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To what do you attribute or lack of transfer portal success?
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Jan 10, 2024, 12:49 PM
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In the past, it was clearly Dabo's attitude toward the portal. This cycle though, we have attempted to recruit the portal. Is there a different strategy to portal recruiting than high school recruiting? I believe NIL is more of a focus, rather than an included component, with portal recruits. Are there other differences that need to be considered to make us a more serious transfer portal player?
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Re: To what do you attribute or lack of transfer portal success?
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Jan 10, 2024, 12:53 PM
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If our numbers demand it, Dabo will use The Portal just like other coaches. The scholarship number is still 85.
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Re: To what do you attribute or lack of transfer portal success?
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Jan 10, 2024, 1:08 PM
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Clemson needs a bigger pool of money and a willingness to offer it. It's free agency, so the opportunity and money are big factors. Dabo is not an aggressive bidder, so Clemson has few transfers. The HS player development route can yield less than great results. Why not pay to fill some needs at key positions, to proven players? Many top schools are willing to play the portal especially for skill positions like QB.
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I dont think the school can offer
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Jan 10, 2024, 1:15 PM
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money, legally.
I think all the coaches can do is say "go talk to the NIL folks". IF that is true, Dabo isn't bidding on any1.
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Re: I dont think the school can offer
Jan 11, 2024, 6:36 AM
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I believe you are right. We have to lead with the $ in the portal for the players we could use. The ones we loose to Jacksonville St and UMass, not so much, but the ones we offered and missed, yes.
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Re: To what do you attribute or lack of transfer portal success?
Jan 10, 2024, 12:54 PM
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define success?
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Re: To what do you attribute or lack of transfer portal success?
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Jan 10, 2024, 12:55 PM
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This horse has been beaten enough hasn't it? Dabo has said he is not going to pursue players (HS or Portal) that have their hands out for cash just to come to Clemson. To get the kinds of portal players that YOU want, we would have to change that method. So, based on that a change at head coach would get the players here that YOU want. Clear enough? Are you ready for said change? All in the name that we can say we are "successful" in the transfer portal?
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Re: To what do you attribute or lack of transfer portal success?
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Jan 10, 2024, 1:22 PM
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So Dabo must have been stressed when his existing players asked for money, right? Pay for play is here now. What if Clemson wins the ACC and goes to CFP, I would expect his existing players to ask for more money? Forget about the transfer portal because Clemson is not tampering or overbidding/promising players. Dabo's record speaks for itself, but the times have changed. It will be much more challenging in the current system. I expect Dabo to be successful going forward, just less than elite successful. 7-10 win season and ACC/CFP appearances less frequently. Still better than most schools, but the drawn of a new norm. UGA game this year will be telling.
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Re: To what do you attribute or lack of transfer portal success?
Jan 10, 2024, 2:19 PM
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Not at all, he has said he has no problem with NIL and players making money off their NIL. What he has said is he will not recruit HS players or portal players that say "I have to be paid X to COME to Clemson" He has set a precedent that money will not be the driving force in getting a player to COME to Clemson. Clemson and what it offers outside of athletics has to be of some value to the player too. PAW journey being one of those very BIG values. Not every player is going to see the long term value of these things. Dabo knows this and recruits those that do, both portal and HS.
To your comment about success moving forward. It's certainly possible but we won the last two titles with some program changers that came to Clemson for the value of what the school brought them both on and off the field. All it takes is a handful of said program changers to find value in it and the possibility of winning another one is there. Those looking to go to the school with the biggest payout will still do that, just as they always have, but now it is out in the open so to speak.
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Re: To what do you attribute or lack of transfer portal success?
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Jan 10, 2024, 12:56 PM
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I believe upfront NIL is one issue, but the bigger issue might be promised playing time. Perhaps players do not want to transfer to a school where PT is not guaranteed or at least the promise of starting 1st on the depth chart.
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Re: To what do you attribute or lack of transfer portal success?
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Jan 10, 2024, 2:19 PM
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I agree if you are transferring not sure you are wanting to compete for PT. Of course that’s not true for everyone but I would bet that’s it for a lot of kids.
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Re: To what do you attribute or lack of transfer portal success?
Jan 10, 2024, 1:00 PM
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Portal players are looking for 1 of 2 things or both. Immediate playing time and immediate compensation. When Clemson freshmen are playing more snaps than any other team in the country that is going to rule out immediate playing time. Dabo has already stated NIL is for retaining players not recruiting them, that is going to rule out immediate compensation.
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while I agree with you, that puts Clemson at
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Jan 10, 2024, 1:09 PM
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a competitive disadvantage. Without using it, I don't think Clemson can compete with the top tier programs that are using it.
