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CU Medallion [55851]
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So what are your opinions on gentrified downtown Clemson?
Nov 21, 2022, 11:45 AM
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APM was shocked, but will hang up and listen before commenting.
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Natural consequence of Clemson rising in the national profile
Nov 21, 2022, 11:46 AM
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Market gonna market.
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Ohh...but they fought such a good fight. They really did.
Nov 21, 2022, 11:52 AM
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Started when I was a student. Made Wal-Mart build outside of town. Fought every attempt at progress, wanted to save the small town atmosphere, yada yada. But the money flowed in, the businesses flowed in, and there was nothing they could do, they caved.
And rightfully so. No use fighting. Even my town, Lexington, is still fighting a good fight, a losing one. The only other option is to fight it until people don't want to live there, and then you're worse off. Just let the schools get too full, the roads gridlock, and people will stop moving in and move out.
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They didn't fight.
Nov 21, 2022, 11:53 AM
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Wal-Mart just didn't offer crooked pols like Larry Abernathy and the rest of the city council the $$$ that grifters like Winkopp did.
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The only way Clemson could have slowed it is by capping
Nov 21, 2022, 11:57 AM
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enrollment, so demand for housing slowed. But even then, you have a massive inflow of money coming from football's success, also fueled by the wealth of successful graduates.
Small school. Bowden-esque program. Nobody wants to travel to the games. No need for "gameday villas," hotels, restaurants, etc.
KMS alone increased Clemson's yearly GDP by at least .5% last weekend. Cause she still got it.
There is also a matter of perspective. The change from "Lil' ole Clemson" is true if you went to school back in the day. If you're a freshman, today's Clemson is all you know. I bet if we went back to the way it was pre-2000, students graduating today would think it turned into a dump.
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OR if Obed built a time machine and killed Baby Winkopp.***
Nov 21, 2022, 11:57 AM
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That's my own little Skynet quest.***
Nov 21, 2022, 11:59 AM
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QUEEN.***
Nov 21, 2022, 12:13 PM
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Naw man, it had a ton of charm, and more importantly
Nov 21, 2022, 12:25 PM
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parking spaces that didn't feel like a lotto win when you got one.
Central was a dumpy downtown.
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Charm is a salesman's word for dump. Also quaint.
Nov 21, 2022, 12:39 PM
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I loved it. Don't get me wrong. But shag pile carpet on the wall of TTT, which was the nicest bar? And what was the nicest place to eat downtown? Niffers?
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Ha, Niffer's actually came up in conversation on Saturday
Nov 21, 2022, 1:20 PM
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night with a group of people who didn't attend Clemson and had no idea what Niffer's was. We were talking about earth-shattering inventions, and I believed in 1995 that Niffer's had invented the jalapeno popper, thus revolutionizing bar food forever.
Turns out, Niffer's was just ordering shit from Sysco like the other 87,000 bars across the country.
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Can’t believe Clemson temporarily embraced
Nov 21, 2022, 1:21 PM
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A carpetbagging Auburn institution
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That kind of stuff happened all the time
Nov 21, 2022, 1:23 PM
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before we had internet. Would have never gotten off the ground if somebody tried that now.
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When you see it all the time, it kinda just grows on you.
Nov 21, 2022, 11:51 AM
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Like on campus, I was so against tearing down the Clemson House. But after teaching in the new building, it is great to have this on campus along with all the other ones in Douthit Hills or whatever that is called.
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My daughter is staying in Douthit next year
Nov 21, 2022, 1:26 PM
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they've got a ####### pool outside.
I swear, I think it's nicer than my house
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That's because we've allowed Colleges to become resorts
Nov 21, 2022, 12:16 PM
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instead of basic education centers. People wonder why college costs so much - look no further than today's student living arrangements with all it's extras.
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"no son of mine will be living lakeside without an outside
Nov 21, 2022, 12:19 PM
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fireplace and marble countertops. We're not barbarians."
