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One point losses
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Feb 18, 2024, 8:11 AM
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I mean good grief. Duke, uva, and nc state? I looked it up and the odds are like one in a billion billion. My wife says the universe is trying to tell us that brad’s time is up
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Thats basketball.
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Feb 18, 2024, 8:13 AM
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Good, high level college basketball.
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Or poor coaching especially given the experience level of team
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Feb 18, 2024, 9:05 AM
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Offense seems to lack confidence in end of game situations and drift to one on one plays rather than executing plays that get the ball inside or clean, open shots. This is with 5 players on the court who have 400 + college game experience. Well coached teams and confident players attack press situations where double teams should produce an undefended player with an excellent scoring opportunity.
CBB teams struggle with opposition presses.
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You mean like at the end of the UNC, Syracuse, and Miami games?
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Feb 18, 2024, 10:14 AM
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LOL
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No like Memphis, Duke, UVA, Tech, State and at Miami.
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Feb 18, 2024, 10:35 AM
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Flip State, UVA and Tech and there’s some legitimacy to your point other than being a CBB diehard homer.
Just win close home games.
And LOL
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Re: Thats basketball.
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Feb 18, 2024, 10:03 AM
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In no universe does a one point LOSS represent "Good, high level college basketball".. do you even believe the BS you spit out? What I do know is that you are a good, high level clown.
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My God, do you need to get personal?
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Feb 18, 2024, 10:12 AM
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Does it make you feel like a big man when you personally attack people on the internet?
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Re: My God, do you need to get personal?
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Feb 18, 2024, 11:04 AM
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It makes me feel really good to call out someone who makes an idiotic statement like losing by one point is "Good high level college basketball". I guess losing is the new standard with some of you. The basketball fan base has been fed crap that's called sugar so long that they no longer know the difference, and statements like that prove it. Losing is not the standard. When people stop enabling pathetic coaching and development Clemson basketball will get better. Making excuses like one point losses are suddenly ok is idiotic and caving to the "I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings" crowd.
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Re: My God, do you need to get personal?
Feb 18, 2024, 11:29 AM
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Whatevs.
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No one said that losing is good.
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Feb 18, 2024, 11:31 AM
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I said that last night’s game was good, high level basketball. It was close and competitive.
It stinks to lose, but we lost by inches. It happens. It shouldn’t spark some of you to lose your marbles.
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Re: No one said that losing is good.
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Feb 18, 2024, 2:08 PM
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It happens to Brownell's teams a lot.
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Basketball is not football, yet many of you seem to view it through that lens.
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Feb 18, 2024, 10:20 AM
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There are many upsets every week in college basketball.
Last night’s game was competitive and well-played. There were runs and shifts in momentum. That’s basketball.
I don’t know why some of you expect us to win every game, and act like we are horrible when we lose.
We played a good game overall last night. We certainly weren’t perfect, but we played well enough to win and put ourselves in position at the end. Applaud the effort, congratulate NC State, and work hard to get better.
That’s what this is about. The world isn’t ending because we lost to a solid NC State team.
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Re: Basketball is not football, yet many of you seem to view it through that lens.
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Feb 18, 2024, 11:04 AM
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"work hard to get better."
14 years later we still aren't any better?
No matter how successful our season is we always end up around .500 in ACC and blowing it in the ACCT and or NIT.
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We are a lot better.
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Feb 18, 2024, 11:31 AM
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Which team are you watching?!?
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Re: Basketball is not football, yet many of you seem to view it through that lens.
Feb 18, 2024, 11:11 AM
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Just so we are all clear guys this is "high level college basketball" according to some in the Clemson basketball fanbase. Case closed.
Overall Conference
Rk Season Conf W L W-L% W L W-L% SRS SOS PS/G PA/G AP Pre AP High AP Final NCAA Tournament Seed Coach(es)
1 2023-24 ACC 17 8 .680 7 7 .500 15.67 8.83 78.8 72.0 13 Brad Brownell (17-8)
2 2022-23 ACC 23 11 .676 14 6 .700 10.53 3.71 74.7 67.9 19 Brad Brownell (23-11)
3 2021-22 ACC 17 16 .515 8 12 .400 9.59 6.31 71.7 68.5 Brad Brownell (17-16)
4 2020-21 ACC 16 8 .667 10 6 .625 12.49 9.49 64.9 61.9 12 Lost NCAA Tournament First Round 7 Brad Brownell (16-8)
5 2019-20 ACC 16 15 .516 9 11 .450 10.26 7.88 66.5 64.1 Brad Brownell (16-15)
6 2018-19 ACC 20 14 .588 9 9 .500 13.85 8.99 68.8 63.9 22 16 Brad Brownell (20-14)
7 2017-18 ACC 25 10 .714 11 7 .611 17.16 9.25 73.8 65.9 11 20 Lost NCAA Tournament Regional Semifinal 5 Brad Brownell (25-10)
8 2016-17 ACC 17 16 .515 6 12 .333 13.22 9.98 74.8 71.5 Brad Brownell (17-16)
9 2015-16 ACC 17 14 .548 10 8 .556 12.03 6.87 69.6 64.5 Brad Brownell (17-14)
10 2014-15 ACC 16 15 .516 8 10 .444 7.73 7.18 62.7 62.2 Brad Brownell (16-15)
11 2013-14 ACC 23 13 .639 10 8 .556 11.08 5.97 63.5 58.4 Brad Brownell (23-13)
12 2012-13 ACC 13 18 .419 5 13 .278 5.85 4.46 61.5 60.1 Brad Brownell (13-18)
13 2011-12 ACC 16 15 .516 8 8 .500 7.31 3.41 64.5 60.6 Brad Brownell (16-15)
14 2010-11
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Yes, we have among the most quad 1 and 2 wins nationally this year.
