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The Shipley/Spiller head butt is just one more symptom
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of the ingrained competitiveness of Clemson's Football program, and the overall personal qualities long since mentored by Coach Swinney.
Yet it will be publicly misunderstood by some.... That’s because, over the years, TNET has taken the high-risk decision to allow generationally talented commenters like Rev Dodd, Joe21, ShoelessCU, 71PR, KIPTAY, and others from the 70's, 80's, and 90's that I regrettably cannot name by memory, to be replaced with youngsters and keyboard hacks lacking worldly experience and better-rounded perspectives, lacking basic maturity and self-awareness. The overall talent here for commenting and even-handed analysis seems to have been eroded gradually with each new trophy won by Coach Swinney. That this was masked for a couple of years by the simple joy we shared in winning now seems obvious.
Yes, there will be naysayers to my proposition, childishly defensive types who deflect rather than introspect; and I'm thinking it's just inexperienced, uber-teened, petty-minded couch potatoes that's the problem. Raw, former 2A high-school football backups; failed soccer team members graduated to never-heard-from-again garage band dropouts; and over-indulged never-were’s whose well-off daddies coached them in hacky-sack until age 19, is no doubt the talent pool drawn from too often now. Indeed, where are the philosophers, and poets, and mountaintop prophets?
Clearly, these new commenters just don't truly Respect the mountain that was climbed as Coach Swinney's program achieved the fragile heights of the last 12 years. They don't Respect the absolute commitment shown by its Head Coach, its players, its staffers and families, and yes, even its Assistant Coaches, in those untold and unseen multitudes of hours necessary to prepare repetitively CFP-worthy teams.
Further, these commenters seem to have no Respect for the personal effort and insight it takes to mature as a true fan while benefitting from such glory either. Instead, they'd rather pop-off at any childish emotion they can formulate like they never outgrew the terrible-two’s.
They have literally no idea of the Men of the Clemson Football Program: indeed, “brothers in manhood” as from our Alma Mater; brothers in a world that actively devalues Men virtually every step of every day. They have no idea that these are Men in a struggle for Life, not headlines; a struggle for true achievement, not overrated prime-time glitz. That's why they're not in Boulder, and not in Tallahassee, and not in College Station or Oxford or Knoxville or Athens.
Instead, that's why they're here where the Blue Ridge yawns its greatness, where the mountains smile in grandeur, where the Tigers reign supreme....
Comments made by Veteran TNET-ters reveal this, their frustration not being with the team, but instead with loud-mouth, barely Coot-worthy fans. Without wholesale changes by some on this site, overly-emotional commenters will continue to exhibit frustration in the most profane and inappropriate ways. I hope B-Meist and Crump have the guts to take out the Trash now, and all of it – to have the guts for the drastic changes necessary to fix these issues today.
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Blah, blah, blah.***
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can you believe that his post got 22 likes
Sep 17, 2023, 11:17 PM
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i'm about to quit TNET for the season
this is not the off season crowd lol
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Heisman Winner [119760]
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^^^OP joined tnet in 2020^^^***
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Standout [340]
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OP is the 3rd of 4 Clemson generations
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who spent the West to Bowden years in places neither you nor B-meist can know about. As such, I've never been a fan of using the term "pulse" to represent fandom. But yours is real shiny, no doubt.....
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Heisman Winner [119760]
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Lets see oldmike, this poster has watched Tiger FB
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Sep 17, 2023, 1:17 PM
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In DV since Coach Howard’s last years, my grandad was first in our family at Clemson during WW1.
Don’t be so pompous…
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you're the one who called out my background, pumpkin
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Sep 17, 2023, 1:53 PM
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I only responded to you. If you don't want the answer, don't get snotty with the question.
And by the way, asking for "respect" from a bunch of big mouths is hardly "pompous", it's just common sense and sportsmanship.
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Heisman Winner [119760]
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Are you daft? Called out your background? When?
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Sep 17, 2023, 2:38 PM
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You’re a noob in here and one not well respected it seems.
Get off your high horse, it’s not welcome here…
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Standout [340]
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I'd say pointing out I've only been here since 2020
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Sep 17, 2023, 2:51 PM
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is indeed "calling out my background".
