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Most of the Orwellian stuff, I'd argue...

Aug 25, 2021, 2:34 PM

Has been self-inflicted by citizens willing to give up privacy to the government as opposed to downright oppression. We also still have a powerful free market, which was non-existent in 1984 and something many of the people who cite 1984 fail to note.

One issue I have with supposed conservatives championing 1984 (not talking about you, Bengal, just speaking in general) when they haven't actually read or understood the book is how quickly they forgot that they also supported these terrible concepts employed by Big Brother in the novel:

-Our government and military torturing suspects.
-Endless, pointless war.
-The complete decimation of the reputations and careers of people who spoke out against Republican presidencies and war efforts.
-Bush and Obama era NSA spying campaigns on ordinary citizens, and how they wanted Edward Snowden executed for blowing the lid off it.
-Blindly reciting government talking points in the "war on terror".
-Censorship.

And that's just naming a few.

All of these tactics and behaviors are reminiscent of the story, and anyone who supported or still supported them can't start tossing around 1984-esque comparisons just because Tucker Carlson said so.

Just simple observations from a man who has read the novel. I'll loan a copy to CUinTulsa when he finally wants to read it.

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Then again, people who say we're living in the world of 1984 are almost always exaggerating.

I agree here, and also usually miscited as well, particularly on this board. Disagree on Snowden; he uncovered and exposed severe government wrongdoing and abuse.

Orwell wasn't really all the prescient when it comes to today's world, and that's at least partly because he was writing about political conditions that have largely passed away. Sure, the same dangerous human motivations are still there, but the history that Orwell was part of really did "die," as Fukuyama suggested. While I don't think Huxley was any more prescient in terms of predicting anything specifically, his more philosophical Brave New World is much more relevant to us now, I'd argue.

Agree that BNW is more relevant today. I still believe an Orwellian society can be achieved (and dare say some in power would crave it) if our society isn't careful, but he also described something very difficult to achieve as well. His warning was intentionally hyperbolic to ward off lesser examples.

Couple simple troofs….

^^^sucking gubmint teet w/ FBcooch^^^***

You’ve licked the leather off both boots.***

The largest (by far) sucking the govt. teet is The FED...***

Nah, fam. You're gonna have to go a little further up the

How quickly you're forgetting your Trump years.***

Most of the Orwellian stuff, I'd argue...

These bones have been picked over

Re: These bones have been picked over

Snowden discovered nothing illegal...

This is not true.

This doesn't seem correct to me, or at least...

Clapper and Co. perjured themselves under oath to Congress.

I'm not sure how...

Where's Billary's or maybe Epstein's...? Selective secrets.***

HOG CHIT !!!*** Go crawl back under your Chicago School rock.

We are each other's Big Brother.

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