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TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
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He is basically saying we don't have the talent right that we need now. We are playing with what we have.
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
Oct 9, 2023, 4:51 PM
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So how can all these other sorry teams run their offense?
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
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Oct 9, 2023, 11:31 PM
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I watched Louisville beat ND. They looked like they were playing a different game.Speed and an attacking defense. Clemson has a ways to go.
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
Oct 9, 2023, 5:32 PM
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Our offense was better with less talent (Davis Allen excepted).
So it took G.Riley six games into the season for him to figure out that our personnel at Clemson is ‘different’ from what he enjoyed at TCU last year …
Had it not been for inflated offensive stats thanks to Chas Southern and FL Atlantic, we’d be averaging about 20 points per game.
B.Streeter is gradually acquiring acclaim as an offensive guru. Next time he sees G.Riley, he’ll say ‘thank you.’
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
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Oct 9, 2023, 5:50 PM
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It didn’t take him that long to figure that out. He knew but there’s only so much a n offensive coordinator can do. It is what it is.
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
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I think that everyone should stop listening to or making up excuses for what's happening with our team bc if anybody is looking for Riley to tell it like it really is, well, he's not going to say that we have better players than what he had at TCU and that our biggest problem is getting this inexperienced coaching staff to understand what he wants from them and coach his system the way he expects them to coach it. He's not going to blare out that Dabo hire to many inexperienced coaches and that it's hurting the team as a whole bc he is having to coach players and try his best to coach up the staff, and it has him overloaded bc of the time he is allowed to spend with the team per NCAA rules. I bet he is constantly shaking his head and mumbling to himself, what in the h&ll did I get myself into. If he starts looking like he's going bald by season end, it's bc he is pulling his hair out from displeasure of the coaching staff!!! If Dabo don't fix it, he will be long gone probably before next season starts...
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
Oct 11, 2023, 10:33 PM
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And here is the crazy…the guy with the most experience was fired, and someone with less experience was hired.
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Re: Hm. Wonder where we could go to get some talent?***
Oct 10, 2023, 12:51 AM
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Talented experienced coaches won't be available until season end, that is what you're asking about right, bc that's a major problem, the coaching staff needs to have with at least 5-10 years of coaching experience in a power 5 program. We have 10 on the field coaches, and I think that 6 of those have less than 5 years of power 5 coaching experience, and 3 or 4 of our on the field coaches have less than 5 years of mid major coaching experience coaching teams like the below link!!!
https://www.midmajormadness.com/pages/mid-major-teams-by-conference Mid-Major Teams by Conference With all the movement in the conferences over the past few years, maybe you would like a reference to who is where. We have you covered
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
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Oct 9, 2023, 3:01 PM
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So...as soon as we unhook the plow, things will be better, but we can't unhook the plow until we play better? Should a metaphor obscure what thoughts are trying to be expressed or clarify? Not sure what he was going for...
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
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Oct 9, 2023, 3:05 PM
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Maybe we should never connect the plow.
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
Oct 10, 2023, 8:16 AM
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My question has become: who is the plow?
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
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Oct 9, 2023, 3:02 PM
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Well he is absolutely right in that you can only do what your players can do so he has got to continue to see what we can do best with what we have. Right now we still are not good enough to do what we want so we have to let the defense dictate it to us - deep ball against SYR and short stuff against Wake because we weren't good enough in either game to do what WE wanted. When we had the option of Lawrence to Tee or Amari vs pitch it to ETN we didn't care what the defense did. Now we don't a TL16, we don't have any speed in the backfield and we don't have big or fast receivers to break the game open so we just have to find what the guys we have can do best. AND in every game this year, that would have been enough had we held onto the ball. Hopefully they all carry a ball with them 24/7 over the next two weeks and learn how to take care of it - we aren't good enough to keep handing it to the other team.
I believe it was John Wooden that said he always found that he was a better coach when he had better players.
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
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Oct 9, 2023, 4:29 PM
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Yep. Kareem and Bill Walton sure made John Wooden look like a genius.