Feb 18, 2024, 11:33 AM
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We have played a very tough schedule and have a high NET.
That’s high level basketball, no matter how much you and others don’t want it to be.
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So not managing the clock well is "good, high level college basketball?"***
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Feb 18, 2024, 10:15 AM
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We managed the clock well.
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Feb 18, 2024, 10:20 AM
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Where do some of you come up with this stuff?!?
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We had one timeout left
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Feb 18, 2024, 10:27 AM
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That we could have used to get a better shot. But Brad decided to rush the game, causing Hunter to take a bad shot, costing us the game.
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Hunter got to the front of the rim.
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Feb 18, 2024, 11:34 AM
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He had a good look and missed by inches.
No timeout and play call would’ve gotten us a better look.
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Re: Hunter got to the front of the rim.
Feb 18, 2024, 4:29 PM
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A miss is a miss🙄
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Re: We had one timeout left
Feb 18, 2024, 2:33 PM
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Judge has never coached BB . .he doesn't understand.
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Re: We had one timeout left
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Feb 18, 2024, 2:58 PM
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I’ve posted before that not calling a time out in that situation is not a bad strategy. You basically have two good strategies to use under 10 seconds after an opponent’s basket or in transition.
You can get the ball to midcourt and call a timeout giving you a chance to run a set play with maybe 4 or 5 seconds left. That’s a good strategy. But that also gives the defense a chance to get the personnel in the game they want and set up a defense against you.
Or you can forego the timeout and make the defense play in transition with the personnel they have on the court. That’s what we did last night, and it was a good strategy as well. Chase drove the lane, put up a shot in close (although it appeared to me he tried too hard to draw contact imho), and we had two guys there for the tip in (Schefflin & PJ). They just missed the “easy” tip in. I rewatched it several times and it appeared they both tipped the ball.
Just because it failed didn’t mean the strategy was bad. The execution was bad. I don’t blame the loss on the final play. We put ourselves in a bad situation with poor decisions and play before that. I mean, we led by 12 with under 5 minutes to go. No way that should come down to a missed tip in at the buzzer, especially on our home court.
Now why we consistently put ourselves in situations like that and execute poorly, well many people have expressed opinions about that. I just want us learn to close out games and make a run. I think we have the pieces to do that.
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Re: We managed the clock well.
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If giving up 5 unanswered points after taking a 4 pt lead with 61 seconds left while committing 2 turnovers and using no timeouts is good clock management it explains a lot about why you think Brad is a good coach.
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Re: Thats basketball.
Feb 18, 2024, 10:23 AM
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foolishness
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Re: Thats basketball.
Feb 18, 2024, 10:30 AM
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No. It’s called losing more games as a favorite than any other team in the ACC other than BC during his tenure.
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Re: Thats basketball.
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Feb 18, 2024, 10:33 AM
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Losing 5 straight one possession games, two of them to bad basketball teams on our home court, is not high level basketball.
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Our national rank says otherwise.***
Feb 18, 2024, 11:35 AM
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Re: Our national rank says otherwise.***
Feb 18, 2024, 11:54 AM
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What national rank? The "also receiving votes" national rank? Which we probably won't be after this week.
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Re: Our national rank says otherwise.***
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We're not nationally ranked. We're living off of the performance of a team that disappeared after the new year. We played well in the non-conference but since then we've struggled to hit shots, struggled to stay engaged defensively, and have gotten progressively worse as the season's gone on.
We were an extremely old team which helped us enter the season well into form as other, younger teams were still figuring things out. Now that they've started figuring things out we're struggling to compete at a high level consistently. We've played 25 games. We were 11-1 in the first 12 and are 6-7 in the last 13. That's the sign of a team that's trending strongly in the wrong direction. You can try to pretend otherwise but the results just don't agree with you.
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High level basketball is great
Feb 18, 2024, 11:01 AM
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and I love it. But you gotta win. This team needs to turn on the jets and make a run in the dance or it sadly might be time to move on.
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Re: Thats basketball.
Feb 18, 2024, 11:50 AM
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Good, high level college basketball.
