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That gay agenda and stuff - a little poll
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Jan 20, 2023, 10:42 AM
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Okay, first, let's not bring transgender stuff into this discussion. That's a different topic. If you bring it up, especially to rant about kids possibly being taken in for surgery and stuff, you're just admitting you're trying to derail the original topic.
I'm asking these questions based on a few hints some posters have dropped, and with pawacoot's absurd suggestion that you could encourage kids into beastiality by making them watch a farmer bang a cow. Yeah, he said that.
So, if your answer is "NO" to all of these, you don't need to respond. But if your answer to any of them is "YES," please explain your rationale and what you think should be done to fix it, in your opinion, if you think this is a problem.
-Are homosexual adults actively trying to push kids to be gay? Like, do you think they're trying to recruit new members to the fold?
-Can kids be taught to be homosexual?
-Can homosexual kids be converted back to straight?
-Is homosexuality evil and does our society need to protect kids from it? And I'm not talking about protecting kids from #### or stuff like that; that can apply to all children for all 18+ material. I'm talking about just simply being gay.
-Should homosexuals be prohibited from marrying? Or, perhaps, do you feel states should have the right to deny such marriages without federal interference?
-Should we deny homosexual couples the ability to adopt children?
Thanks in advance. Again, leave the drag show topics out of it; start another thread on that.
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IDK … but one party elects a lying gay drag queen to Congress and ….
Jan 20, 2023, 10:56 AM
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The other party wants to throw him out. Go figure?
To answer your question….
“Yes now if a six turned out to be a nine, I don’t mind. I don’t mind. If all the hippies cut off their hair, I don’t care. I don’t care.”
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my answer is "No" to all but apparently Pootie-Poot is yes
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Jan 20, 2023, 10:56 AM
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and that "yes" response is a big reason he invaded Ukraine. I suspect many of the MAGAt-style lungers agree with Pootie-Poot on this:
This is where the gay propaganda kicks in: It’s all a part of a dastardly plan, he says, by Western elites to stop the natural propagation of humanity. “People are being indoctrinated in gay marriage so they don’t multiply,” Kovalchuk said, “and in a couple of generations there won’t be anybody.”
But what of the countries outside of pernicious Western influence, like Russia, China or India? Here, he said, the elites’ plan gets even more sinister: bioweapons. “A COVID with a 100 percent mortality will come to them and cut down everybody,” Kovalchuk predicted.
According to him, all this was a long-term plan crafted by the Dulles brothers — Allen, the former director of the CIA, and John, Eisenhower’s secretary of State — “together with their Rockefeller buddy.” Kovalchuk claims they created the World Health Organization “not for curing people. But to control the health of humanity in many parts of the world, to influence it with vaccination.”
So, did you get it?
It’s not against Ukraine the Russian army is fighting. It’s against a New World Order of Bilderberg and Davos elites trying to genetically engineer a subservient humanity with gay marriages in the West and killer viruses in the rest of the world. With Rockefellers, Dulles brothers and WHO thrown into the mix.
https://thehill.com/opinion/international/3784875-the-gay-world-war-inside-putins-warped-reality/
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Good luck getting responses. Doubt many have the courage.***
Jan 20, 2023, 10:57 AM
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or the intellect***
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Jan 20, 2023, 11:01 AM
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we know you are gay...and there's nothing wrong with that
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Jan 20, 2023, 11:02 AM
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First off, I believe that true homosexuals are born that way. Some people engage in homosexual acts; but I do not consider them homosexuals.
-Are homosexual adults actively trying to push kids to be gay? Like, do you think they're trying to recruit new members to the fold?
Yes. The more the merrier. Although, I think it is more that straight adults are pushing kids to be gay for whatever reasons they may have: virtue signaling, power, garner more votes, control, etc. I do not think that true homosexuals are trying to "turn" kids.
-Can kids be taught to be homosexual?