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
Oct 9, 2023, 8:59 PM
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Well said, so +1, and I do believe Garrett can get us there. I think we are getting close to being there, but we are NOT there, yet. IMO, and this is a well beaten “Dead Horse”, but our “weakest link”, still, is our OL. We must get that fixed, if we really want to get back to being the Champion. Get it fixed, and we really are back.
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
Oct 9, 2023, 3:03 PM
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Gotta get Real WRs who are bad #####.. not these short slow WRs.
Don’t get me wrong we have some speed but not what we have had in years past
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Speed is lacking more than ever, lol. What are you talking about??***
Oct 9, 2023, 4:31 PM
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
Oct 9, 2023, 6:13 PM
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Our speed at WR this year is better than it was last year.
Cole Turner barely played last year; out for season this year. As far as WR speed in 2022 vs 2023, this one is a wash.
A.Randall is supposedly a smidgen faster, and supposedly can make sharper cuts this year vs last year.
With new FR T.Brown and his obvious speed in a prominent role at WR, this makes us significantly faster than last year.
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
Oct 9, 2023, 3:04 PM
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I am not sold on Riley yet. Time will tell.
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Doesn't sound real promising.***
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So yes, it's the same offense.***
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
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Oct 9, 2023, 3:13 PM
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Wait a minute - Plow has 4 letters and so does Dabo! Plus there is an O in each one. He is speaking in code saying somebody needs to unhook Dabo’s headset while we are on offense. Riddle solved.
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Riley said its his offense?
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Oct 9, 2023, 3:14 PM
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Dabo said it isn’t Riley’s offense, but Clemson’s offense.
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3 word easy answer........TALENT, TALENT, TALENT
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Oct 9, 2023, 3:22 PM
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so........why don't we have the talent?........coaching??......development??......recruiting misses???
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Agreed, that was my read of this statement.
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Oct 9, 2023, 3:55 PM
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The WR misses with Ladson, Ngata, both of the Collinses (sorry Beaux), DJ (at least in terms of fit for the "Clemson offense") and Cade's slow development are the fundamental issues. Averaging fewer points/yards per game with Wake, Duke, Charleston Southern, and FAU on the schedule implies there's a huge lack of talent/development Riley will have to overcome. A healthy Williams should help, but seems like we desperately need to hit on a couple WRs this recruiting cycle...or dare I say add an experienced portal WR.
After watching Etienne and Trevor this past Sunday win against Buffalo, vs the UVA (Tony), USF (Jeff), and Arkansas (Chad) offensive coaching tree struggles...we're reminded about the importance of Jimmys and Joes vs Xs and Os and what wins ballgames.
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He has only coached six games at Clemson
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and has been here less than a year. This is a coach most of y'all were afraid was going to leave after two years/head coach in waiting. Now he can't take a crap without getting criticized. On a positive note, good to see another coach on the Clemson campus getting the Brad Brownell treatment. The Lunatic Fringe is alive in well. The Lunatic Fringe will never ever be satisfied. Ever.
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Re: Receivers Should Know Things After Camp Was Over ---
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So they don't know the plays..... can't block... don't know how to attack a lobbed up pass.... can't get seperation consistently..and don't know how to run routes???
Its like we're some start up college or laughing stock expansion team.
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
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Oct 9, 2023, 3:56 PM
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This shouldn't be an issue, we have 4 and 5* talent all over the field. Just run your #### REAL offense in the game and see what happens. I swear this coaching staff OVER-THINKS everything! Just turn it loose!...how the hell can it be any worse than holding it back like it is now!??
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
Oct 10, 2023, 7:21 AM
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We don't have the players capable of doing that, is his point.
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
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Oct 9, 2023, 4:02 PM
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So tired of this “we got who we got” BS from these coaches….who’s fault is that anyways??
Riley doesn’t sound very encouraging.
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
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Oct 9, 2023, 4:31 PM
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We run the same 10 plays, plus the bubble screen, every game. The opponents know what is coming. One of the defensive players on one of opponents team last year stated that they knew what was coming every play.
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
Oct 10, 2023, 11:49 AM
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If they can't execute simple things like bubble screens, how are they expected to run more complicated stuff?
