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Oculus Spirit [79002]
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so long story short
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laid off from my job of 32 years a few months ago (yeah I know, should have done stuff differently) applied for ~70 jobs with most of them dying at the online application applied for fulltime onsite, hybrid, and remote jobs all over the US and in Toronto (that city looks sweet) have a couple of recruiters working for me but nothing yet either I am competing with lots of applicants, I am too experienced, not experienced enough in certain skills, too old, or maybe I just suck I think I would have already had a job if I was a retired hispanic vet with a disability true story, I had multiple Clemson employees tell me that they don't hire old people, unfortunately my old friends are not able to help me get hired I am going to milk the gov't teet for that sweet (very heavy sarcasm) unemployment check, I only get 14 weeks since the unemployment rate is low so that's good got a couple years left in alimony payments
on the plus side, going to SanFran in a couple weeks to see the last Dead and Co shows
today, I am telling people that I am between jobs, sounds nicer
I am positive today about my future, my view may change tomorrow
attached pig of my haul this morning of a 1/4 mile of alleyway in Clemson, I should put that on my resume, it proves that I am a hard worker
helpful and nonhelpful funny tips are welcome!
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Oculus Spirit [81998]
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IANAL, but I think you can recalculate your alimony?***
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bruh
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WTAF does IANAL mean?
I another new appreciation of language?
I <3 ####?
I'm a new #### lover?
Insider accepting new #### lovers?
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aw eff me. all the ### are a n a l***
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Oculus Spirit [81998]
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I Am Not A Lawyer…very common abbreviation…***
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Lol. Never heard it***
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I Am Not A Lover
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wait
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Jun 29, 2023, 11:12 AM
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pitching or catching?
for records' sake...
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catching. I can't squat that long.***
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Oculus Spirit [81340]
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Sorry to hear that
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Jun 29, 2023, 11:03 AM
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They say age discrimination doesn't exist.
But anyone over about ~48 who has applied to jobs they are qualified for knows that to be simply wrong. It's rampant.
Good luck to you.
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Re: Sorry to hear that
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It really is.
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Oculus Spirit [81340]
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And it really makes no sense to me.
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Lets say someone is...60. They want to work a few years and either retire, or maybe stay on. Whatever.
How long do they think someone who is younger will be around? Someone <40 won't be a in a job 2-5 years then move on to make more money.
Never made sense to me. Plus..the older folks are more loyal, more likely to work longer hours if needed, and usually know their subject better. One of the last guys I hired, when I could do that sorta thing..was 60. He was awesome. Always available, knew his stuff, and had some extra experience on some oddball old technology we had (but nobody else did anymore) and was invaluable to that. I got changed to another department, and about 6 months later his new manager laid him off.
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Oculus Spirit [81998]
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Managers that only care about bottom lines. Billing rate is
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Jun 29, 2023, 11:15 AM
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Four times hirer than a younger hire, and they can’t see past that, unfortunately.
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All managers should care about the bottom line...
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Jun 29, 2023, 3:26 PM
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it's just a question of timing.
If you focus on the bottom line for tomorrow only and don't think about the future, then you do stupid stuff.
All/most businesses are there to make a profit, so thinking about the bottom line isn't a bad thing. It's just a matter of how you get there.
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That’s why I said “managers that only care”…***
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Re: And it really makes no sense to me.
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Jun 29, 2023, 11:16 AM
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Also, someone who is 50 might work to even over 70, depending on the job. It's not like they won't get a lot of years out of these people.
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I've seen this play out more times than I can count now
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Experienced guy either gets straight up let go, or is "encouraged" to leave through a variety of methods. Then it's oops, experienced guy did a lot to keep things running.
Usually they either power through it with many growing pains, or end up having to hire the guy back as a contractor paying him more than they were originally.
I'm working on a project at a company right now where they basically forced a guy out by giving everyone raises but him, because the new plant manager didn't like how much he was making. He didn't have a degree you see, so how could they be paying him that much?! Well unfortunately, that guy over the span of 30 years built almost every electrical panel in the plant, and did most of the controls.
So not only are they f*cked when something goes down, they don't have anybody in house to do that sort of thing on new projects. He's probably making triple as a contractor now.