Yes. See my opening statement. Kids can be taught (or even peer pressured) to engage in homosexual acts, but I do not believe that they can be "taught" to be homosexual. Just as a kid can be taught to play violin. I don't enjoy playing the violin, but I can play it; but I prefer the banjo.
-Can homosexual kids be converted back to straight?
Not a real homosexual, but those listed above...yes
-Should homosexuals be prohibited from marrying? Or, perhaps, do you feel states should have the right to deny such marriages without federal interference?
Yes, if that is the state law. Even though I think it would be silly of a state to deny it; I believe in state's rights for marriage (and most other things). I would like to marry my dog, so that I can claim him as a dependent; but S.C. does not recognize it.
No to everything else.
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can you tell us more about 'legitimate rape' as well?***
Jan 20, 2023, 11:03 AM
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You mean like Tara Reade?
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Jan 20, 2023, 11:07 AM
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or Biden's niece? Legitimate rape is when a democrat or liberal commits it.
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no. Todd Akin style GOPer / MAGAt talking points***
Jan 20, 2023, 11:08 AM
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Thum bup for responding thoughtfully.
Jan 20, 2023, 11:12 AM
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Obviously don’t agree, but find it particularly odd that you think there is a prevalent gay recruiting effort. And I’ve never known anyone to turn gay…or straight for that matter.
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I've had numerous gay friends tell me how much they wish
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Jan 20, 2023, 11:14 AM
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they werent gay...that their life would be so much simpler and that they could still speak with their family etc....
so, yeah, I agree, don't see anyone recruiting gheys
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That’s been my experience, as well. I’ve heard that phrase
Jan 20, 2023, 11:29 AM
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many times in conversations with gay friends. It’s not like they had a choice.
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Re: we know you are gay...and there's nothing wrong with that
Jan 20, 2023, 11:26 AM
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Just because I love watching WWE alone in the dark with a bottle of Jergens doesn't make me gay. Right?
See my opening statement. Kids can be taught (or even peer pressured) to engage in homosexual acts, but I do not believe that they can be "taught" to be homosexual. Just as a kid can be taught to play violin. I don't enjoy playing the violin, but I can play it; but I prefer the banjo.
I didn't say coerced into acts; I acknowledge this happens to kids and that's sexual assault.
I'm talking about actually "turning" a kid.
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Re: we know you are gay...and there's nothing wrong with that
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Jan 20, 2023, 1:10 PM
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"First off, I believe that true homosexuals are born that way"
I don't believe anyone can be turned or turned back. Behavior modification may exist, but it doesn't change who they are.
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I'll go
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Jan 20, 2023, 11:44 AM
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- Yes, it's how they reproduce
- Yes
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- Yes, Yes (but not government)
- Yes, by churches (again not government)
- Yes, by adoption agencies (ditto)
So my opinion is that sexual identity isn't real, it's just sexual degeneracy. That being said, as long as you and another consenting adult are participating in sexual degeneracy, that's your business, not mine.
I also don't think the government should define or control marriage, and I don't think homosexual marriage is a real thing. I think marriage is between a man and a woman.
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You really lack the basics for operating within
Jan 20, 2023, 11:51 AM
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the human condition.
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Re: I'll go
Jan 20, 2023, 11:52 AM
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I, too, think marriage should be left up entirely to private entities and that governments should not have much say in regulating them.
So you don't believe any person can be naturally born homosexual? And why do you feel it's evil? Religious reasons?
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Re: I'll go
Jan 20, 2023, 2:09 PM
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I don't have time to really fully expound on the topic but I don't think it's natural, I think it's a preference. What's natural is the urge to reproduce and participate in reproductive behaviors and if you don't put any limits or constraints on those urges then it leads to all sorts of practices that become preferences over time.
I think it's evil to lead kids in that direction rather than teaching them self-restraint, and I think it's evil on a fundamental level because it leads people away from the foundation of human existence and evolution which is the family unit. It will never be admitted in the mainstream, but it leads people to a lifetime of despair and regret.