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I remember when the absolute nicest places in town were
Nov 21, 2022, 12:21 PM
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that cluster of 4 townhomes directly across from Lot 2. All seemed to be owned by rich sorority girl parents, and I recall being amazed that one of them had a hot tub too.
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yep***
Nov 21, 2022, 12:23 PM
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I'd really like to know how much Wynkoop made swindling
Nov 21, 2022, 12:30 PM
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Seneca and his business partner out of the old JP Steven land where the Pier is now.
It has to be in the dozens of millions by this point.
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Hang on, I'l find out
Nov 21, 2022, 12:31 PM
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CaptCrash can you ask Tommy this when you tee off with him today at noon?
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I'll ask him***
Nov 21, 2022, 1:11 PM
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And I'd also love to know how much
Nov 21, 2022, 12:33 PM
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Dorie Helms made when she partnered with Winkopp on the Highpointe apartments and used her Clemson influence to require all bridge students to live there.
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Is it confirmed that she was a partner in that?
Nov 21, 2022, 12:35 PM
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That whole thing stunk to high heaven.
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I’m not gonna say my older memories are dead
Nov 21, 2022, 1:26 PM
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Reliable these days, but yes, I believe it was confirmed. I recall some sort of technicality BS firewall being put in place between her and the bridge program mandate to offer her plausible deniability, but we know how that goes at CU.
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The Bridge Program...
Nov 21, 2022, 3:24 PM
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May be the greatest scam in our school's history and no one stopped to really question it.
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I think it was/is brilliant
Nov 21, 2022, 3:35 PM
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feeder for those student who drop out after one semester.
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Best apartment I ever had was the first set of townhouses
Nov 21, 2022, 2:10 PM
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on Sloan Street, not sure if they are still standing. Total dump but the best location. Lived there for summer school after my freshman year. I'm really lucky my parents wouldn't let me live there for a school year because certainly I would have flunked out or died.
We'd come home to an absolute wasteland of passed out people in our apartment every night. 1999 Clemson you could leave your apartment unlocked for your friends to have a safe haven and at an age where sharing a twin size bed with a friend or sleeping on the floor wouldn't be painful.
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*pastes url link to my post history from the past 5 years****
Nov 21, 2022, 11:52 AM
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pros and cons
Nov 21, 2022, 2:23 PM
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food at the Shepard Hotel is good and balcony serving drinks is excellent. They also employ special needs folks which is really cool, better than a bank there
ole stalwarts are still there and rockin, Nicks, Backstreets, TTT x2, TDs, ...
Evolve has good food, Zen Den owner is cool and has a good place, Loose Change has best burgers, Todaro's has good pie
the large apartment buildings are too large and some can't even be lived in half of the time
Lots has changed, lots have remained the same
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I suspect my opinion would be more moderate if I were also
Nov 21, 2022, 11:58 AM
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around it daily and experienced the changes in incremental degrees.
It's like a person you know gaining 60 pounds. If you see them every day, it's subtle. If you haven't seen them since last Thanksgiving when they were skinny, it's like holeesheet.
I just wasn't able to get to town as much as I liked for a while, so when I get back now I feel like Chrissy Hynde singing "Ohio".
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I don't love it but it could be a lot worse. I mostly miss
Nov 21, 2022, 11:59 AM
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the local restaurants that have closed (RIP Ancheauxs) though I make it a habit to hit up Todaros, TTTs, and Backstreets when back in town.
The ubiquitous chains aren't anything special and the apartments are overbuilt. But I can still have fun downtown.
To be honest, the changes on campus bother me more.
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OMG, I could not name a building past the STI.
Nov 21, 2022, 12:03 PM
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First time seeing the chapel, which is nice, but what are all the other buildings?
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They've generally done a nice job with the new building
Nov 21, 2022, 12:05 PM
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architecture, but that Tech building and it's godawful...sorry APM...G_dawful led screen on the side of the building is like a South of the Border billboard next to the Sistine Chapel.
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It's a lil different but not much different. It's still
Nov 21, 2022, 12:02 PM
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very small with Nick's, TTT, and the new Study Hall still intact.
