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TNET: CFP approves change to Playoff format
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I approve as well.***
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Feb 20, 2024, 11:56 AM
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Should make for some intriguing matchups
Feb 21, 2024, 7:44 AM
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with nontraditional teams playing each other! I’m all for it! Nice to see Clemson has some representation on the CFP board this year too, even if he has to recuse himself from all discussions involving our beloved Tigers. But we should have a decent chance to get in every year in this format, I would think. In the words of Lloyd Christmas, “So you’re telling me there’s a chance…?” Let’s goooo!!
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Re: Should make for some intriguing matchups
Feb 21, 2024, 8:16 AM
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Clements is on the board of managers, not the selection committee.
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Re: Should make for some intriguing matchups
Feb 21, 2024, 9:36 PM
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Even when we were in the final four each year I was one of the few wanting expansion. Now I’m the dog that caught the car. I’m expecting good things and I look forward to some upsets (but not when we are favored…insert smiley face).
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Re: I approve as well.***
Feb 21, 2024, 9:29 PM
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So, you approve of 8 or 9 SEC teams being in the playoffs, bc you know that is what a 12 team playoff is all about. That conference begins each season with about 8 or 9 teams in the top 20, and the way that the committee kicked FSU out of the playoffs as a undefeated team without much of argument around the country, that gave the committee permission to kick any undefeated teams of their choice out of the playoffs, and just bc there will be 12 teams now, that won't stop them from doing the very same at WILL!!!
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Re: I approve as well.***
Feb 21, 2024, 10:10 PM
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We will be at 14 teams soon as well.
The committee did the right thing in not putting FSU in the four team made for tv post season FBS tournament to determine the champion of the “College Footbal Playoff.” Putting Alabama in was the right decision. There were no set rules for who got selected. Sure there were guidelines but each year the committee highlighted reasons for their decision. Each year when the fourth team was not clear cut - the reasoning/emphasis changed. The committee was/is there to give the best match ups (if they can). Some years there hands were tied.
And the FSU example (and TCU/Baylor in year 1 CFP as an example as well) show why I have been an expansion proponent for the beginning. At least now the P4 champions are more or less guaranteed a spot - so FSU would have made it under the new rules. You should rejoice and be glad in it.
In the end it will typically be
SEC Champ + 2 or 3 at large
B1G Champ + 2 or 3 at large
B12 Champ + 0 or 1 at large
ACC Champ + 0 or 1 at large
G5 Champ
Some years the B1G will have more teams than the SEC or vice versa. But yes - you are correct - the B1G/SEC will always have the most. It still is a made for tv/streaming invitational. ESPN is paying $1.3 Billion a year to the “College Football Playoff” to broadcast the games. Peoples with the moneys makes the rules.
But heck yes I approve. This is better even though the rich get richer. Eventually the SEC and B1G will have their own playoffs with just their teams. Like Thanos, it is unfortunately inevitable.
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Re: TNET: CFP approves change to Playoff format
Feb 20, 2024, 12:13 PM
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No conference will qualify automatically and no limit on number of conference representatives…
So… what happens first, the SEC gets all 7 non-automatic playoff spots or the SEC gets left out of the playoff entirely. I’m going with the former if ESECPN has anything to say about it.
Go Tigers!
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ESPN & ACC wins?
Feb 20, 2024, 12:52 PM
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I'm actually guessing the ACC champion gets in & that it's most likely Clemson & we all thrive, which is good.
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Re: TNET: CFP approves change to Playoff format
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Feb 20, 2024, 1:29 PM
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I still worry about the first part of that statement, "No conference will qualify automatically". They say that and also say the "five highest-ranked conference champions". That sure sounds like automatic qualifications. Sounds to me what they are saying is if say a conference champion isn't highly ranked then they could leave them off. More BS pandering by the CFP.
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Re: TNET: CFP approves change to Playoff format
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Feb 20, 2024, 1:40 PM
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No. That means the 5 highest ranked even if 4 of the 5 aren’t the Power 5.