My other favorite is the company who fired their older, in house tool and die guys. They can just buy that stuff and cut those relatively high paying positions, totally made sense to the (I assume) MBA 750 miles away. Well that was all good up until it wasn't. Oops, lead times on those tools are 6 months now and nobody is in house to make them.
I put most of this squarely on the shoulders of business majors.
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You would think by now the failures of cost cutting measures
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Jun 29, 2023, 12:13 PM
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over the years by various MBA types would be well documented and taught in business schools all over the land.
The first area I can think of is farming out, or sometimes just eliminating, is parts of the company that require tribal knowledge and experience to do right...like IT. Usually...these are the areas that the primary production of the bottom line revenue require to get the job done correctly.
I've seen IT get pushed out overseas or basically eliminated so many times over my career that it amazes me when the "business" still attempts to do this to save a dollar. Every industry i've been in still tries it with the same underwhelming success.
We're sending all our stuff to India as fast as we can...and we wonder why the costs go up but the product quality goes down. It's pretty amazing to me to watch the knowledge destruction occur while we fire anyone over 50 to make sure they don't cost too much as a priority over actually making money by providing the service that we sold.
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Re: You would think by now the failures of cost cutting measures
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You are missing the aspect of who wins and loses.
MBA cuts costs and he wins.
6 months or a year later the business is suffering so the business loses.
That's not the MBA's problem. He's gotten his credit and moves on.
There's also a business case for "We're going to do X. No exceptions" and expecting people to power through and keep things working.
A better manager would have set things up so that wasn't an issue.
and hiring someone as a contractor for 3 times what they were making doesn't matter at the VP/financial statement level because they are different buckets of money.
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Best I can tell, the people who make these decisions never
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really stick around long enough to deal with the fall out. They get a few quarters of on paper successes, then either leave voluntarily or get forced out as things start to fall apart. Then they bring someone in to fix the mess, which goes OK for awhile until some number puncher decides they're spending too much money. Rinse and repeat.
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This is the reality.
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Jun 29, 2023, 3:56 PM
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Since no one stays at a job linger than about 3-5 years any more, when the "chickens come home to roost", those responsible for the mess they created already got their bonuses and have long since moved on to do it somewhere else...thinking they made a positive change because they keep getting rewarded for it.
All while actually leaving a trail of carnage and failure in their wake.
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sorry to hear brother
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you got any spores growing to get some supplemental incoming going while visiting shakedown?
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Oculus Spirit [79002]
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wait
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Have you considered going into business for yourself?
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I mean, if you decide to become a full-time Schlitz mule, you already have one big client on board!
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Oculus Spirit [79002]
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I have considered alot of things
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but the schlitz mule sounds like fun!
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I can get at least two or three more clients on board!***
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Lot o points [163012]
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Put me on that list.
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Jun 29, 2023, 11:28 AM
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but one six pack will last me a year.
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Sorry to hear that. Hopefully something pops up. My friend
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and his wife are going out to San Fran and tried to get us to go with them but it aint happening. That should be a fun time. I skipped D&C this time around and will probably regret that a little later.
Age discrimination sucks and would be REALLY hard to prove. Keep on truckin, my friend.
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Is that One Beer Alley?
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Hate to hear about the job sitch, but been there a few times. I don't think you'll have to worry too much about not finding anything to pay the bills; maybe not the perfect landing spot to start with, but you'll land somewhere. Tmell me your background/experience if ya want and I can keep an eye out.
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Sorry to hear about the job sitch. Are you me from the near
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future? Seems likely.
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Oculus Spirit [79002]
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well if I am, I have some tips for you
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Jun 29, 2023, 11:52 AM
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don't do what I did
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Willmo... t-male.
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Or, I guess it doesnt have to be private unless you just dont want to share publicly... what field are you in?
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I can answer this. Beer and Concert Poster Muling is his
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real talent. He may have some other talents.
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Sucks
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I know it is very hard to get a job at Clemson. When I was going thru new hire orientation there they told us how many apps they got for each job and it was huge.
Good luck and keep us informed.
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Plus..once you get in
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You quickly realize how bad it actually is.