Not a big deal, and I still love it.
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What is the basis of comparison?
Nov 21, 2022, 12:34 PM
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Coastal Florida cities Mt Pleasant / Charleston / IOP Atlanta Charlotte Greenville Fond old memories
Better than all but the last one. Kind of relative.
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IOP has been limited
Nov 21, 2022, 1:00 PM
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There's only so much land available. But the McMansions are terrible.
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The downtown area is just the tip of the iceberg
Nov 21, 2022, 12:39 PM
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I live in the area do I'm a but more jaded by the actual gentrification taking place in the city limits.what is going downtown is just more of the same...poorly planned expansion. Poorly constructed apartments (google sewage backup earle street) that arent full because there are more apartments than students the commercial spaces are over priced.
I'm typing on my phone because could on and on about the good, the bad, and the ugly.
growth is fine and to be expected I like having more options downtown. I hope we can build up more small businesses there vs empty store fronts. in totality, the university and the town don't communicate well and it shows. the city planned for growth on campus...that wasn't necessarily in line with what the university had in mind (they are building up campuses on Greenville, Charleston, not just clemson) . so yes, the numbers are increasing, but not necessarily in the city of clemson. yet the city took these numbers as a mandate to approve more and more student housing. meanwhile there is no affordable single family housing. anyway, I ended up ranting anyway....
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The apartments where the "your pie" pizza joint is were
Nov 21, 2022, 12:59 PM
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humorous to me. Nobody could move in and they sat empty for quite a while..because there wasn't enough room to get a fire truck in there.
I don't know how they ever solved that. Money, I assume.
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Paywall, can't see but that sucks.***
Nov 21, 2022, 1:48 PM
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Sorry, I do subscribe. Here it is
Nov 21, 2022, 1:55 PM
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Clemson's growth threatens its Black communities. Residents are fighting back. Zoe Nicholson Greenville News
Before the City of Clemson existed as it does today, the Shaw Homestead was the lifeblood of Calhoun's African American community. Eight acres on a grassy hillside, bordered what is now U.S. 123. It was a chicken coop, a grocery store, an herb garden, a makeshift football field and a homestead.
Then, it was nothing.
Fifty years after the death of patriarch and landowner George Richard Shaw, his children sold the land to Thomas and Virginia Skelton, two well-known educators who owned dozens of parcels in the city, according to property sales' records.
Rosa Grayden, Shaw's granddaughter, watched as the first house on the property was demolished shortly after its 1983 sale. Wood splintered and metal creaked as Grayden, then a teenager, watched the house crumble. She remembers crying, and felt a sense of foreboding. She "knew what it meant to own land."
"So once that began to happen, everything else became like a domino effect."
Rosa Grayden, a community activist in Clemson who has been working to fight gentrification, stands on a bridge over Tiger Boulevard on Dec. 30. The bridge, once a wooden bridge, connects the Calhoun community in which her family has roots. In the years since, developers, property ownership issues and rising land prices have crept into Clemson's five historically Black neighborhoods — Abel, Calhoun, Cadillac Height, Vista and Red Hill — threatening to push the long-standing communities of Black families out of Clemson for good.
But residents want to stop that.
Grayden is part of The Shaw Center for Housing and Economic Growth (named for her grandparents), a newly formed nonprofit with the two-pronged mission of increasing quality of life in Clemson's Black communities and assisting landowners with the complex and expensive legal work needed to ensure their land is safe from encroachment.
The center's first official board meeting is Monday Jan. 11, and plans to hire a staff member are underway, according to founder John Fulmer.
'Land is gold' in Clemson The growth of Clemson University has bled out into the city, bringing luxury apartments, chain restaurants, and 10 hotels within a 10-mile radius.
Since 2011, home prices in Clemson, which has just 7.5 square miles of land and not much room to grow, have risen 46%, according to Zillow.
Some of the only remaining properties big enough for student housing complexes, though, are in or near many of Clemson's Black neighborhoods, according to Todd Steadman, the city's Director of Planning and Codes.