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Re: I'll go
Jan 20, 2023, 3:28 PM
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I think it's evil to lead kids in that direction rather than teaching them self-restraint, and I think it's evil on a fundamental level because it leads people away from the foundation of human existence and evolution which is the family unit. It will never be admitted in the mainstream, but it leads people to a lifetime of despair and regret.
I didn't say anything about evil and "leading kids". To the second part of this quote, I again ask if you're driven by religion here because going "against the foundation of human existence" doesn't really fit the definition of evil.
What evidence do you have that it "leads people to a lifetime of despair and regret"?
Finally, given that so many kids in the foster system need adopting, why would you deny a homosexual couple that?
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Re: I'll go
Jan 20, 2023, 7:35 PM
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Anything that goes against the foundation of human existence is evil. This doesn't require religion, it's just basic common sense that happens to underpin all religions (except Satanism I guess)
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Seems like it's more a hollywood agenda as well as
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Jan 20, 2023, 12:48 PM
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being pushed on the interweb
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What's the goal/end game of that?***
Jan 20, 2023, 12:55 PM
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as for society, that's a good question.***
Jan 20, 2023, 1:26 PM
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There's never a good answer to that question when raised
Jan 20, 2023, 4:43 PM
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which should give those who believe the theory pause, and upon reflection, realize that their belief doesn't make any sense.
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Re: That gay agenda and stuff - a little poll
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Jan 20, 2023, 1:40 PM
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All no's except this one...
-Can kids be taught to be homosexual?
My wife is a teacher, and she's definitely seen an uptick in her middle school aged kids, who at that age are just being introduced to sex, claiming to be gay or bi.
While I don't believe it is as big of an issue as a lot of conservatives claim, the LGBTQ? (not sure if any letters have been added) movement is definitely influencing kids.
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Re: That gay agenda and stuff - a little poll
Jan 20, 2023, 1:43 PM
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My wife is a teacher, and she's definitely seen an uptick in her middle school aged kids, who at that age are just being introduced to sex, claiming to be gay or bi.
Do you think that could be because kids are becoming less afraid to be open about it than in the past?
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or it's widely available on TV and apps?
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Jan 20, 2023, 2:06 PM
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It seems like it's everywhere. Is it influencing pre-teens and teens, yes.
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Re: or it's widely available on TV and apps?
Jan 20, 2023, 3:29 PM
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So you don't believe a person can be naturally born that way?
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Re: or it's widely available on TV and apps?
Jan 20, 2023, 4:45 PM
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I don't know the science, but I feel people can be born that way. People/kids are influenced via tv/internet/peer pressure especially these days.
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Re: That gay agenda and stuff - a little poll
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So you and I probably agree on most of these answers, but when it comes to homosexuality being culturally pushed on kids today? Oh heck yeah. Take it from a parent of teens, in most schools these days, identifying as gay is the cool new counterculture trend. Move over goth, now there’s something more fabulous. Aside from the percent of kids that actually are gay, there are the rebellers and the attention seekers galore as part of that club.
It’s pretty much everywhere in films and movies, at a rate that is much, much higher than in the actual population, and I’ve lost track of shows I’ve been watching where they just randomly forced a gay scene or love interest into the story in a really awkward way, as if to check a box of some sort. You know good screenwriting too so I know you’ve noticed it as well. The question is, is it a Hollywood virtue signal or a propaganda campaign of sorts, and if it’s the latter, why? I don’t know these answers, just telling you what I’ve seen.
I will say that, as we discussed in another thread where you described certain male friends under the thumb of their wives, I do firmly believe that cultural elites are working to stamp out traditional definitions of masculinity, and this trend certainly wouldn’t hurt that.
If it’s intentional, I think it’s clearly working, as someone would have a very, very hard time convincing me that the stats I attached are just nature taking its course.
