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Re: Small town religion.....
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Feb 22, 2024, 3:37 PM
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Charismatic/Pentecostal is the fastest growing area of Christianity.
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Re: Small town religion.....
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Feb 22, 2024, 3:53 PM
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Link?
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Re: Small town religion.....
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Feb 23, 2024, 12:42 PM
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Research it.
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Re: Small town religion.....
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Feb 22, 2024, 4:11 PM
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Pentecostal / Church of God was our jam growing up.
Ours wasn't snake handling, but definitely encouraged speaking in tongues, people would lay on the ground and shake and all that stuff.
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Re: Small town religion.....
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Feb 22, 2024, 4:17 PM
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Yikes.
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Re: Small town religion.....
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Feb 22, 2024, 4:28 PM
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To be honest, the youth groups were a ton of fun. Lots of normal/typical church activities, but it definitely got weird in our services, lol.
I switched to non-denominational once I got to college
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Pentecostal here. First time I attended a methodist church the silence
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Feb 23, 2024, 8:58 AM
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freaked me out
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Re: Small town religion.....
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Feb 22, 2024, 8:21 PM
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You just wanted to insert a little humor ... and you see what it gets you? 
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Re: Small town religion.....
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Feb 23, 2024, 6:50 AM
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Wait til you see what asking legitimate questions or pointing out errors does
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That's a superficial view.
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Feb 23, 2024, 6:44 PM
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No one is that ignorant. Sure lay-folk in all those churches are stiff necked about their church but God's Church, the born again know that there's not a long detailed entrance exam at the pearly gates.
One question only: "Are your sins covered by the blood of Christ?" I imagine it may be a yes/no question on which checking the right box will give you passage.
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Re: That's a superficial view.
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Feb 23, 2024, 7:51 PM
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The verdict is universal. The sentence is universal. You are saying, I think, that we understand that the pardon is not, and that it has little to do with us.
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Yes, older folks will remember the TV series 'The Millionaire.'
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Feb 23, 2024, 8:11 PM
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A 'benefactor,' would send an agent to give a million dollars to some seemingly random prospective recipient. That may or may not be accurate. It's been a long while since it aired. That's how I remember it.
If someone offered to give me a million bucks I'd have to accept it. The only reason one might turn it down is if they believe it's not real. That's salvation through the Blood of the Lamb in a nutshell. Anyone who honestly believe God's Holy offer will not be able to refuse.
It's free, a gift greater than the wealth of this entire world.
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Re: Yes, older folks will remember the TV series 'The Millionaire.'
Feb 23, 2024, 10:15 PM
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So, why do most turn it down? IMO, it is because something seemingly sacred but worthless has to be given up in its place.
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Re: Yes, older folks will remember the TV series 'The Millionaire.'
Feb 24, 2024, 7:05 AM
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Because being “covered by the blood” is not what church is about.
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Re: Yes, older folks will remember the TV series 'The Millionaire.'
Feb 24, 2024, 7:54 AM
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There are no points earned for being mad at the correct people. No one has the righteous platform from which to claim righteous anger, and being angry does not earn righteousness.
The question proposed by 88 will not include the extra credit addition, "... or which were you angry at, Christians or non Christians?" No points earned for answering that one correctly. It wont even be asked. That will make people angry.
A collection of believers who love people will find more seekers than those condemning people. An angry person does not have the platform from which to judge one from the other. Millions of Christians have been killed, and are being killed, and the rest hated, for not being loving per the 'correct' definition. Anger is a self justifying and blinding emotion.
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Re: Yes, older folks will remember the TV series 'The Millionaire.'
Feb 24, 2024, 10:40 AM
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This is not just "someone gossiped about me at church so now I'm never going again".
Like I've said before it's a culture thing.
You don't get to just become a christian and then simply love your neighbor.
You have to believe this, and that, and wear that, and look like that, and sing this kind of song. You have to have good church attendance and get "involved" and if you don't then you do get gossiped about and called a lukewarm christian or possibly accused of not being a true believer at all.
I listen to it all the time from my family. We'll come home from church and sit at the dinner table and listen to who wasn't there this sunday and why, who wasn't dressed properly, who missed sunday school, who had a drink in the service (god forbid).
And what really annoys me is hearing the preacher bash other preachers or churches for not doing it "right". That's the worst.