Which will never happen. The ACC/SEC/BIG10/BIG12 champs are all essentially guaranteed in.
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Re: TNET: CFP approves change to Playoff format
Feb 20, 2024, 7:51 PM
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I read it like you, and that seems logical, but this process sometimes leaves logic in the dust in order to reach their "private" goals. Sadly, I'm not sure we can trust them to do what really is right, rather than what meets their agenda.
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Re: TNET: CFP approves change to Playoff format
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Feb 20, 2024, 1:54 PM
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Tigermat, there is no possible way any conference will have 6 at large spots in the Top 12 of the rankings because by playing each other, teams will have too losses.
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Re: TNET: CFP approves change to Playoff format
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Feb 20, 2024, 2:03 PM
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I think we learned last year that the $EC is never going to be left out of the playoff$. If they weren’t left out of a 4 team $cenario, they certainly won’t be denied multiple berth$ in an expanded format with an expanded conference. Not $ure why that i$.
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Re: TNET: CFP approves change to Playoff format
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Feb 20, 2024, 4:57 PM
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Great poast!!!
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Re: TNET: CFP approves change to Playoff format
Feb 20, 2024, 7:53 PM
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I get your sarcasm, and I agree. Hopefully we are pleasantly surprised, but I fear the usual prejudice raising it's very ugly head in favor of the secheat.
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Re: TNET: CFP approves change to Playoff format
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Feb 20, 2024, 12:19 PM
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"to now include the five highest-ranked conference champions, plus the next seven highest-ranked teams as determined by the CFP Selection Committee."
I'm overthinking this....but what is the difference between the five "highest-ranked" conference champions vs. just the five conference champions?
Is it a Power 5 vs Group of 5 thing?
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Semantics, everyone knows...
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Feb 20, 2024, 12:24 PM
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.... the SEC, B1G, Big 12 and ACC champs will be among the five highest ranked conference champs.
Changing from a 6-6 to a 5-7 just means only 1 G5 team will make playoffs this year, not two.
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Re: TNET: CFP approves change to Playoff format
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Feb 20, 2024, 12:28 PM
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"to now include the five highest-ranked conference champions, plus the next seven highest-ranked teams as determined by the CFP Selection Committee."
I'm overthinking this....but what is the difference between the five "highest-ranked" conference champions vs. just the five conference champions?
Is it a Power 5 vs Group of 5 thing?
Since the implosion of the Pac-12, there are only four "Power Five" conferences. That means that the ACC, B1G, Big XII, and SEC will all get a conference champion in, plus the highest ranked Group of Five champion. This past year, Liberty would have gotten in had the 2024 layout been in place, I believe.
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Re: TNET: CFP approves change to Playoff format
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Feb 20, 2024, 2:16 PM
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Oh you know they try to word so that they can confuse everyone. The power 5 conference champions should make it in the playoffs.
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So it's the SEC/BIG10 invitational...
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Feb 20, 2024, 12:20 PM
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just like people worried it would become.
#fantastic
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Re: So it's the SEC/BIG10 invitational...
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Feb 20, 2024, 1:41 PM
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It’s the same format that was already approved. Except reduced by 1 because the PAC12 is gone.
Completely logical, necessary, and expected. There is no conspiracy.
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I approve of this change, but...
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Feb 20, 2024, 12:22 PM
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.... all it will do this year is eliminate the second highest ranked G5 team and replace it with either an SEC or B1G team. The path for an ACC team to make the playoffs this year is simple - win the conference.
A 2 loss SEC or B1G team will easily be chosen over a 1 loss ACC team that did not win the conference championship. (Heck, a 3 loss team would be picked over an ACC team.)
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But is that bad?
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Feb 20, 2024, 12:59 PM
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Is that a bad thing, or even something most people actually care about?
I celebrate & watch the whole sport. When the AAC was often outcompeting our own league, it was thrilling football, straight up.
I'm just not sure this new rule guarantees non-P5 teams being left out or guaranteeing their replacement is from the SEC or B1G, especially in a world where teams like Clemson & FSU are still in the ACC & Notre Dame is still independent.
