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Realistic scenario to dissolve the ACC… no joke
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Realistic scenario to dissolve the ACC… no joke


Mar 12, 2023, 9:03 AM

It was on YouTube from an FSU football YouTuber.

The idea is to have at least 4 schools who are interested in leaving the ACC for greener pastures (FSU, Clemson, UNC, Miami as examples). Those 4 schools go to 4 other schools and offer to bridge any of their revenue shortfall they may encounter by agreeing to dissolve the ACC through 2036 (assuming they will join another, lesser conference where their $$ per year is less, but not zero).

Why would the other, less marketable schools do that?

1) Everyone knows the ACC will not survive past 2030 in this current situation.
2) At least this way, those schools can be assured of at least the same payout they would get from the ACC through 2036.

Why would the more marketable schools do that?

1) The cost to bridge their revenues would be a fraction of what they would be earning elsewhere
2) And it would be way less $$ than buying out the GOR.

Win/win!

Then everyone can move on!

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Mar 12, 2023, 9:07 AM

You don't fix what is not broken. The ACC is a great sports conference.

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Mar 12, 2023, 10:57 AM

🤣🤣🤣 coot

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Mar 12, 2023, 1:47 PM [ in reply to Re: Realistic scenario to dissolve the ACC… no joke ]

It really is. This zealousness to destroy 70 years of storied history when it is unnecessary to do so is amazing. I thought the whole business of “let’s do away with the ACC” stemmed from the notion that the ACC would be shut out of the CFP. That, at least, was the prevailing rhetoric I read on this site, last summer, prior to the announcement of CFP expansion. With CFP expansion, the Top 6 conferences cannot be shut out. That alone makes ACC football continuously relevant.

Another reason that many are giving is the money situation. I think those shortfalls can be partially mitigated in the same way Clemson has done in the last 15-20 years. I could be wrong, but it has been my understanding that the West Endzone, the Indoor football facility, and the Reeves Football Complex were funded, primarily, from privately donated contributions, in addition to revenues created through conference affiliation and such. If that’s the case, Clemson got Uber competitive in football even though they were considerable behind the super powers of the SEC and Big 10 already. I mean Dabo World became the envy of much of the nation and many big powers have rushed to complete, or already have completed, similar facilities. Clemson was certainly not a leading revenue school, compared to the SEC and Big Ten, between 2009-2016, but the facilities still became the standard of the nation. Why can’t that happen again if needed?

Again, I just do not understand this haste to depart or destroy the ACC. Any conference that Clemson joins, but the Big 10 or SEC especially, they will be the newcomer. If people think Clemson has gotten the shaft from the NC ACC schools over the years, that would pale in comparison to the “you’re the red headed step-child” attitude they would receive from those two conferences. They already think their feces doesn’t stink to begin with and appear to look down their noses at the likes of Clemson.

The ACC is a very unique and storied conference. It’s not like dissolving the AAC or Mountain West. The ACC has been the BEST basketball conference for the last 50 years, winning 14 national championships as well as being the second best football conference, winning 7 national championships. This idea that the ACC is weak, competitively, is just not true. In fact, among the two “power/revenue” driven sports, it has been the second best conference in America for the last 50 years.

The core schools and heart of the ACC were and remain to be the Upper South schools, of the Carolinas and Virginia. I’ve always liked the idea that the heart of the ACC has always been those areas, but I know that’s just my opinion. Much of the close geographic uniqueness of the ACC was lost starting in 1992, but the core of it is still there. I like the familiarity of an old conference with old rivalries, and the ACC has been around a long time. I’m not up to speed on all the money numbers, but I’m confident that the ACC can stay together by reworking the money issue, and that will be good. Ultimately, if the idea of conferences even exists in the next ten years, I think the best conference for Clemson continues to be the ACC.

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Mar 12, 2023, 2:28 PM

The ACC has done NOTHING for Clemson. Clemson should have told ACC to pound sand years ago. I honestly hope that Clemson, FSU, Louisville and Miami get out and the rest of this crap conference crumbles into the abyss!!!

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With millions upon millions in less $$ for decades vs SEC…


Mar 12, 2023, 3:06 PM [ in reply to Re: Realistic scenario to dissolve the ACC… no joke ]

The ACC will not be able to compete for coaches or keep up with facilities in a way to remain competitive in football. So you can pontificate all you want about some stories history, but at the end of the day, that ain’t paying the bills.

So the options are (1) do nothing and fade away into mediocrity or (2) change the current deal structure. I know Clemson isn’t going to do option 1. To do option 2, the ACC must be dissolved or Clemson and some select other schools have to take drastic measures to leave the conference.

Don’t be mad at Clemson or those who see the writing on the wall. Be mad at the ACC leadership who put this assinine deal together through 2036! Swofford to be specific! He killed the ACC with this!

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Mar 12, 2023, 3:16 PM


The ACC will not be able to compete for coaches or keep up with facilities in a way to remain competitive in football. So you can pontificate all you want about some stories history, but at the end of the day, that ain’t paying the bills.

So the options are (1) do nothing and fade away into mediocrity or (2) change the current deal structure. I know Clemson isn’t going to do option 1. To do option 2, the ACC must be dissolved or Clemson and some select other schools have to take drastic measures to leave the conference.