“Land is money. Land is gold,” Grayden said at a February community meeting to address growth issues in the city.
Home prices in Clemson are about $300,000, higher than Greenville's average, according to the city's strategic planning consultant. But in Clemson's Black neighborhoods, parcels of land and homes are valued much lower, dropping as low as $1,000, according to Pickens County real property maps.
An empty home along Lincoln Drive in the Cadillac Heights community of Clemson January 2021. Nationwide, Black-owned homes are undervalued by an average of $48,000, according to a 2019 research report presented to Congress.
And when no title exists for a property, owners can be "lowballed" by buyers. Grayden always believed it happened to her father, who was the youngest of the four siblings who sold the Shaw property.
According to deed stamp rates in South Carolina, George Shaw's property sold for about $12,000, which is roughly $30,000 in today's money.
The properties that exist on the Shaw land now -- a KFC, a credit union, a law office, and an AutoZone -- equate to more than $3 million in current market values, according to the Pickens County real property map.
When she learned of what her family had been paid, Grayden "felt sick." By selling out early instead of leasing the land, she said her family lost their chance at "generational wealth."
And where they still own land, Clemson's Black residents also own immense pride for the neighborhoods, according to community surveys conducted by the Shaw Center.
But student apartments, abandoned homes and unkempt properties have decreased quality of life and tarnished the tight-knit feel of the places.
So instead of buying land and building new affordable housing, the center wants to fix what's already built. Members will help with “quality of life” enhancements in the neighborhoods, including lawn care, house demolitions and improvements, Fulmer said.
Heirs' Property brings host of issues But land prices are just a piece of the puzzle affecting Black property ownership in Clemson. It’s who owns the land, too.
Heirs' Property is a common practice for Black property owners. It's when land gets passed to all living descendants of an owner, up to 70 people can be listed on a single deed.
Clearing up the legal mess heirs' property issues wrought can be expensive and rip open familial wounds by making it hard for families to know what their land is worth, how it's been transferred in public record and who makes decisions regarding the property.
Heirs' issues can create rifts and conflicts within families.
Joanne Hill grew up on her family’s land on Fruster and Banks Streets in Clemson. Hill recently moved back after decades living in the Washington D.C. area to care for the property, which sits adjacent to her cousin’s property. Those parcels have been in the family for more than 100 years, Hill said.
Before her grandmother’s death, Hill begged the woman to sell her property to someone she trusted, “because it’s going to be a problem” if she left it to all her heirs, the retired municipal worker said. Her grandmother refused. Soon after she passed, Hill said her aunt changed the locks on her family home, barring her sister from entering.
Joanne Hills, 61, stands between where her mother, Dorothy Jones, and her aunt, Ann Warren, live. The home behind her was her grandmother's and Hills says she has many memories of growing up there. Hills hopes to move into the neighborhood one day. "We need to keep properties in the hands of the people who care about them and not in the hands of a developer," Hills says. And it's creating conflict in Hill's own backyard, where a shed has sat for 25 years, partially on her cousin's property, unbeknownst to her.
"Over the years that property line has moved closer and closer. So now my cousin is fighting with me because we have a shed that's been there for 25 years. And she says it's on her property and I need to move it."
Grayden has seen her family’s land wealth diminish over the years, too.
George Shaw purchased his land after being released from the state penitentiary, where he served six years as a convict laborer at the newly created Clemson College. Shaw bought up to 100 acres of land around the area, according to family rumors Grayden has heard. To this day, she doesn’t know where they all are, nor who owns them.
“I would sure enough love to know where the rest of that family land is,” Grayden said.
The issues plaguing Black landowners have been baked into real estate and legal processes since Emancipation and affect most communities in the South, according to the U.S. Dept. of Agriculture.
After emancipation, Black land ownership peaked in 1910 at about 16 million acres, according to the Dept. of Agriculture. Eighty-two years later, Black-owned property dipped to 2.3 million acres, the USDA found.
“Heirs’ property is believed to be a significant factor in this decline,” the 2019 report found.