I disagree a 2-loss or 3-loss B1G team will definitely be in over a 1-loss Clemson with a win over Georgia & FSU, for example. I actually would bet Clemson would be in if that were the case.
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Re: But is that bad?
Feb 22, 2024, 11:26 AM
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Clemson gets left out if lose ACC conference championship even after beating georgia and fsu in regular season.
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Re: But is that bad?
Feb 22, 2024, 12:02 PM
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0% chance, unless we lose other games along the way
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Re: I approve of this change, but...
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Feb 20, 2024, 2:12 PM
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"The path for an ACC team to make the playoffs this year is simple - win the conference."
That's the ONLY way an ACC team gets in.
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Agree completely.***
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Feb 20, 2024, 2:45 PM
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sec and big will battle for the 7 at large bids
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Feb 20, 2024, 12:26 PM
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every other conference you basically have to win to get in. more of the same
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Re: TNET: CFP approves change to Playoff format
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Feb 20, 2024, 12:43 PM
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If the six-champion, six-at-large format had been in place for the 2023 season, Florida State would still have been screwed by the CFP. No, they wouldn't have been left out, but they wouldn't have gotten a bye PLUS they'd have the hardest row to hoe having to go through four conference champions to win it all. The playoffs would have looked like this:
1 Michigan
(bye)
8 Oregon
9 Missouri
5 Florida State
12 Liberty (based on CFP rankings, I assume that's where the lowest seeded conference champion goes)
4 Alabama
(bye)
Then the other side of the bracket is...
3 Texas
(bye)
6 Georgia
11 Ole Miss
7 Ohio State
10 Penn State
2 Washington
(bye)
Count:
SEC.....4
B1G.....3
Pac12...2
Big12...1
ACC.....1
CUSA....1
After 2024 realignment:
B1G.....5
SEC.....5
ACC.....1
CUSA....1
Yep, let's name it the B1G/SEC Challenge. :/
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Re: TNET: CFP approves change to Playoff format
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Feb 20, 2024, 1:00 PM
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I hope instead the ACC once again thrives & teams like Clemson & Miami & FSU are all in contention outright.
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Re: TNET: CFP approves change to Playoff format
Feb 20, 2024, 5:04 PM
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Liberty would have beaten the crap out of Florida State after all their mercenary players jumped ship.
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Re: TNET: CFP approves change to Playoff format
Feb 20, 2024, 9:09 PM
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Would they have jumped ship if it was a playoff game?
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Greg Sankey will tell us they just added another SEC At Large bid, instead of
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Feb 20, 2024, 12:55 PM
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having that bid go to a pesky non-SEC Conference Champion. Sanctimonious Prick, is he.
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Our own president is in though
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Feb 20, 2024, 1:02 PM
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Glad to have President Clements on the CFP Committee then to represent us & the ACC, for sure.
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Re: TNET: CFP approves change to Playoff format
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Feb 20, 2024, 1:23 PM
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"The quarterfinals and semifinals will be played in the New Year’s Six bowl games."
This makes no sense. How could they play the quarterfinals AND semifinals on the same day?? Either the 4 quarterfinals games, or the 2 semifinals games will have to be moved and not played on New Year's Day.
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Re: TNET: CFP approves change to Playoff format
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Feb 20, 2024, 1:35 PM
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They aren't playing on the same day. The quarterfinals will be played on a different day. They only said "New Years Six" because that's the name for that group of bowls
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Preety much means two of the New Year's Six will have to be moved
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Feb 20, 2024, 2:48 PM
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to one week later so it would cover semi and quarter finals. 8 teams down to 4 for the next week.
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Re: TNET: CFP approves change to Playoff format
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Feb 20, 2024, 1:50 PM
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There will be at least 7 teams with 2 losses and maybe 8 or 9. It will be interesting to see this works out but I don't see much chance for a non power conference team plus Notre Dame making the top 12 teams. There will be no Cinderella stories like basketball.
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Re: TNET: CFP approves change to Playoff format
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Feb 20, 2024, 2:10 PM
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"there will be no limit on the number of participants from a conference."
