1/3 for 6 yards
Fifth Drive: Touchdown, DJ was good on this drive, completing a screen that went for distance and a decent 11 yard pass to Williams
Sixth Drive: Punt, DJ was 1/3 for 3 yards.
Seventh Drive (first drive in second half): Three and Out, DJ was 0/2.
Eighth Drive: Punt, DJ was 0/3.
Ninth Drive: Punt, DJ was 1/2 for 10 yards
Tenth Drive: Three and Out, DJ was 1/2 for 0 yards.
Eleventh Drive: Three and Out, DJ was 0/2
Twelfth Drive: Interception by DJ


Those are his drives which get us through all but the last 10 minutes. In 12 drives, DJ had one good one. He didn't manage 10 yards passing on 10 of those drives. Will Shipley and the defense were winning until 10 minutes were left. DJ was actively hurting the team on every single drive but one.

He was right on all points.

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Right on what points??


Dec 24, 2022, 5:59 PM

You seem confused.

DJ was playing because he was winning games while Cade was developing.

I'm fully aware of DJs poor performance, especially late, and to me 27.6% is the primary reason we lost. But yet again, when you're winning a close game, you don't pull the starter. We were winning until 10 minutes left, and down only one at that point you let your starter have a chance to go win it. Unfortunately he was terrible on those last 3 possessions including a very bad INT on our 2nd to last possession. If it were earlier in the game, we would have pulled DJ like we did against Syracuse, but it was very late in the game. Barring an injury to the guy who was winning most of the game, he's gonna get a shot to win it. And you know what? If we takeover possession at midfield without Williams' fumble, then I still believe we win the game.

Saying Cade should have started, or be thrown in the fire as time was winding down, those things aren't reality.

So what exactly are you saying was correct?

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Re: Right on what points??


Dec 28, 2022, 10:08 AM

Yeah, I think it's pretty simple. Your D gave you 9 points. DJ had been protecting the ball for most of the year. I think Dabo figured a 9 point lead was plenty with your D. If you think back, Dabo kind of pooped on our performance against UT. Chalked it up to UT looking to the playoff and having a bad defense. I was kind of surprised by those comments b/c he's always made comments to keep his team focused. So he thought the D would clamp down and suffocate us. When that didn't happen, he's faced with relying on a struggling veteran with a bunch of wins under his belt, or a true freshman that has been inconsistent in a close game with the playoff on the line.

He made the right decision. It just didn't work out for him.

I think the turning point was the stupid trick play on the return. Ya'll had just made a huge defensive play to go up by 9. All the momentum was in your favor. I thought we were about to get boat raced. Shipley was guaranteed to get a return on the safety kick, and he's a great return guy. And you took the ball out of his hands. I thought that was a golden opportunity. If you get set up with good field position and go down and score, I'm not sure we would have been able to overcome a 16 point deficit with all the other mistakes we made in the first half.

I know 27.6% gets a lot of play over here. But there were MANY issues that day that lead to your demise.

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And too, he said the USuC game is the only one that matters.


Dec 24, 2022, 6:01 PM [ in reply to Re: His response is way over the top.. ]

Is that an accurate point, according to you, as well?

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I’m sorry, what does that have to do with band camp?***


Dec 24, 2022, 1:33 AM [ in reply to Re: #### our coaches for not having Cade prepared ]



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There's something in these hills.


Wondering the same thing...


Dec 24, 2022, 7:34 AM

another drunkin post by that weirdo.

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Re: Rewatched the UofSC game finally


Dec 24, 2022, 12:37 AM

I did the same. I'm only seeing 4 drops. And those were also next to uncatchable knuckle balls he threw. Also, for the first pass, it wasn't just off target. It bounced off the defender's chest. Most importantly, in a lot of those misses/short passes, there were better passes deep available he didn't see.

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Part of the problem


Dec 24, 2022, 9:40 AM

Part of the problem our wide receivers have is that DJ was throwing the ball to them. Yes, drops were terrible, but is it easier to catch when the ball is thrown well and placed where you expect it.

I've been wrong before but I think we look back after a few games, we will realize several of those receivers are better than they looked catching DJs throws.

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Re: Part of the problem


Dec 24, 2022, 5:46 PM

That’s not it lol.

Ngata, EJ, and Antonio dropped perfect throws. Two were contested, but should have been caught. EJ’s drop was just awful. Would have been a first down. Nobody near him. The hall just clanked off his hands.

I don’t want to speculate this, but how hard was he practicing all year? He probably knew he was going into the portal early on since he wasn’t starting.

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No thank you.


Dec 24, 2022, 9:42 AM

I can’t put myself through that again. So many missed opportunities and just the worst coaching.

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