Personally speaking if I'm a coach, I'm not moving on to more intricate plays until I know my players have got the basics down pat. This is a new coach to the program, and implementing a new coach's way of doing things takes more than 1 offseason and 6 games.
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
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Oct 9, 2023, 4:28 PM
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Throw out the two stat padder games and this is the line:
394.5 YPG
19.75 PPG
5.19 YPP
Not quite as impressive.
Bottom line is Clemson has no speed that scares anyone. And the Air Raid doesn’t work if you don’t have the jets.
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
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Oct 9, 2023, 4:31 PM
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We do have propellers.
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Reads to me as we simply don't have any WRs
Oct 9, 2023, 4:43 PM
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Not stretching the field and not scaring anybody. I hope the bye week really helps tune #### up
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bye week isn't going to fix our WR problem***
Oct 9, 2023, 4:45 PM
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Re: bye week isn't going to fix our WR problem***
Oct 9, 2023, 4:46 PM
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We should get Stellato rested, Williams back, brown more installed, etc... It can only help
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I'm just here for the comments....
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
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What I am hearing:
The “plow” is Shipley and Mafah, and short passes - the only two options that work somewhat consistently in this offense.
Unhooking the plow would mean passes over the middle or downfield. Right now if we try to do that we consistently have either: a lineman misses a block, or a back misses a pick up block, or our generally sloth like receivers are not open, or Cade feels fantom pressure and always scrambles right (Kyle Parker mode). The end results of this inconsistency are consistently: a sack, or Cade panics and drops the ball, or Cade panics and throws it right to the other team, or Cade panics and scrambles right and loses 7 yards. I’m not ragging on Cade. He’s young and does not handle the consistently inconsistent play of the other units well right now. I think he has the talent to be elite. I do not think the other units have the elite talent to ever fully facilitate plow unhooking. So, just like Streeter had done, Riley hooks up the plow again because it is our best chance to win. Our backs are solid. They ARE NOT game breakers. The story here is poor recruiting evaluations, too many recruiting misses and poor player development. This team has no scrary playmakers. We must do everything the hard way. We have no margin of error. Deshaun and Trevor teams could score from any point on the field and routinely put together 1 minute drives. This team does not have that capability.
Hopefully this staff will go recruit, NIL and portal harder. Until that happens it will be more of the same.
Having said all of this, adding 1 (or better 2) Sammy Watkins type playmakers and Cade gaining experience could be the difference in this team being elite or average. Our defense is still elite. Tyler Brown will be a problem for defenses if he only had some help.
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
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Oct 9, 2023, 5:20 PM
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So TCU had more speed and a better OL.
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
Oct 9, 2023, 5:29 PM
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They had an experienced QB who didn’t make terrible miscues when things went south. They had an NFL receiver and yes, much more talent at WR overall. They had consistency on the offensive line. We have a tackle problem. Our tackles miss too many blocks on slower developing passes and are inconsistent on run blocking. Riley calls it “playing with 10.” TCU last year had confidence and moxie and much better consistency on the Oline. Our offensive team lacks these qualities.
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
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At TCU he had a 5th year QB whose experience made a big difference. Unfortunately Cade has made some big mistakes early, but hopefully he will learn from them and will have an outstanding second half of the season. Having Tyler Brown and AW on the field at same time should be fun while Stellato is proving he can be a good go to guy on 3rd down. We have 2 stud WR's coming in next year, Wesco looks like a game changer in the Sammy, Tee, Mike Williams mold. As for our play calling, It does seem riley overthinking it sometimes.
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
Oct 9, 2023, 6:55 PM
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Yep. I’m hopeful to see improvements with AW coming back too. I’m hoping we can fix protection issues with the OL too. We desperately need a playmaker or two at WR. Hoping this Wesco guy is who they think he is, and that we can keep him. We need a speed slasher who can bust a game open at RB too. Also, Brinny is solid but we need a real TE playmaker.
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Re: Yet They Were Murdered By Georgia... In Front Of Everyone 70 - 7 ---
Oct 9, 2023, 6:45 PM
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Totally out-talented. Georgia last year did that to most teams.