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Re: That gay agenda and stuff - a little poll
Jan 20, 2023, 1:49 PM
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Oh heck yeah. Take it from a parent of teens, in most schools these days, identifying as gay is the cool new counterculture trend. Move over goth, now there’s something more fabulous. Aside from the percent of kids that actually are gay, there are the rebellers and the attention seekers galore as part of that club.
I don't doubt that some kids are going to claim it to be trendy, but I would wager most aren't and instead feel more comfortable coming than kids in the past.
It’s pretty much everywhere in films and movies, at a rate that is much, much higher than in the actual population, and I’ve lost track of shows I’ve been watching where they just randomly forced a gay scene or love interest into the story in a really awkward way, as if to check a box of some sort. You know good screenwriting too so I know you’ve noticed it as well. The question is, is it a Hollywood virtue signal or a propaganda campaign of sorts, and if it’s the latter, why? I don’t know these answers, just telling you what I’ve seen.
Does it just feel contrived, though, since aren't used to it? Hetero scenes in movies/TV are normal to us and have been for quite some time. I mean, I can see where maybe more homosexual Hollywood writers are making a point to get scenes, but I also see how what was once taboo isn't anymore, and it's unfamiliar to us. Thus, it may seem forced or contrived. But I see a lot of this focus homosexuality portrayal in media now as more of a "it's okay to be open now so we're going to explore stories we couldn't tell before".
But I also see places where it wasn't a main focus of a show and then it suddenly becomes that because I guess due to audience demographics. IMO, that boils down to poor writing.
I will say that, as we discussed in another thread where you described certain male friends under the thumb of their wives, I do firmly believe that cultural elites are working to stamp out traditional definitions of masculinity, and this trend certainly wouldn’t hurt that.
I can't disagree there with the attack on masculinity. I understand wanting to stamp out toxic masculinity, but I think the target has been well over shot. For instance, I'm not "mansplaining" something to you, woman. I'm informing you of something that you didn't ####### know.
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Re: That gay agenda and stuff - a little poll
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"I don't doubt that some kids are going to claim it to be trendy, but I would wager most aren't and instead feel more comfortable coming (out, I hope you meant--LOL) than kids in the past."
Most every study I've seen that attempts to estimate the percentage of the population that's gay, from modern times, to studies back to early man, have a percent that's around 3% on the low end and 6 or 7 percent on the high end. For as long as I can remember, that range has generally been acknowledged by most as pretty accurate.
Based on what I am seeing in schools anecdotally, and in surveys like the one I listed, for the current 20% or so of Gen Z that identify as LGBTQ to be "born that way" would mean that every single study done on the topic was woefully wrong, and additionally that the evolutionary change happened in a single generation. In the same environment of comfort and acceptance with coming out that the Gen Z's are in, the Millenials are still holding steady identifying at around 10%. To suggest that the massive doubling in these numbers with Gen Z in a single generation is mostly nature-based and evolutionary is just a complete scientific and statistical improbability.
Think about it, if you aren't going to get your asskicked for being gay (like in our HS era, a positive change today, to be sure) than it's about the most harmless form of rebellion and/or attention seeking there is. You don't even have to have a same sex boyfriend or girlfriend or do anything sexual at all with a same sex partner----A couple lines on your insta profile and telling everyone you know that you're now gay (which is what the majority of the kids at my kid's HS do/did) is all it takes to step outside the mainstream and get some newfound recognition.
This isn't to say that there aren't that same 3-6% of kids who truly are gay and don't face the horrible environment they did even 15-20 years ago, and I'm glad that's the case, but it's folly to suggest that suddenly, out of nowhere, one in 5 members of a generation are considering themselves gay by anything other than a conscious, intentional decision. On a certain level, in middle and high schools it is now simply both cool and trendy to identify as LGBTQ, and modern movies, tv shows, music and celebs have painted it as being trendy and cool has played a large part.
It's still a free country, and if that's a choice they make, great, but the water is going to get really muddy when all the gains homosexuals have fought for under the guise of "born that way" (which I believe, btw) are suddenly getting diluted by a lot of people simply opting in to a heretofore protected class because it seems cool.