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Re: Yes, older folks will remember the TV series 'The Millionaire.'
Feb 24, 2024, 9:18 AM
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>So, why do most turn it down? IMO, it is because something seemingly sacred but worthless has to be given up in its place.
CT88 answered the question:"The only reason one might turn it down is if they believe it's not real."
That's it; that's the reason. It has nothing to do with giving something up or wanting to sin. Nobody in their right mind would choose eternal torture if they thought it was real and understood what it meant.
This isn't hard. There simply isn't sufficient evidence for most people to believe what you are claiming.
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Re: Yes, older folks will remember the TV series 'The Millionaire.'
Feb 24, 2024, 9:23 AM
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Your premise is wrong.
First, 88 can answer better than me, and I'll let him, but I do know he didnt say what you think he said. Or technically, he didnt mean what you are claiming he meant to fit your narrative.
But as to your assumption, people make that choice every day. People refuse to give up what they want regardless of the consequences. If you dont know that, I cant help you. Likewise, given surrendering self for life with Jesus, or holding self and taking the unknown Door B, most choose B. That people make those kinds of choices is a known fact. What you think of Jesus is totally up to you.
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Re: Yes, older folks will remember the TV series 'The Millionaire.'
Feb 24, 2024, 9:49 AM
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Can you clarify where i'm wrong about what he said or what I think he said:
>If someone offered to give me a million bucks I'd have to accept it. The only reason one might turn it down is if they believe it's not real. That's salvation through the Blood of the Lamb in a nutshell. Anyone who honestly believe God's Holy offer will not be able to refuse.
I'm pretty sure I understand and agree exactly with what he is saying. He's making a great point and tells the exact reason I don't "accept it".
>But as to your assumption, people make that choice every day.
Of course they do, nobody is saying otherwise.
>People refuse to give up what they want regardless of the consequences. If you dont know that, I cant help you.
Again, nobody on this side of the conversation is confused. I think you might want to re-read it or maybe this is another instance of you being purposefully obtuse, I'm not sure.
>Likewise, given surrendering self for life with Jesus, or holding self and taking the unknown Door B, most choose B. That people make those kinds of choices is a known fact.
This is a known fact? I think i see the problem, we don't agree on what constitutes fact.
>What you think of Jesus is totally up to you.
Again, you're confused. You are missing the entire point that I don't have sufficient evidence. I would agree with you If I knew Jesus was the messiah, I would then have a choice to make. I don't have evidence for that and I don't know that. So you are basically saying "what you think of bigfoot is up to you".
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Re: Yes, older folks will remember the TV series 'The Millionaire.'
Feb 24, 2024, 9:58 AM
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>But as to your assumption, people make that choice every day.
>Of course they do, nobody is saying otherwise.
I misread this bit, no I don't agree they make THAT choice every day. I read it as making choices every day
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Re: Yes, older folks will remember the TV series 'The Millionaire.'
Feb 24, 2024, 10:40 AM
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Every single day people make choices by blinding themselves to the evidence and known consequences in front of them. The two easiest examples are smokers and heavy drinkers, but it happens with everyone every day. Ideology trumps all. Again, if you know know that as a fact, there is nothing to discuss. Because conclusions do not begin with premises, right? 
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Re: Yes, older folks will remember the TV series 'The Millionaire.'
Feb 24, 2024, 10:50 AM
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>Every single day people make choices by blinding themselves to the evidence and known consequences in front of them. The two easiest examples are smokers and heavy drinkers, but it happens with everyone every day.
Sure, but you are equating something we have verifiable evidence for with something we do not. You are also referring to addicted substances, where choice often becomes a non-factor.
Furthermore, drinking/smoking usually starts at a young impressionable age where the consequences are either too distant/abstract to be material to them.
>Because conclusions do not begin with premises, right?
Are YOU really saying this? come on now.
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Re: Yes, older folks will remember the TV series 'The Millionaire.'
Feb 24, 2024, 2:17 PM
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I agree with none of that. But that's fine. Happy Saturday.
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Re: Yes, older folks will remember the TV series 'The Millionaire.'
Feb 24, 2024, 2:20 PM
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>Furthermore, drinking/smoking usually starts at a young impressionable age where the consequences are either too distant/abstract to be material to them.