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
Oct 9, 2023, 5:47 PM
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You can make anything out of stats you want to. TCU is 3-3 this year but their offense is getting 472 yards per game. It is not all about offense.
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
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And while you're at it, who did TCU beat? They beat Michigan 103 to 99. Other than that, squeaking by developing teams like Texas, Baylor and OK State and splitting 2 games vs an overrated K State was hardly a championship run. They were in the playoffs by default. The right crap happened at the right time and their supremacy, or lack of, was obvious when UGA pulled the curtain back. And yes, I just threw up in my mouth giving UGA dap.
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
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Oct 9, 2023, 6:25 PM
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Worthless historical stats by Dabs will fix all this. Glad the kids are having fun at practice
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Re: TNET: As Keith Jackon would say " Whoa Nelly"
Oct 9, 2023, 7:43 PM
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As the season began maybe this information would have been helpful. Maybe just tell the fans this would be a year of adjustment with the hopes of pulling out a winning season. There was no need to get hopes up for a conference championship and surly not the playoffs. There are veteran players on the offense but not at QB and some other positions. Maybe it would have been better to say 2024 will be our year. Just put out the hard truth and fans will appreciate it more. For now it sounds like everyone needs to buckle up, it's going to be a rougher ride.
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
Oct 9, 2023, 7:56 PM
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Perhaps RG wasn’t a good hire or he isn’t used to seeing good defenses during conference play. We all know the Big 12 isn’t known for defense it’s more of an offensive conference especially last season.
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
Oct 9, 2023, 9:07 PM
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Riley takes job at Clemson but leaves scheme and staff behind at TCU.
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Bout what I figured. Good coaches have a good system...
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Oct 9, 2023, 10:02 PM
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GREAT coaches have enough flexibility in their system to adjust to fit their personnel. Especially important in college with the high turnover of players from year to year.
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
Oct 10, 2023, 6:00 AM
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What has happened to Adam Randall? It felt like we needed him against Wake, but I did not see him at all. Still, it felt like Klubnik was a bit too anxious in the Wake game and never hit his stride like he had in the previous 2 games. I am sure the early fumble had a lot to do with that.
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Yeah, this is part true and part bullcrap
Oct 10, 2023, 9:07 AM
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the players don't need to nebulously "figure out" the so-called turnover "bug," as if it's some random inconvenience. They need to have it coached out of them. It happens, sure. Rust happens. but for it to still be happening all this much, there is an element of coaching there. Maybe there's so much focus on the new system that they're giving short shrift to certain fundamentals.
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
Oct 10, 2023, 11:57 AM
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The sad reality is that Riley had better personnel at TCU.
Duggan was a 5th year senior, Cade is in year 2 (will get better)
Kendre Miller and Demercado are better than Shipley and Mafah
Quentin Johnson was a 1st round WR. Derius Davis was a 4th rounder. Taye Barber was an UDFA. They had better WRs than Clemson.
That's just where we are right now. TCU had better offensive personnel than us. Riley is working with what he's got.
Cade: young, inexperienced, inconsistent
Shipley - 4th - 7th rounder
Mafah - probably UDFA
Beaux - probably UDFA
Antonio - 4th - 7th rounder
Tyler - too early but NFL future
Stellato - probably UDFA
Randall - not good
Cole - not good
Briningstool - can't block
OL - mediocre
Most of our starters were highly rated too. Something is wrong. This is the most talent we've had on offense. But the players aren't nearly as guys we've had in the past. I blame coaching development.
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
Oct 10, 2023, 12:06 PM
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This is not the most talent we have had. Not by a long shot.
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Re: TNET: Garrett Riley opens up about why his offense looks different in 2023
Oct 10, 2023, 12:09 PM
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We may want to use the Alabama model this year... use the two backs to run the ball and mix in play action... also use the mobile QB... play defense and special teams (except FG's of course...)
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Young QB? Personnell is different?
Oct 10, 2023, 10:03 PM
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So we don't have as much talent on offense as TCU did. I'll buy that with yhe receivers and offensive line, but not the QB.
He's probably shocked at how bad our offensive line is, but not saying it as much.
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