“I’m not selling' Clemson has been a hub for development for more than a decade. Since Dabo Swinney led the Clemson Tigers to their first winning season in years in 2011 and the school has climbed national academic rankings lists, enrollment has skyrocketed.
The influx of students has meant an influx of housing. In the past five years, at least six student housing apartment complexes have been built in city limits.
Hill said she gets fliers in her mailbox “every day” from developers wanting to buy her family's land, presumably for townhouses or apartments. Her neighbors get them, too, she said.
Rosa Grayden, a community activist in Clemson who has been working to fight gentrification, stands on property where she played as a child, Wednesday, December 30, 2020. Several homes once stood on the land adjacent to a bridge over Tiger Boulevard. The bridge, once a wooden bridge, connects the Calhoun community in which her family has roots. But with few job opportunities outside of higher education or the service industry, many of Clemson’s young Black families are moving out in search of better jobs.
“The people are dying out, the younger generation is not coming back. And they are more interested in making a dollar than in preservation of the community,” Hill said. Her own son, 29, lives in Washington D.C. and “will never come back here.”
“We need to make that generation aware because, unfortunately, a lot of these properties are going to heirs who have no vested interest in the community,” she said.
While Hill said she is “cautiously optimistic” that the Shaw Center will help accomplish just that, she hopes the project educates land owners, near and far, on the value of preserving Clemson’s Black neighborhoods.
“They don't know what they have.”
“We had a thriving community” Standing in front of Golden View Baptist, the church she grew up singing in, Grayden can point to houses on both sides of the highway: that’s where the drunk old man would come out and sing; that’s where Danny Cannon lives; that copse of trees is where an old woman used to live, she would always tattle on Grayden, who was a troublemaker.
It was their home. Now it’s a tangle of weeds, punctuated by the sound of cars over asphalt.
When the Shaw property sold, Grayden said it signaled a death knell for the city’s once-thriving Black communities.
Hill grew up in that area, too. She remembers playing on the Shaw land, and the Native American grave rumored to be on the property.
When she moved back to Clemson after decades away, she didn't recognize Calhoun.
“If you look at our community, we're pushed up to one little section. But we had a whole thriving community,” Hill said.
A view from the bridge over SC 123 in Clemson, Wednesday, December 30, 2020. The bridge, once wooden, connects each side of the Calhoun neighborhood which has been encroached on by growing development and gentrification. But the women haven't forgotten where they grew up. Both women are looking to establish a trust, so they can buy up property and preserve it forever.
Grayden is taking grant writing classes, so she can play an active role in the Shaw Center. She wants to -- and will -- help fight the forces threatening her people.
"I don't want someone coming in under my grandparent's name without me contributing," Grayden said.
"I've got a legacy I've got to carry on."
Zoe covers Clemson, just don't ask her about touchdowns or tackles – she covers everything non-sports. Find her at znicholson@gannett.com or @zoenicholson_ on Twitter. Beware, she has a Black Belt in Karate.
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All-TigerNet [12274]
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I hate to tell Ms. Grayden but it ain't just poor black folk
Nov 21, 2022, 4:04 PM
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that got their land "bought" out from under them back in the day for near nothing and that same land is worth millions today.
Same thing happened to my poor white relatives who in their old age sold their farm lands for basically nothing to these "nice fellows" since they promised they would keep farming the land. My Dad did everything he could to convince the old folks not to sell - he knew these "nice fellows" had dishonest intentions and were taking advantage of frail old people. Didn't matter, the old folks sold the land and they weren't cold in the grave before these "nice fellows" commercially developed these properties and ultimately made millions off of it.
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The downtown area is just the tip of the iceberg
Nov 21, 2022, 12:39 PM
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I live in the area do I'm a but more jaded by the actual gentrification taking place in the city limits.what is going downtown is just more of the same...poorly planned expansion. Poorly constructed apartments (google sewage backup earle street) that arent full because there are more apartments than students the commercial spaces are over priced.