You don't agree with this?
Odd... but ok.
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Feb 24, 2024, 11:26 AM
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"The two easiest examples are smokers and heavy drinkers"
Let's not forget gluttons.
You won't find any public drinkers in a baptist social hall but you'll find plenty of obese people stuffing theirselves with fried chicken.
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Re: Yes, older folks will remember the TV series 'The Millionaire.'
Feb 24, 2024, 2:15 PM
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When moving to Tulsa we built a house. This was before you could walk into Lowes and have them do decent custom cabinets delivered to fit the plans, so on the day the cabinet guy was there he asked, "I assume you want a Baptist liquor cabinet."
"Sounds like something I'd want, but I'm not sure what you mean."
"You know - a Baptist liquor cabinet - pretty standard, but you haven't mentioned it."
"Okay, so tell me what that is."
"C'mon, you know, that cabinet above the refrigerator."
We still laugh about that, not the term so much, though that too, but the fact that he considered it completely standard phraseology in the business, like 'counter top'.
Anyway, yes, the supremacy of self over known consequence is common to all. It is who we are. We want what we want, and we will bend any truth to fit whatever that is.
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Re: Yes, older folks will remember the TV series 'The Millionaire.'
Feb 24, 2024, 2:29 PM
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That is hilarious, i'll have to use that one.
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Re: Yes, older folks will remember the TV series 'The Millionaire.'
Feb 24, 2024, 5:35 PM
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There is lots of evidence that smoking, drinking, and poor diet lead to cancer/heart disease though...
Literally no evidence exists for what happens after we die. I think that is echoes point.
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We seem to agree. Yes, in spite of known consequences, people choose to do what they want. Evidence for Jesus being who he said he was will have little effect on most people.
I was replying to you. I already know what his point is. I dont agree with it, for objective reasons, and I'm happy leaving it at that. He, and anyone, can say, "no evidence", and while I know that's not true I can feel no need to argue it. Happy Saturday.
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Re: Yes, older folks will remember the TV series 'The Millionaire.'
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Happy Saturday to you as well. It's been a good one. Getting ready to go pick up some wings for the game tonight...
I would love to hear the evidence for what happens after we die. Not for Jesus being who he said he was. If he was the son of god or not that doesn't prove what happens after we die, as Jesus himself was not perfectly clear on this.
He spoke of hell, but I've read that the term he used for this word was actually referring to a physical place right outside Jerusalem where people dumped their trash and it was burned. "Gehenna" was the word. It was considered by Jews to be the most god forsaken place on earth.
Hell as we know it today, a place of eternal torment, was a greek/christian idea, not a Jewish one that Jesus would have been familiar with.
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Re: Yes, older folks will remember the TV series 'The Millionaire.'
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I don't think anyone can say that exactly this or that happens at physical death, not that it matters what I think; what it is, it is. Jesus spoke of hell quite a bit, in terms such as 'place of darkness', 'weeping', and 'depart from me, for I never knew you'. As to heaven, he said to the one executed beside him, "Today you will be with me in paradise", and to the 12 during the passover dinner, "I go to prepare a place for you". He speaks of a judgement time separating one from the other.
If someone says those are indistinct descriptions, fine. In human terms, CS Lewis's descriptions seems as good as any, that we get what we chose, life either with Him or independent from Him. His description of the latter is not pleasant, though it is simply what we see on earth taken to its unhindered conclusion. I don't know who said this, but "I would rather be punished by a God who loves me than be turned over to the humanity I have come to know", likely says it well. Not a pleasant eternity, but one humanity will create.
So it comes back, imo, to whether Jesus was who he said he was. The evidence for that is another subject.
So far so good on the game: you bought the right ribs. Keep 'em going.
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Re: Yes, older folks will remember the TV series 'The Millionaire.'
Feb 24, 2024, 7:03 PM
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There is evidence for the resurrection in the same way there is evidence for the earth being flat. Yes, both exist, neither are of the same type/quality that there are for the consequences of drinking/smoking.
Simply saying there is evidence for something is a weak argument. There is evidence batman exists, i saw where it says he was here in a bathroom once.
So this “no evidence” is an argument YOU make. You know exactly what is meant when someone says no evidence, let’s not be pedantic.
There is not a single bit of verifiable evidence for anything supernatural.
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