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Orange Blooded [3384]
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What part of GOR does everyone not understand?
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Jul 30, 2023, 11:12 PM
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The ACC OWNS Clemson’s TV rights until 2036. The ACC is not giving away the only way this conference can survive for any amount of money.
FSU and Clemson are locked into the ACC until 2036.
Please stop all of this nonsense about going to the BIG or SEC. We are locked into the ACC.
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Oculus Spirit [93687]
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You have a point.
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Jul 30, 2023, 11:19 PM
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You busted thousands of bubbles with it.
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Legend [16058]
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Wrong...ESPN owns the rights....
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Jul 30, 2023, 11:21 PM
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They also own the SEC rights. You do the math.
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Re: Wrong...ESPN owns the rights....
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Jul 31, 2023, 8:58 AM
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They also own the SEC rights. You do the math.
To be clear the universities were the parties to the GoR. This is clearly stated in the contract. The ACC signed separate multi-media deals with ESPN. Swofford allowed ESPN to strong arm the ACC to get the ACCN off the ground when ESPN required the universities to extend their GoR out to 2036 as a condition to move forward with a revised multi-media deal. This was the motivation for the amended GoR in June 2016. See document here: https://theosceola.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/2016-AMENDMENT-ACC-Grant-of-Rights-Agmt.pdf
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Re: Wrong...ESPN owns the rights....
Jul 31, 2023, 11:40 AM
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This is not true. ESPN simply owns the broadcast rights. They have no rights to the proceeds. The ACC owns production, distribution and copyright of all ACC home games for all existing members until 2036 unless amended by unanimous vote.
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CU Guru [1534]
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The ACC probably owns the GOR
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Jul 30, 2023, 11:34 PM
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and ESPN probably owns the broadcast rights to the GOR.
Net, Clemson is locked in. And to add insult to injury, Clemson's brand is not as mighty as we might think. Being in a relatively small TV market, they likely don't interest the SEC the way we might wish. Let's say the SEC will pay out $40m per team.. Clemson will not bring in $40m in additional TV revenue. So, the SEC likely would suffer a net loss by adding Clemson.
And, because they do not have AAU accreditation, they are less attractive than UNC to the B10, or even Miami for that matter.
Bottom line, forces outside of Clemson will decide Clemson's fate.
The best thing for Clemson to do is win a lot of football games and become very very focused on receiving AAU accreditation, hopefully within 10 years. FSU is in a very similar fix.
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Orange Blooded [4988]
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Remember one thing. CFB isn't as regional
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Jul 30, 2023, 11:38 PM
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Like it used to be. Back when it was heavily regional, TV markets were important bc if you didn't have a team in the bigger markets you couldn't get as many eyes on your games and your TV deals were much less.
Now as it is becoming more national across the board, the networks are looking for ratings. What teams draw eyes consistently? Clemson checks that box off compared to almost any team not in the SEC or Big 10, and that is why Fox or ESPN would take them in a heartbeat!
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CU Guru [1560]
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This is correct
Jul 31, 2023, 12:46 PM
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The ability to stream games has made the whole "market" concept an antiquity. If I wanna watch any game in the country, I can find it streaming somewhere.
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Re: The ACC probably owns the GOR
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Jul 31, 2023, 12:11 AM
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Like the coots ever added 40 million in revenue since they came to the sec lol
Their ratings are as a group not individually, even Alabama doesn’t bring that value…
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Re: The ACC probably owns the GOR
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Jul 31, 2023, 2:58 AM
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“… Clemson will not bring in $40m in additional TV revenue….”
Clemson is one of the most watched teams in college football. Even last year, an off year for us in football, we still managed well over 2.5 million observers ranking in the top 10 nationally. That’s a half million more than FSU. Clemson and FSU are both important to the networks.
Clemson and FSU are important to the Big 10 to get a foothold in the south for recruiting and increasing the B1G network.
I’m not saying Clemson is leaving the ACC, but I think those that summarily dismiss the possibility need to examine all possibilities.