I'm typing on my phone because could on and on about the good, the bad, and the ugly.
growth is fine and to be expected I like having more options downtown. I hope we can build up more small businesses there vs empty store fronts. in totality, the university and the town don't communicate well and it shows. the city planned for growth on campus...that wasn't necessarily in line with what the university had in mind (they are building up campuses on Greenville, Charleston, not just clemson) . so yes, the numbers are increasing, but not necessarily in the city of clemson. yet the city took these numbers as a mandate to approve more and more student housing. meanwhile there is no affordable single family housing. anyway, I ended up ranting anyway....
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"Just the tip" twice doesn't make any sense...
Nov 21, 2022, 1:08 PM
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The traffic issue must be solved.
Nov 21, 2022, 1:07 PM
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Tiger Blvd was a disaster in 1980 and it hasn't changed.
My solution would be to reroute the RR/Amtrac and build a bypass from 76/123 to Hart's landing. I can't see many other options. Limiting turns wont solve the issue and there's not really anywhere else to put a bypass without significant imminent domain issues.
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I think theynhave to build a business over pass
Nov 22, 2022, 6:45 AM
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don't know if that is even a thing, but "can't go through it. can't go around it. can't go under it..." so what's left? because apparently moving chickfila is not an option. missed that boat.
I typically go perimeter road from my house to get to Hartwell Village. no necessarily faster, but it feels safer ..safe from idiots turning into the middle turn lane or swerving last minute to get around the chickfila traffic
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APM has enjoyed the convo. I will agree with Papa G and Obed
Nov 21, 2022, 1:38 PM
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To me it was the shock of seeing it all Friday night. Truly had no idea about the second row of shops on College Ave or about the hotel (had heard about it, did not know it was right downtown).
Like Father G and Obed said, incremental change that you witness like a kid growing up vs. the shock of when you haven't seen them in a couple of years.
When I was last there in 2018 I was amazed at the changes to Tiger Blvd (I drove right by Village Green and didn't even see it was there - my senior year residence, which we thought was pretty nice back then).
This year it was downtown. I guess in '18 we just walked to buy some gear and did a quick in & out of one of the shops. But this year being down there on a Friday night, seeing the hotel, the sidewalks, the shops on the next block, the pretty people out and about, it was like Obed said, "I went back to Clemson, but my city was gone." Not bad, just the shock of it.
Regardless, Good Lawd willing, it will NOT be another 4 years before APM is back.
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Addendum: I will also agree with 3time re: downtown vs. true
Nov 21, 2022, 1:51 PM
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gentrification. Hate to see families lose their long-time homes or land because of all of this.
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I graduated in 77 and did not go back for
Nov 21, 2022, 1:54 PM
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probably until I had kids and started doing the football thing when TB came and made us much better. It was a shock back then. What happened to my Mini Mall? Chanelos? Etc., etc.
Yeah, come back sooner and enjoy what is there - I doubt it would be close to what it is without our current and recent Presidents and Dabo for sure. Good academics, good football, nice town - who would not want to send your kids there?
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Chanelos!!! RIP.***
Nov 21, 2022, 2:05 PM
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Man...that square pizza was some good sheet....
Nov 21, 2022, 2:13 PM
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not sure if it was really good or that I had not really had good pizza at that point, but I remember it as being greasy and good.
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The best "good" bad pizza ever.***
Nov 21, 2022, 2:46 PM
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pics of '76 mom?***
Nov 21, 2022, 2:23 PM
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yeah, count me in also if you get any***
Nov 21, 2022, 2:49 PM
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The Danny Ford. The Cliff Ellis.***
Nov 21, 2022, 3:31 PM
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Oooohhh
Nov 22, 2022, 11:44 AM
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I ate a few of those.
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Go past Ole Norm's and hang a right at Winn Dixie.***
Nov 21, 2022, 5:06 PM
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Oh wow, Ole Norms. Forgot about that place.***
Nov 22, 2022, 9:48 AM
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Most expensive hardware place in 3 counties***
Nov 22, 2022, 10:09 AM
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