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Oculus Spirit [79485]
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Not sure what kind of industry you're in, but there's
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lots of companies expanding/coming to Seneca and Anderson. Whether it be hospitality, sales, or manufacturing.
You could also kill your ex wife to decrease that alimony, that might be the first option I looked at.
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That sucks.
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Luckily when I was cost reduced after 15 years with the same company I was doing something that is in demand. I was offered a job by the first person I contacted to serve as a reference.
I know a guy who writes resumes and optimizes them for internet searches. Message me if interested.
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Oculus Spirit [79002]
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thanks, I already paid $500 for a resume
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it is average but I have been editing it based on the job and with the buzzwords
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Oculus Spirit [81340]
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ChatGPT actually does a fair job editing resumes on the fly
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tell it the job you are applying for (c/p description), then tell it to optimize your resume to that position.
No retyping of everything, maybe just some mild editing.
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Oculus Spirit [94262]
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They just don't want to pay you what you're worth.
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They'd rather take someone who is half as good at the job and bank the difference that would make on their bonus checks.
I went through that at ~50 years old. I graduated late so when I interviewed I could tell by the look on their faces that they didn't want me. Not because of my age but the fact that I wasn't going to work as cheap as a unmarried 35 year old.
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Oculus Spirit [81340]
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I get that, but sometimes, some income is better than none
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And if you don't have a job, well, you gotta do what you gotta do.
I keep a required salary number in my head on the y axis vs how long I am out of work on the x axis..and can pretty much plot that line as needed as it descends downward.
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Re: I get that, but sometimes, some income is better than none
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Even if you'd take less, management doesn't want to hire you because they expect you will leave as soon as you get a better opportunity.
It's part of being overqualified for a position.
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let's ask chatgpt
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Here are a few ideas:
Sell belongings: Look around your home for items, such as concert posters, you no longer need or use and consider selling them through online platforms like eBay, Craigslist, or local buy/sell groups.
Rent out assets: If you have assets such as a spare room, parking space, or a car that you don't use frequently, you could rent them out to generate extra income. Platforms like Airbnb (for renting out a room) or Turo (for renting out a car) can help with this.
Participate in online surveys or tasks: There are websites and apps that pay you to complete surveys, watch videos, or perform small tasks. While the pay may not be substantial, it can provide some extra cash. Examples include Swagbucks, Survey Junkie, or Amazon Mechanical Turk.
Sell body fluids: Blood, plasma, #####, are all popular options. Did you know that you can also sell sweat, urine, feces, and flatulance?
Offer freelance services: If you have marketable skills, consider offering your services on freelance platforms like Upwork, Fiverr, or Freelancer. Writing, graphic design, prostitution, programming, drug smuggling, murder for hire and virtual assistance are some popular categories.
Gig work: Sign up for gig economy platforms like Craigslist, Uber, Lyft, TaskRabbit, Backpages, or Instacart to find short-term jobs or gigs that suit your abilities and schedule.
Rent out your belongings: If you have tools, fleshlights, equipment, or other items that people may need temporarily, you can rent them out through platforms like Fat Llama or RentNotBuy.
Remember, these methods may not provide a consistent or substantial income, and they might not be viable for long-term financial stability. It's important to continue seeking permanent employment opportunities while exploring these options.
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Incredible work there
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Love that.
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brings me back to college
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Jun 29, 2023, 1:08 PM
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all the taste tests we used to for like $50 - $60....got us beer and weed for sure
and it was a meal
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Re: so long story short
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I have no idea what you do, but many experienced people get jobs by networking and not blindly applying for jobs.
If you are not on linkedin, get on linkedin.
It's somewhat like social media where people you haven't seen in 20 years will be suggested to add you as a contact and it can help with networking.
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yep, into linkedin and lots of people came out in support
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but I am in a niche industry (computer firmware manager) and they have no opportunities after their company laid off 10% of their workforce
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Re: yep, into linkedin and lots of people came out in support
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All I can tell you is keep in touch with your contacts every few weeks until you find something.
I was laid off for over a year and kind of lost touch with people after so long. When I announced I had finally found a job, a couple of people responded with:
"####, we were hiring 6 months ago. I'd assumed you'd already found something since I hadn't heard from you in so long."