Don’t be mad at Clemson or those who see the writing on the wall. Be mad at the ACC leadership who put this assinine deal together through 2036! Swofford to be specific! He killed the ACC with this!


My “pontifications” are just as valid, and worth just as much, as yours, which ain’t very much at all. My ramblings and expositions are in the same class as your rants and raves, in regard to this subject. Neither you or I have a clue as to what will happen in this matter. So, we will just have to keep on pontificating to deaf ears together. Maybe we can borrow his hat and little bulletproof golf cart.

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And keep this in mind… the other conferences start with more


Mar 12, 2023, 3:09 PM [ in reply to Re: Realistic scenario to dissolve the ACC… no joke ]

$$ BEFORE they go to the boosters and private donations. The two are not mutually exclusive. It is the combination of $$ that will dwarf the ACC’s $. So it is 100% about the $$.

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Not broken? Good grief, can we please ban this idiot???***


Mar 12, 2023, 2:14 PM [ in reply to Re: Realistic scenario to dissolve the ACC… no joke ]



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Valley boy is just not very smart… it is woefully broken***

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Mar 12, 2023, 7:48 PM [ in reply to Re: Realistic scenario to dissolve the ACC… no joke ]

So, you think that the ACC getting millions less in revenue has nothing to do with other conferences catching and passing it in basketball? This will be affecting every sport--not just football.

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Re: Realistic scenario to dissolve the ACC… no joke


Mar 12, 2023, 9:09 AM

Here’s the link…

https://youtu.be/rwU1I7VbdWk

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Unrealistic scenario to dissolve ACC is a joke.


Mar 12, 2023, 9:11 AM

It isn't realistic. And the ACC isn't going to "die." The Big-12 just signed a new media deal that will make their member teams less money than the ACC's. How is that good enough for TCU (that just played for the national championship) and not for ACC teams?

Under that scenario, ESPN would sue the ACC members for Breach of Contract and they would additionally sue the four instigators for tortuous interference.

They ACC is assured of lasting until 2035 and, at some point close to 2035, they will negotiate a new and, hopefully, much better media rights deal.

Full stop.

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Ahhh… you underestimate how all this works

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Mar 12, 2023, 9:21 AM

ESPN can sue until the cows come home, but once the ACC is dissolved they will have to take on multiple litigants who will have just as cut throat lawyers as ESPN. It will take years in the courts with no clear winner.

The key is to dissolve the conference and kill the GOR deal as a result. Each institution has every right to do what is in their own best interests. No one can be held hostage in a fast changing landscape like this. Truth be told, the ACC should be prosecuted for negligence in all this. I get that each school had to agree to the deal too, but the ACC leadership screwed the pooch here. Everyone recognizes it. The courts will too.

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Mar 12, 2023, 10:53 AM

Agree.
The GOR deal was for job security for ACC administrators. It did not help the schools at all.

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Mar 12, 2023, 9:24 AM [ in reply to Unrealistic scenario to dissolve ACC is a joke. ]

ESPN won’t sue an SEC school

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That is also true… ESPN won’t sue an SEC school…***


Mar 12, 2023, 9:26 AM



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Mar 12, 2023, 11:01 AM

The answer has to be 4 go to Big and 4 to SEC. There are enough markets/marketable teams for that to happen. UNC, Duke, Virginia, Miami go to Big and Clemson, NCSt, FSU, and VT go to SEC.

Big improves basketball further, picks up 3 new tv markets.

Sec adds 4 new tv markets and football continues to rule the roost .

Challenge is being able to collude together to make it happen

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Mar 12, 2023, 12:18 PM

I don't think the basketball schools, esp. the 4 Tobacco Road schools, will go along with any plan to dissolve the ACC or leave it. They have too much basketball history in the ACC. They and their fans don't care a whit about FB. They cannot improve their basketball teams and history by leaving the ACC. Clemson, FSU, and Miami are going to have to figure a way out and forget the rest of the losers.

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No one is going to die on that hill. Ship has sailed on basketball


Mar 12, 2023, 2:17 PM

It just simply doesnt matter in any of this. If you think it does, well, sorry, you're wrong. You think a school will commit financial suicide because they have history in hoops? Laughably absurd.

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Agree… basketball doesn’t drive the $$… only football***


Mar 12, 2023, 3:11 PM



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Mar 12, 2023, 12:21 PM

Another alternative is to take the 8 most marketable teams and approach Fox for a TV deal. The total dollars at 70% of the current deal is an increase of 40% for each of the 8.

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Mar 12, 2023, 12:24 PM

By this I mean the most marketable 8 will form a new conference. Wake, BC, and other deadwood is set adrift and ESPN can go screw itself with the cheap deal.

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ACC has no balls to do it… have to dissolve it first***


Mar 12, 2023, 1:46 PM [ in reply to Re: Realistic scenario to dissolve the ACC… no joke ]



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Mar 12, 2023, 7:41 PM

All it takes to dissolve it 8 votes. Hence you take the top 8.

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Mar 12, 2023, 2:17 PM [ in reply to Re: Realistic scenario to dissolve the ACC… no joke ]

I doubt Fox is interested. They are already paying the B1G a lot of money and they have the Big 12 too.

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