Which is fine, if everyone is fine being a top 20 program, and not competing for a national championship.
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We arent even in the same ballpark with the amount
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Jan 10, 2024, 1:05 PM
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of nil $ that we are offering players in the portal compared to a lot of other teams. Portal recruiting is a lot different that hs recruiting and until we change our philosophy, we aren’t going to get major recruits in the portal.
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i would say 1 of the biggest issues is
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Jan 10, 2024, 1:12 PM
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10 million posters making 40 million posts complaining about the portal on Tnet but only 3 actually donate to Clemson's NIL initiatives to promote change.
i don't foresee making any headway with that kind of ratio.
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We dont promise starting positions and wont pay
Jan 10, 2024, 1:14 PM
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up front and/or enter a bidding war. Good for us!!!
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Re: To what do you attribute or lack of transfer portal success?
Jan 10, 2024, 1:25 PM
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In a word, cash. Good players in the portal are a bidding war. Clemson does not have unlimited funds
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Re: To what do you attribute or lack of transfer portal success?
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Jan 10, 2024, 1:27 PM
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I believe dabo has a loyalty to his recruits and while we have a couple specific portal uses most portal guys wonder if they will get PT over those already on the roster.
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Re: To what do you attribute or lack of transfer portal success?
Jan 10, 2024, 1:29 PM
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I think it’s why we use the portal from a philosophical perspective. The blue chips in there want to play more than at their former school, and do right away to help their draft stock. I feel like this conflicts with Dabo’s mindset of developing players from day 1 into starters. So far this matches up as we’ve offered guys to bolster roster depth vs fill a starting need.
Can they compete for the job? Absolutely. Will they get it? Probably not the first year. We also don’t extend a lot of offers because we don’t usually have a lot of open slots. Personally I think we give to many walk on’s scholarships, but that’s not my call and it think that’s just part of Dabo’s culture.
I don’t think either Dabo’s method or the Colorado portal Wild West is sustainable long term, so I think over the next few years the two will probably converge thanks to multi-year NIL deals. Eventually these boosters are going to get sick of full free agency every offseason so the NIL deals will morph into multi-year, back weighted agreements to keep kids at one school more similar to the way it’s done in professional sports
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Re: To what do you attribute or lack of transfer portal success?
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Jan 10, 2024, 1:35 PM
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$$$ isn't an issue...its how we spend it. Let me be clear, Clemson will NEVER, EVER let $$$ be an issue. Its a false narrative. Clemson, really isn't little Ole Clemson; and it hasn't been that way for a good while now. We aren't OSU, but don't need to be. Look around...evidence is everywhere: salaries, facilities, etc.....raising or having enough NIL $$$...isn't really an issue.
We have attempted to recruit the portal more this year, but that's like a guy going to a bar expecting to pick up a really good girl---someone who is wife material---but is only willing to show up--and won't shower, shave, dress-up, talk to girls, buy them a drink or have a decent personality. He only promises he will perform later on. He thinks he looks better than he really does ATM. He actually does have alot to offer, but girls want to see it first....
There have been some good changes. This is an area of reluctance for Dabo and he has slowly made changes. More is coming. We really only need 3-4 portal kids a year (as of now)--unlike many programs. Dabo is 1000% right...almost all kids should be HS signees. But in today's world when your STARTERS will leave, NO MATTER YOUR GOOD CULTURE IS OR HOW GOOD YOU TREAT THEM, you better have a BACKUP plan that is more than signing a developmental 17 YO kid late in the cycle.
Clemson has not played its hand the best it could, and we have been handicapped by some of the initial decisions; thus, the drop-off. But corrections have been made and we have adjusted--just be happy that we have adjusted and are very capable of returning to where we were. Excited about the future...
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I completely missed this analogy
Jan 10, 2024, 1:43 PM
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We have attempted to recruit the portal more this year, but that's like a guy going to a bar expecting to pick up a really good girl---someone who is wife material---but is only willing to show up--and won't shower, shave, dress-up, talk to girls, buy them a drink or have a decent personality. He only promises he will perform later on. He thinks he looks better than he really does ATM. He actually does have alot to offer, but girls want to see it first....
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Re: I completely missed this analogy
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Jan 10, 2024, 1:47 PM
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^^^Its OK, can't help you there. : )
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Re: I completely missed this analogy
Jan 10, 2024, 3:44 PM
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It means we attempt to use the portal in the most pathetic way possible. Not putting in effort and hoping for credit for just showing up
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Re: where are you getting the information to make your bold statement?