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Re: The ACC probably owns the GOR
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Jul 31, 2023, 8:51 AM
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Even Clemson baseball has viewership. The CU-TN game was the most watched regional by close to half mil as well.
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Re: The ACC probably owns the GOR
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Jul 31, 2023, 7:39 AM
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Clemson is actually in a top-40 market (#37), with pull in Atlanta (#6) and Charlotte (#21).
Ahead of many SEC and B1G teams.
For reference, Columbia is #76
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Re: The ACC probably owns the GOR
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Jul 31, 2023, 1:46 PM
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Clemson is a national brand. Every conference wants eyes on the tv. Clemson brings many many eyes. Mickey was going over the stats this morning on air. Clemson football games draw millions of viewers.
You sound a lot like the coot texting into the show this morning downplaying Clemson's national relevance.
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Re: What part of GOR does everyone not understand?
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Jul 30, 2023, 11:55 PM
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DABO HAS SAID WHERE THIS IS GOING. End of story. Two...then ONE. This is about control and matchups. Clemson, outside of ND, is the hottest chick at the dance. Dabo isn't implying AFTER 2036 either. Feel free to choose not to believe if not. Personally, I don't believe these latest B1G rpts. CLEM's fit with the SEC is too great to overcome.
Clemson and FSU have MUCH more to lose staying than leaving. EVERYTHING gets negotiated...as everything does in life. Relationships get too toxic staying till 2036. Neither CLEM nor FSU is staying until 2036
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I’m really surprised no one has contacted you guys
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Jul 31, 2023, 12:07 AM
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…to tap into all of your GOR expertise. I have no idea what, if anything, will happen. I’ve no problem with folks speculating, but pump the brakes on all the projecting what you want to happen as the reality. Just say “I want xyz to happen”.
Personally I’m not even sure what I’d like to see. At times I think the money may blow it all up in the end, and we’ll be back to true student-athletes. That there is just me speculating BTW.
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Re: What part of GOR does everyone not understand?
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Jul 31, 2023, 1:35 AM
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Not if the conference is dissolved by a majority vote.
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Re: What part of GOR does everyone not understand?
Jul 31, 2023, 2:39 AM
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Not if the conference is dissolved by a majority vote.
Unfortunately, that's probably the case and unlikely to happen.
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Re: What part of GOR does everyone not understand?
Jul 31, 2023, 4:29 AM
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My mama said the GOR is the devil
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Re: What part of GOR does everyone not understand?
Jul 31, 2023, 6:51 AM
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Are you aware that the GOR dissolves if 8 ACC teams pick up and leave the conference?
It's time to put on your thinking cap. If you think Clemson and the ACC are lock-step until 2036 I have some swamp land I'd like to sell you.
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Re: What part of GOR does everyone not understand?
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Jul 31, 2023, 7:17 AM
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Where is your swamp land at? Been looking for some waterfront property.
The only way we get 8 teams to vote to dissolve is that all 8 teams have a secure landing spot. Not saying it's not going to happen but seems highly unlikely.
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Re: What part of GOR does everyone not understand?
Jul 31, 2023, 12:21 PM
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Did you read the contract?
Let me put it another way...if the ACC dissolves their is no GOR. It is possible for 8 teams to leave and find landing spots (separately, of course). That's just one possible path forward.
Some people (most) are always a few steps behind big picture stuff. Just because you can't imagine the out doesn't mean it's not an inevitability. There's always a way out, it it were obvious, or easy to do there would be no need for attorneys.
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Re: What part of GOR does everyone not understand?
Jul 31, 2023, 12:27 PM
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Yes I read the contract and it specifically states if any member leaves the conference their rights remain with the conference until the end of the agreement whether it's 1 school or 13 of them.
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Re: What part of GOR does everyone not understand?
Jul 31, 2023, 12:46 PM
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If the ACC dissolves there is no contract. It would be unenforceable. They'll threaten, but they'll lose.
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Re: What part of GOR does everyone not understand?
Jul 31, 2023, 1:19 PM
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The acc will not dissolve.