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Re: That gay agenda and stuff - a little poll
Jan 20, 2023, 3:35 PM
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Yeah, whoopsie on that typo.
I'd have to see the studies on the 3 percent, but again, I'd guess there's some heavy bias in there among people who wouldn't admit it. There were times it could cost you your freedom or your life if you came out.
That 20 percent, I believe, is for all LGBT, not just homosexual.
But let's just assume for a minute that there is a genuine uptick that's resulted from pop culture, social media, rebellion, etc... whatever we want to say. Does that really hurt anything?
The ultimate side effect I would see out of that is a drop in birth rate, which probably wouldn't be a bit of a bad thing for the world at the moment.
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Hurt anything, no, but I think I raised something valid
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along these lines with my last line.
Gay rights, and their status as a protected class (which I'm honestly on the fence about---can't say I totally agree with it as attitudes progress (the protected class status, not the having equal rights part), but it doesn't bother me either----had at it's very core the argument that generally speaking, a solid majority of gay people were born that way, and it is not simply something one could or would choose.
Now if it's the new trendy choice, certainly equal rights could and would still apply, but should blanket protected class status still apply if half or more of a class are in that class on a completely arbitrary basis? It would seem to make it a dubious proposition, as I can't think of any other protected class that one can join simply as a matter of choice.
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And let me be clear for a sec,
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I have gay friends IRL---not a ton, I'm not going to pretend like my life is some giant Benneton ad of massive diversity--but I do have those friends, and on here, I consider 3Time a friend too. With that in mind, I hate discussing this topic sometimes like this because I'd rather have the conversation with her in it than having her come in and read it 10 replies deep.
Just wanna be clear though.....times have changed a TON for the gay population in my lifetime, and when I'm talking about what I'm observing and seeing as the average experience of a middle schooler or high schooler coming out as gay here in 2023, I don't want to unintentionally diminish what I know 3Time and my friends must have had to endure when things weren't quite so accepting. I know there are still hurtful things faced frequently and I don't want to make it sound like saying you're gay in 2023 is just some giant discrimination-free "yippee" for everyone.
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The number of times I've heard of an older dude divorcing
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his wife who he has kids with and coming out as gay is much higher than I thought it would be possible.
Homosexuality is being normalized, and I personally believe that it's a very gray scale of sexuality for a lot of people, so they're coming out as bi or the like, and aren't being ostracized for it.
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Re: That gay agenda and stuff - a little poll
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"...with pawacoot's absurd suggestion that you could encourage kids into beastiality by making them watch a farmer bang a cow."
Not jumping in to comment on or answer the OP questions as there seems to be plenty of that already, but c'mon now Cata... that statement is more than embellishing what I said. It was a FARMHAND getting a kid to watch COWS humping with him. No inter-specie shagging whatsoever.
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Re: That gay agenda and stuff - a little poll
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1. Yes. Your head is in the sand if you think otherwise
2. Yes
3. If they were originally converted to being gay, yes.
4. Don't think it's evil, but I do think kids need to be protected from it for the most part
5. Don't care anything about gay marriage.
6. Adoption is a tricky subject. I think they should be able to adopt, but I also believe that an ideal situation is a mother and father.
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Re: That gay agenda and stuff - a little poll
Jan 20, 2023, 3:36 PM
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1. Why?
2. How?
4. Why would they need to be protected (other than from pornography, sexual acts, etc... I think we can all agree on that, but that also works with straight folks too)?
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You mean back when...
Jan 20, 2023, 3:52 PM
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The public was so anti homosexual that it would have been foolish to put anything in shows or movies?
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Re: That gay agenda and stuff - a little poll
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Jan 20, 2023, 3:57 PM
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-Are homosexual adults actively trying to push kids to be gay? In general no. Have plenty of gay friends and I don't believe any have thought about this.