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Jan 10, 2024, 2:15 PM
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Folks I know.
And no, I won't reveal. I've been on here since basically the inception on TN, what was that??....1995 ± or so??? Not that means anything, or that our IPTAY membership means anything, but when you are a fan for basically the 50 years of your life, and your fam has numerous grads, etc....you get to know ppl. Nothing special.
Truthfully, its not really that BOLD of a statement....look at the examples I gave in my post...
Money isn't the reason why we have dipped a bit or can't sign elite portal kids.
The only area where $$$ is an issue is if we got left behind in conference expansion (meaning we get $40M less per yea than our peers and inferior FB programs). But thankfully, that ain't happening. Listen to Dabo here....
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Re: To what do you attribute or lack of transfer portal success?
Jan 10, 2024, 1:53 PM
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To we don't tamper.
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Re: To what do you attribute or lack of transfer portal success?
Jan 10, 2024, 2:10 PM
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My guess is that it's taking all of our resources just to keep our own guys. Sure we can afford to bring in a guy here or there but we appear to be getting outbid even when we do go after someone. I think the idea that Dabo and the NIL team is just sitting on a mountain of cash that they recuse to spend due to some philosophical ideas about the portal is silly.
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Re: To what do you attribute or lack of transfer portal success?
Jan 10, 2024, 2:18 PM
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Again, resources really isn't the issue.
We aren't overpaying....and that is a decision I 1000% agree with Dabo on. Do we need to tweak, sure, but we don't need to drop huge bags on one kid.
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A few things
Jan 10, 2024, 2:20 PM
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-we are not paying kids competitively for what the market is right now
-just like with High school kids Clemson’s pool is much much more narrow for numbers on numerous reasons but the big one being Dabo just won’t offer a kid if he doesn’t fit culture, has prior issues or shows no interest in Clemson
-Dabo has said it himself, he will not guarantee playing time. These kids are not leaving a school they are starting at to go to a school they have no insurances of playing time. It’s that simple really.
-a small on is Clemson is different than say SC, Ga Tech, and even schools like NC Stste, TN.. the town is way way smaller and different. If a kid wants a city, Clemson is not appealing.
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Re: A few things
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Jan 10, 2024, 3:00 PM
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While I somewhat agree with you, do you think Alabama or Ohio State are guaranteeing playing time?
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Re: To what do you attribute or lack of transfer portal success?
Jan 10, 2024, 2:31 PM
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Westco and Moore are most likely better than anyone available in the portal. We continue to get better recruits by not using the portal. Keeping our promise of targeting good recruits and not pulling the rug out from under them with some portal guy who we probably didn't want the first time around. Some of the portal players are quality... but some are damaged goods. Culture is very important at Clemson... not so everywhere.
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players probably don't feel safe transferring to Clemson b/c of the perception
Jan 10, 2024, 2:39 PM
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about Dabo hating the portal. Even though its just a perception its out there. That coupled with I'm sure a mediocre NIL outlook. I'm sure other teams lie like the dickens about how much money these cats will make by signing with them.
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Our #1 concern is character.
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Jan 10, 2024, 3:05 PM
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Clemson does not want guys of lower moral character representing our university. People who don't get that don't care about character because they have higher priorities than personal ethics. Their moral standard are lacking.
When picking up apples for a pie you leave the rotten ones laying on the ground.
You don't pick up dead fish on the bank. You catch them from clean waters if you're serving them to your family.
No need for anyone to take offense at that. If you don't judge yourself another will.
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That doesn't matter to a Portal Addict.
Jan 10, 2024, 4:01 PM
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They want the next "fix". Any player would satisfy their craving. Doesn't matter if they are bad people, NIL chaser, whatever. They want somebody from the portal. Anybody. The 3rd team left tackle from Abraham Baldwin? Doesn't matter. Why won't Dabo go after him?
Also, they don't consider the impact taking players from the portal have on the current chemistry between coaches and players. No loyalty shown to the current team means no loyalty given. Think Barrett Carter comes back if we are out offering every warm body in the portal?
####, these people are stupid. Almost makes this board unreadable.
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Re: To what do you attribute or lack of transfer portal success?
Jan 10, 2024, 3:43 PM
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$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Re: To what do you attribute or lack of transfer portal success?
Jun 9, 2021, 7:38 AM
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I think you have to look at why players go to the portal:
1. NIL Money
2. Wasnt playing at old school, wants to play
3. Star at smaller school, wants to play for contender
While we check all 3 of these boxes... often times 1&2, there are schools who go further than we will.
... and we dont go after very many. I think we will land some transfers here and there, we just arent throwing offers out in dozens.
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