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Oculus Spirit [96873]
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Doubt you've read the current agreement. You probably read
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Jul 31, 2023, 1:55 PM
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the original GOR agreement but then it was extended as part of the ACCN negotiations (if my understanding is correct). The current agreement appears to be under lock and key, and for any of the member institutions to view it they have to travel to the ACC headquarters in Greensboro.
Did it change materially from the original agreement? Probably not. But since very few people have seen the current agreement, it's pure conjecture.
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Re: What part of GOR does everyone not understand?
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Jul 31, 2023, 7:50 AM
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None of us have had the opportunity to read the GOR contract. If there is a legal way out and Clemson wants out, the contract will legally be broken.
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Re: What part of GOR does everyone not understand?
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Jul 31, 2023, 7:55 AM
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When we aren’t in the ACC by 2028 we’ll revisit this thread.
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I think you are wrong, based just on what the title "Grant
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Jul 31, 2023, 7:59 AM
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of Rights" means. The ACC has signed away (GRANTED) control of those rights to another entity, ESPN, who now has control of them until 2036. Dipso Factoid, the ACC no longer owns them, in any legalese sense of control.
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Re: I think you are wrong, based just on what the title "Grant
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Jul 31, 2023, 9:52 AM
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of Rights" means. The ACC has signed away (GRANTED) control of those rights to another entity, ESPN, who now has control of them until 2036. Dipso Factoid, the ACC no longer owns them, in any legalese sense of control.
My understanding is you can pay your exit fee, but the revenue you get to broadcast your games goes back to the ACC until the 2036. The SEC or Big10 would have to subsidize Clemson in some way to keep us afloat.
“The grant of rights contracts signed by schools, which literally "grant" the "rights" to broadcast their games to their respective conferences for the term of a league-negotiated media rights deal, have become the foundations of two Power Five conferences' stability.”
Source:
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/inside-the-big-12s-ironclad-grant-of-rights-contract-that-helped-keep-the-acc-together-amid-turbulence/
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Re: What part of GOR does everyone not understand?
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Jul 31, 2023, 8:14 AM
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I love when people yell that no one understands something but by their own statement reveals their own lack of understanding. Do better.
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Re: What part of GOR does everyone not understand?
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Jul 31, 2023, 8:17 AM
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The ACC OWNS Clemson’s TV rights until 2036. The ACC is not giving away the only way this conference can survive for any amount of money.
FSU and Clemson are locked into the ACC until 2036.
Please stop all of this nonsense about going to the BIG or SEC. We are locked into the ACC.
When you deal with contracts frequently, you know they are made to be broken. Lots of options for this move from a lawsuit, to negotiating down the cost to dissolving the ACC if enough teams are willing to walk away. Not sure how it will go until the first dominos start to fall. Is the rumors are true, FSU putting the ACC on notice they intend to leave will get the ball rolling.
FWIW, unless a person has actually read the GOR and has the ability to understand the legal jargon, there is no way to access the breakability. Given the stakes, one would assume there is a plan in place.
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Well Hello Justice Scalea I Didn't Know You Posted Here
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Jul 31, 2023, 8:28 AM
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Unless you are an attorney of some renown, why should anyone believe this post more than anything else out on the TNET?
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CU Guru [1045]
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Re: Well Hello Justice Scalea I Didn't Know You Posted Here
Jul 31, 2023, 8:46 AM
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Because it's accurate.
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CU Guru [1534]
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Try walking away from a contract you have signed
Jul 31, 2023, 11:35 AM
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It's not going to end well for you.
To borrow from the Fermi Paradox.. if the GOR is voidable, why hasn't a team left yet?
Do you not think FSU and Clemson have powerful law firms on retainer?
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CU Guru [1351]
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What you dont seem to acknowledge is...
Jul 31, 2023, 1:41 PM
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If 8 of 15 teams choose to leave the conference, the conference is immediately dissolved along with the Grant of Rights.
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Orange Blooded [2145]
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Source?
Jul 31, 2023, 2:00 PM
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I’d like for that to the case but don’t know if it is true.
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