And I personally don't care for being "well-respected" on a Clemson site that seems intent on protecting whiney beattches.
Again, you want to suggest that my post is about being pretentious or such. No; maybe I'm just waiting for the know-it-alls to grow a little maturity instead of whining about everything they can find.
So what Spiller and Shipley yelled at each other, maybe even brushed up against each other? I bet Danny Ford laughed out loud when he saw people make a big deal about that. Danny had that carp happen 3-5 times a game in his day, and he was involved 80% of the time.
It's called "competitiveness"
and you flipping Dolly Madisons can turn your cooking show back on now instead of interrupting our Football game.
smfdh
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Heisman Winner [119760]
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Could care less about your background
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Sep 17, 2023, 3:04 PM
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But you are a NOOB in here mentioning revered tnetters like you’re one of them.
What you are is a 68% crybaby…,
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LOL, ok, I'm a NOOB, whatever 3rd-graders say a noob is now
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Sep 17, 2023, 3:26 PM
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what then are you: the former 2A high school backup,
or the combo failed soccer team member and garage band dropout,
or the over-indulged never-were coached by Daddy in hacky-sack until you were 19?
Never mind: it's clear you're the childishly defensive type who deflects rather than introspects.
Go on about whatever is your business is, pumpkin, because if you're someone who's concerned about a group-hug "pulse",
then you're not someone I'm concerned about at all.
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Lot o points [155978]
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Lol. Now I know you never watched Clemson before the 90s.
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A) a player wouldn’t have tried that crap with Danny or his staff.
B) if they did, it would have been the only time they got to try it.
You can go ahead and keep coddling Ship just like his mommy did all his life. You’re probably one those parents who high fives their kids when they get in trouble for swearing at the teacher cause it makes em a winner!!!
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LOFL, who's "coddling Ship"?
Sep 17, 2023, 4:11 PM
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If you can read.... IF
then you will see that my only point was that people needed not to make a big deal out of nothing, and also needed to stop the beattching about every little issue.
Quoting: "The Shipley/Spiller head butt is just one more symptom of the ingrained competitiveness of Clemson's Football program, and the overall personal qualities long since mentored by Coach Swinney.
Yet it will be publicly misunderstood by some....
Clearly, these new commenters just don't truly Respect the mountain that was climbed as Coach Swinney's program achieved the fragile heights of the last 12 years. They don't Respect the absolute commitment shown by its Head Coach, its players, its staffers and families, and yes, even its Assistant Coaches, in those untold and unseen multitudes of hours necessary to prepare repetitively CFP-worthy teams.
They have literally no idea of the Men of the Clemson Football Program: indeed, “brothers in manhood” as from our Alma Mater..."
If you can't read that, then you don't need to be on an internet Board.
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Re: LOFL, who's "coddling Ship"?
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I think it is a big deal. It's called a loss of composure and not an act of competitiveness. We saw it from Beaux, we saw it from Kitchens at Duke wagging his finger at the crowd after a tackle while we were 3 TDs down late in the game, etc.
This team lacks discipline and part of this is player maturity and part of it is coaching. Things just don't look right from a team who is historically very disciplined and well coached. You never saw Dabo putting up with any of this in the past.
There is just a different look this year and I hope it starts to get corrected against FSU.
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Re: LOFL, who's "coddling Ship"?
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they don't have to discuss disciplinary action. We'll have no idea what came of that unless they choose to divulge. One of the best indicators of team "discipline" however is penalties. We're tied for 9th in the country.
9th Fewest Penalties
11th Fewest Penalties Yards
If we stay top 20 that would be the best in Dabo's tenure. In our 6 year CFP run we were 32, 83, 33, 27, 28, and 51. We were 49 and 61st in the DJU era - a time when we could ill afford it. Sheer talent probably hid some issues in 2016 when we gave up an average of 58 yards a game in penalties.
Even more ridiculous - we gave up 65 yards in penalties to VT in the ACC championship and 72 against Ohio State. We tightened up dramatically in the championship game against Alabama. We gave up 35 yards to there 82. Discipline is pretty important.