6 SEC teams, 3 B1G teams, 2 other conference champions (ACC champ, B12 champ), Notre Dame (unless they suck, then 4 B1G teams).
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Re: TNET: CFP approves change to Playoff format
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Feb 20, 2024, 2:19 PM
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Have to have 5 conf champs. That’s only 4.
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Re: TNET: CFP approves change to Playoff format
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Feb 20, 2024, 7:27 PM
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I got confused by the second mention of "4 highest range conference champions get byes".
So 5 SEC teams, 3 B1G teams, 3 other conference champions (ACC champ, B12 champ, best GO5 champ), Notre Dame (unless they suck, then 4 B1G teams).
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Actually better for Clemson
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Feb 20, 2024, 3:39 PM
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Because a group of five won't eat a spot.
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Re: Actually better for Clemson
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Feb 20, 2024, 3:43 PM
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The group of 5 is still guaranteed a spot.
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Re: TNET: CFP approves change to Playoff format
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Feb 20, 2024, 4:21 PM
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Wish they would have dropped it to 10. 5 Auto Qualifier, 5 at large bids.
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Re: TNET: CFP approves change to Playoff format
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Feb 20, 2024, 4:35 PM
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Then you would have 6 teams getting a bye. No thanks.
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Re: TNET: CFP approves change to Playoff format
Feb 20, 2024, 4:55 PM
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Yep... That should get 4 teams in out of the SUC and B1G. The rest will be from those 2 conferences probably. The AP poll will make sure the SUC and B1G teams are highly ranked all season.
College football is going down the tubes for many reasons, but it all comes down to one thing... $$$$$$
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If yall think the bias rankings for the SEC were
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Feb 20, 2024, 5:10 PM
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Bad before just wait. If you don’t think they won’t start skewing it all year you are crazy. As always 4 loss sec teams will be ranked high enough to make sure other SEC teams look better on paper. Now that Big 10 is full in with Fox and not ESPN it will be worse. My guess each year you will see a min of 4 SEC teams and more likely 5 after they start playing with the rankings at the end of the year.
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Re: If yall think the bias rankings for the SEC were
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Feb 20, 2024, 5:17 PM
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Daredevil is correct. At least 5 of the 12 will be SEC but probably more like 6 or 7. SEC teams don't fall in the rankings much when they are defeated which, of course, is by design. This is why I don't want anything to do with this corrupt conference. Just my opinion.
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Put the bong down***
Feb 22, 2024, 1:15 PM
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Re: TNET: CFP approves change to Playoff format
Feb 20, 2024, 8:25 PM
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anyone pay attention to dates and days of the week for the games? This is going to suck as far as travel...
Thursday, Friday Semi-Finals
This also adds one more travel date for the second round... teams could be crossing the country weekly... this is going to be expensive for all fan base's involved...
The economic winner in all this is teams 5-8 who get to host 1st round home games... financial windfall.
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Re: TNET: CFP approves change to Playoff format
Feb 20, 2024, 8:53 PM
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One way to change this conversation is go out and stomp a mudhole in Georgia.
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Re: TNET: CFP approves change to Playoff format
Feb 22, 2024, 6:29 AM
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What if no G5 champion is ranked in the Top 25? No playoff qualifier? Or does the committee pick 1 from the rest?
Last years Final CFP rankings (* Conf Champs)
RANK TEAM OVERALL RECORD
1 Michigan 13-0*
2 Washington 13-0*
3 Texas 12-1*
4 Alabama 12-1
5 Florida State 13-0*
6 Georgia 12-1
7 Ohio State 11-1
8 Oregon 11-2
9 Missouri 10-2
10 Penn State 10-2
11 Mississippi 10-2
23 Liberty 13-0* (Highest ranked G5 Champ)
12 Oklahoma 10-2 (left out)
22 Clemson 8-4 (just for reference)
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I dont care who gets in after the top 6-7 teams, the rest werent
Feb 22, 2024, 1:14 PM
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winning it anyways.
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