-Can kids be taught to be homosexual? Yes in the sense they can be taught to at lest try it out. Whether it sticks or not is probably hard-wired.
-Can homosexual kids be converted back to straight? If you are a kid and homosexual because it's a fad on social media, yes you can be converted back. That person will probably self-convert. If you are a kid that's been gay from the get go, probably not.
-Is homosexuality evil and does our society need to protect kids from it? Not inherently evil and do not need to protect kids in general, except I don't think kids should be exposed to it unless they can fully understand what it is.
-Should homosexuals be prohibited from marrying? Or, perhaps, do you feel states should have the right to deny such marriages without federal interference? "Marrying" comes with other rights such as tax filing and inheritance. If a state decided to only allow marriage between man/woman, then the state should provide some other mechanism for couples of any sort to share the same benefits.
-Should we deny homosexual couples the ability to adopt children? Tough question. I think if it is allowed, there is some responsibility of the local or state government to ensure the home environment is healthy.
Are you thinking of coming out? 
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Then why in the heck did you post that
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Jan 20, 2023, 5:58 PM
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dumb phukkin article? Unless you live in Malta.
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Because he felt guilty about joy-posting the links to
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Jan 20, 2023, 6:10 PM
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where they execute gay folks in Iran.
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Re: That gay agenda and stuff - a little poll
Jan 20, 2023, 8:04 PM
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Here goes …
Are homosexual adults actively trying to push kids to be gay? Like, do you think they're trying to recruit new members to the fold?
Some do, most do not.
-Can kids be taught to be homosexual?
They can be taught homosexual behavior. They cannot make the kids like it.
-Can homosexual kids be converted back to straight?
Gay people sometimes go straight; straight people sometimes go gay.
-Is homosexuality evil and does our society need to protect kids from it? And I'm not talking about protecting kids from #### or stuff like that; that can apply to all children for all 18+ material. I'm talking about just simply being gay.
Simply being gay is not evil.
-Should homosexuals be prohibited from marrying? Or, perhaps, do you feel states should have the right to deny such marriages without federal interference?
This is the complicated one.
States should be able to govern as they wish with regards to how and what they issue licenses and of how behaviors (with regard to variables associated with that behavior).
Hunting & fishing licenses: Age restrictions and/or proof of competency (physical skills, mental ‘makeup,’ police record) = state decision.
Use of intoxicants &/or ‘safety of goods’: Min. age, types of ‘approved’ intoxicants (beer, booze, weed, etc) = state decision.
Polygamous marriage: This is really tricky. Based on religious freedom, it should be allowed (states cannot infringe upon religious Liberty … but of course tricky possible exceptions abound.
(*). To get back on the gay marriage / state’s choice thingy:
Non-religious gay marriage (monogamous, no young-uns) - Justice of the Peace type: All States must allow this.
Religious gay marriage (monogamous, no young-uns) - Church marriage: As long as the specific church / parish is OK, then state = yes
Incestuous marriage: Heavens help us if any state sanctions either straight or gay incestuous marriage. I’m punting on this one.
Polygamous straight or gay marriage. Another punt.
‘Under-age marriage - straight: When a young girl gets knocked up, the state may waive its standard marriage age restriction.
‘Under-age’ marriage - gay - male: State’s prerogative; no chance of under-age pregnancy.
‘Under-age marriage - gay - female: State’s prerogative; there is always chance that under-age gay girl who gets knocked up by Bobby Petrino should be granted an exception as long as her marriage partner isn’t also under-age.
-Should we deny homosexual couples the ability to adopt children? This is a state’s prerogative. Adoption is not a constitutional freedom. However, since your question is based on a personal opinion, then I say yes … but the vetting process for adoptive parents needs to be beefed up. (Again, the ‘beefed up’ comment is a digression.)
OK, when are you going to post something fun … should gay men be allowed to try to have babies? … who would you rather see in a pron flick … gay women or …or gay women?
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