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BC says you're full of Larry Shyatt.
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Re: BC says you're full of Larry Shyatt.
Sep 18, 2023, 7:58 AM
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Lighten up Francis!
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Told you we suck! Wait, what?..
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20th in offense. New QB, new coach, new system.
8th in defense.
And, gasp, 9th in fewest penalties.
If we didn’t crap the bed inside the 5 yd line against Dook, then maybe some of these dudes would see the forest through the trees.
Cade is starting to get it. TCU took a moment with a veteran QB.
Defense has been good, obviously a big test this weekend. All 3 levels have players flashing. They are loaded with talent, and we’ll see a solid scheme and more fire this weekend for sure. We have some dudes really amping up their games on this side of the ball.
The offense is gaining it’s stride. Cade is slowing down and we’re finding several good receivers now that we have a QB who can deliver the ball accurately and on time. Granted he’s not a ready made NFL guy, but he’s got great skills. It’s slowing down for him now, I’m positive the offense will keep learning this system and moving forward.
There are some athletes stepping forward on both sides of the ball, and they’ll be chomping at the bit by Saturday morning.
So yeah, it’s not as bad as some folks want to believe. Let’s go!
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LOL, your pulse is lower than mine...
Sep 17, 2023, 10:41 PM
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you must be one of them dang Commie, Union-paying Libertarians!
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Its a short to the point story since I started here...
Sep 17, 2023, 10:50 PM
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Pulse was nailed by my good buddy {not to named} when I first got here, and it was destroyed from the jump.
But I won’t go on any longer, otherwise that buddy may start going using that thumb thing again 😊
It’s all good, it’s just an arbitrary, easily manipulated number, but it’s not a true sign of the man behind the username. It’s not necessarily a character measure. Never understood why some guys put so much merit in it, but oh well.
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LOL.... my post was purely in jest...
Sep 17, 2023, 11:10 PM
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they can sit on the down-button if they want to. Doesn't bother me in the least. I think most people can tell from my posts, LOL....
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They actually can't tell because your writing style
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is strangely verbose, your syntax is unclear, and it all comes off about half as clever as you think it is. Quit trying to be a wordsmith and just try to concisely convey your thoughts and that will take you far.
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Lot o points [155978]
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Translation: Your Clemson fanhood began around 1997,
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Sep 17, 2023, 5:41 PM
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You have no sense of perspective on the program, and you've convinced yourself that Dabo is the best thing to happen to the entire University to the point that your cognitive dissonance extends to you painting a player getting physical with a coach during a game on national TV as proof of Dabo's excellence.
I'm just glad you imprinted on Dabo and not Jim Jones.
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you can make poorly-fabricated assumptions
Sep 17, 2023, 6:03 PM
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about my background all you want. The fact that you can't get one fact right is only your problem, not mine.
As to Jim Jones, I've fought destructive "leaders" like him my whole life. The fact that you bring such a tool up in such a frivolous way is also just your problem.
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Re: Translation: Your Clemson fanhood began around 1997,
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The oldest Clemson fan on the planet would acknowledge that Dabo is the best football coach and his success has led to the biggest financial windfall and growth of the University's profile in history or he's gone senile. I didn't really get the same take away from the op. I didn't like the appearance but I think it's the kind of thing that is handled internally. It doesn't require explanation or suspension. If it happens again I expect we'll see Shipley hit to portal. They didn't hesitate to point Lyn-J to the portal when he was throwing attitude around. And depth seemed more of an issue than it does now. I feel like Mafah can be an every down back and backups are showing they can certainly fill in as necessary.
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Bingo!***
Sep 17, 2023, 10:42 PM
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Re: Translation: Your Clemson fanhood began around 1997,
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Those backups keep running the way they are,they're not going to be backups for long. I've enjoyed watching quad and hammerhead run the rock.
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Let's just point out that Shipley yelled at an Asst Coach
Sep 17, 2023, 5:37 PM
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and not the Head Coach.
Shipley neither yelled at Swinney, nor at Ford.