It’s NOT HIGH LEVEL when you consistently LOSE 1 Point Games (Especially at Home)!!!!!!!!
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Re: That's Brownell basketball.
Feb 18, 2024, 3:07 PM
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Fixed it for you. You're welcome.
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Re: One point losses
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and the GT OT . Not a one point loss but inexcusable at home. We have been ok on the road this year but not so hot at LJ
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Smart woman. Refs need to pay for
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Feb 18, 2024, 9:06 AM
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Their 6 kids education.
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Brad has consistently led ACC coaching in being on the wrong end
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Feb 18, 2024, 10:48 AM
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of one-possession games throughout his tenure here. It's been a maddening shortcoming that plays out season after season with little variance. These become those couple of games each season that put us on the outside looking in when it's all said and done. In his prior stints versus coaching talent more to his level, his record in these one possession games was much closer in line to his more impressive overall record there. Since competing against ACC level coaching peers, his consistent failure rate here is what mires us in the middle.
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Re: Brad has consistently led ACC coaching in being on the wrong end
Feb 18, 2024, 2:29 PM
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What is your definition of consistency and do you have data to support vs the rest of the ACC? Not holding my breath.
But I will agree, “maddening” is a great term for it.
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Re: Brad has consistently led ACC coaching in being on the wrong end
Feb 18, 2024, 3:45 PM
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I looked this up when clem mount (RIP) assured everyone it just seemed like it a few years ago after that brutal double digit blown lead to BC late where they topped us at the buzzer. The stats were worse than I thought. Brad is consistently within 3 spots if not the bottom - consistent meaning 10 of 13+ seasons. Last year was a major outlier at 4-2, losing the first two to start then winning 4 straight - that kind of success leads to record years like we had in league, even if it still didn't deliver an NCAA bid. That outlier is evening itself back out this season apparently.
I've posted those numbers here before. If you want to verify it may take an hour looking at season results over the years for Brad and his rival ACC coaches and keeping score.
Go Tigers.
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Re: Brad has consistently led ACC coaching in being on the wrong end
Feb 18, 2024, 4:28 PM
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I get that, but your previous comment specially states the wrong end of one possession losses in the ACC. With little variance from season to season. Assuming by variance, that you mean lack of improvement or getting worse.
Is this your stated fact? Or did I misread? Thanks.
That BC game was a tough pill to swallow. Was glad when we picked up Galloway, although too late.
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Re: Brad has consistently led ACC coaching in being on the wrong end
Feb 18, 2024, 5:46 PM
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Wrong end = Losing end.
Look up the numbers yourself in W/L charts of Brownell and ACC peers alongside.
Little variance = Fits category 10/13 (going on 11/14) like clockwork save for an outlier like last season, as I was clear about.
Nuff on this. Look it up.
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Re: Brad has consistently led ACC coaching in being on the wrong end
Feb 18, 2024, 7:12 PM
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One possession games in ACC (+/- 3 points). Is that what your original post stated?
I see Brownell as 24% before 2020 (10-31) and 50% since (11-11)
4-0 last year
0-4 this year
If I'm wrong, my apologies. Just trying to understand the comment.
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Re: One point losses
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Like i said
Feb 18, 2024, 3:02 PM
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A billion billion to one those three games end like that
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Re: One point losses
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I posted on another thread and I will probably get attacked…I truly believe our inability to close out close games is a culture problem. I think Brad does a plenty good enough job of X’s and O’s Putting players in position to win. Execution at the end and closing out tight games is all about confidence. I personally think it’s a culture glitch. Even Brad looks like he’s gripping and going “oh no not again” if you watch his mannerisms at the end of games. Bowden could not win games he should win consistently. That was not a talent issue it was a confidence/culture issue. I think this is the same deal.
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I cant say what the cause is
Feb 18, 2024, 3:20 PM
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But it seems like somehow we are more susceptible to these brutal losses than we should be. It’s like . . . The odds should be a billion billion to one . . . but obviously they aren’t. Something is leaving us more exposed than we ought to be
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Re: I cant say what the cause is
Feb 18, 2024, 3:34 PM
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Read what I said again. It’s beyond having bad luck. It’s not that players aren’t put into position to win. You put the ball in the hands of your best foul shooter up by 2 with seconds to go. He not only turns it over but commits a stupid foul! He’s been mega clutch the entire game. Always struggling in the clutch is not a talent problem. Its not even an X and O problem. It’s a culture problem, which is a coaching problem.
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Read what i said again
Feb 18, 2024, 4:31 PM
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And don’t miss the part between the lines
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Have we had enough?
Feb 18, 2024, 3:50 PM
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Those guys actually go away
Feb 18, 2024, 4:39 PM
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And if we use history as our guide, the odds of brad sharing their fate are . . . Even less than a billion billion to one.
But a turkey is convinced it’s got the good life until thanksgiving. Maybe this is more of a turkey situation
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