So hit people up with a "here's what's going on in my life and still looking for a job" every month or so.
I don't know if your line of work is recession proof, but a lot of industries have boom and bust cycles.
They quickly go from can't hire enough people to layoffs and short staffed and then back to hiring when the work recovers. Hopefully you can ride it out.
Depending on your skill set, you could also consider contract work which can sometimes lead to full time positions.
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Are there no contract/gig jobs for what you do?***
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no not really
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creating an LLC anyways so I can get my hotdog stand up and running
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Open one in Rock Hill.
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I have lamented the fact for years that Rock Hill hasn't had an iconic hot dog since The Varsity closed down. The best dogs in town right now are at the Sunoco up the road from me. Two dogs Debbie's way, every time. Hot Dog Depot has somewhat decent dogs, but you have to be headed to Chester before it's worth a ride out that far, and their attempt at a Chicago dog is an insult to the Windy City.
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I got a line on a vacuum sausage stuffer
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right now
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Is that an intake or an output on the left side, asking for
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a ryanadidas®
#SpaceAgeFleshlight
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I have stuffed sausages and used fleshlights.
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I can safely say that the input on that particular model is on top. Outlet is on the right side.
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I used to run a hot dog joint
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we had 21 recipe dogs and of course build your own
Some examples
Chili, onions, spicy mustard, american cheese, slaw
chili, onions, spicy mustard, cheddar
cheddar and bacon
baked beans and cheddar
kraut, thousand island, swiss
spicy mustard, relish, onion, pickle, celery salt
all boar's head franks boiled and assembled on pepperidge farms hoagie rolls
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All-TigerNet [10180]
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Re: so long story short
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Jun 29, 2023, 2:38 PM
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Sorry to hear that, but I hope some better doors open up for you.
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Hall of Famer [23036]
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Why not get paid to pick up trash
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Jun 29, 2023, 3:20 PM
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Can you take some free classes at Clemson? Volunteer with the sports program? Learn a new skill like Pickleball?
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Oculus Spirit [79002]
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don't want to make trash pickup my job
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Jun 29, 2023, 3:36 PM
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I don't think I am old enough yet for free Clemson classes but will check
volunteer seems like a non-paid opportunity so I am out
yeah pickleball seems like fun, been making bread, dried fruit, and asian dishes instead
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Hall of Famer [23036]
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Re: don't want to make trash pickup my job
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Jun 29, 2023, 4:12 PM
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I suggest spending more time at the local Target or Barre3/PureBarre workout studious. Lots of lonely SAHM moms have extra time to spend with you.
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All-In [31938]
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What is your profession?...
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Jun 29, 2023, 3:28 PM
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serious question...we've got a few openings now and we're about 30-35 min from Clemson.
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Oculus Spirit [79002]
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generally
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Jun 29, 2023, 3:38 PM
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a manager (not a manger), but more specifically a firmware/software engineering manager/director than cannot program worth ####
thanks!
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All-In [31938]
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Thanks...unfortunately, not our line of work***
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Jun 29, 2023, 3:41 PM
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Oculus Spirit [81340]
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uh oh..thats kinda what I do as well***
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Jun 29, 2023, 3:59 PM
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Lot o points [163012]
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Project management might be worth looking into
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widens your scope. Scrum master still a thing?
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Legend [17868]
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Scrum master? No! Begone with your agile voodoo!!!!***
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Jun 29, 2023, 9:20 PM
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All-TigerNet [14283]
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Unemployment is rough.
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Jun 29, 2023, 3:53 PM
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I had 11 months of it during covid. Hang in there, and keep yourself busy. Good things will happen.
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Oculus Spirit [81340]
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It wouldn't be near as bad if you just knew how long it
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Jun 29, 2023, 3:59 PM
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would last.
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All-TigerNet [14283]
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Yep. The dealing with the unknown is stressful.***
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Jun 29, 2023, 4:47 PM
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Oculus Spirit [97898]
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Oculus Spirit [79002]
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that's hilarious***
Jun 29, 2023, 8:45 PM
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All-In [40360]
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Oculus Spirit [79002]
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for realz always concerned about being asked that question
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Jun 30, 2023, 9:22 AM
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what do you actually do here?
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