As far as I am concerned, Shipley yelling at Spiller, and Spiller yelling at Shipley is all for nought. Spiller is Shipley's immediate boss, and sometimes feelings need to be vented and hashed out. Not being honest about frustrations never gets them solved. Is there a better way for Shipley to do it? Possibly. But maybe not while someone is yelling at you from the sideline as you're getting ready to face a 4th down.
So, nothing to see here, just pure competitiveness and being in the moment, for the both of them.
Trying to make suggestions about team "composure" or "discipline" is horse-hockey with a capital S, H, and T.
Having said that, if I were Shipley, I'd make sure to find Mr. Spiller on Sunday and apologize. He is the boss, after all.
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he literally couldn't cross the goal line twice
Sep 17, 2023, 11:15 PM
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against FAU
FAU
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and starting yelling at coach to give him the ball
lol i mean , Coach Streeter didn't give it to Shipley for a reason in Carolina .
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Lot o points [155978]
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TLDR. What a noob.***
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olemike59
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sign me up TiGER!
Good & needed rant towards those younguns who don’t have a clue~
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Re: The Shipley/Spiller head butt is just one more symptom
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Wow....all that and you never mentioned the subject of the rant. I think the username SirWhineALot is still available.
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Re: The Shipley/Spiller head butt is just one more symptom
Sep 17, 2023, 3:01 PM
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Although I feel very much the same with respect to some of the tnet posters, I will agree with you. I am still looking for anything on the Spiller/Ship matter.
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Re: The Shipley/Spiller head butt is just one more symptom
Sep 17, 2023, 12:11 PM
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Your statement that began with "Yes, there will be naysayers to my proposition", pretty much describes the internet as a whole. It's the world we live in.
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that's why we have 2A...
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Sep 17, 2023, 12:38 PM
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it's called natural selection, and it worked for millions of years before the Internet came along.
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The internet gave you a platform for your dumbassery
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What a child
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You know what Dave, you, an unabashed Liberal, having
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something to say about how to run a Football program is
like a Cow Pattie telling a Cow how to Sheatt.
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You are a complete ####### with no football experience
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Sep 17, 2023, 9:10 PM
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Go back to your moms basement.
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yeah, she's laughing at you right now - well 10 minutes ago
Sep 17, 2023, 10:12 PM
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she, like I, know that Mom lives in my basement apartment. Hope you don't mind that I pay her rent...
Thanks for the laugh though. It twas a good'un.
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Re: The Shipley/Spiller head butt is just one more symptom
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Agreed.
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Re: The Shipley/Spiller head butt is just one more symptom
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Wait a minute, I have to open a window. I’ll be right back.
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Did you start to sense your rotting soul?
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Change can happen at any age. Even near death. 🤞
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Re: The Shipley/Spiller head butt is just one more symptom
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I am a mountaintop prophet who also happened to play 2 seasons of JV raquetball at the 3A level. Where do I fit in your pantheon of tigernet users and abusers ole mike?
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you're better than the wall***
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What was the handle you used when those cats posted?***
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Re: The Shipley/Spiller head butt is just one more symptom
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Re: The Shipley/Spiller head butt is just one more symptom
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Lay off the sauce, too preachy.
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If I must remind, it is Sunday,
Sep 17, 2023, 6:22 PM
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and clearly those on here can use a little "come to Jesus" since they didn't make the normal preaching.
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Lot o points [155978]
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Lulz. Like that "hey ChatGPT write like RevDodd lite"
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Tirade was Come to Jesus for anyone. Whatta try-hard.
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Nope, nope, Rev Dodd is/was in a class by himself
Sep 17, 2023, 10:20 PM
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Don't know about you, but I don't play with talking blow-up dolls.
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Freshman [-79]
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Great post.
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Sep 17, 2023, 10:38 PM
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Don’t always agree with you, but this is spot on.
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Asst Coach [707]
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Re: The Shipley/Spiller head butt is just one more symptom
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Sep 17, 2023, 11:28 PM
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Too long, didn't read.
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CU Guru [1143]
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Wow things escalated quickly around here
Sep 18, 2023, 3:04 PM
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NM
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