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Last night was a bad move by Biden
Sep 2, 2022, 8:38 AM
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I don't think it was a smart strategy at all.
First, what he said was correct, so sit down, Trumpkins. I'm not gonna debate the message.
The problem is this moment felt similar to Hillary's "deplorables" moment. And further more, what was the point?
Look, sane Americans know Trump is a danger to democracy. The Dem voting base is already there so they don't need to hear it. Independents overwhelming voted to toss Trump out, so who are you trying to convince, Joe?
Where he screwed up is--even though he attempted to clarify--leaving people who voted for Trump or regularly vote Republican (but aren't mouth frothing Trumpies) believing he was targeting them. That's only going to enrage and embolden the GOP base.
It's classic Democrat ineptitude and arrogance. You're probably already up a few points with the abortion overreach and the GOP pulling itself apart with over Trump loyalty. Why #### that all up by having a speech that calls out and targets a group of Americans?
He's right in his points, but this was poor strategy. And it just called more attention to Trump and gave him and his loyalists more ammunition.
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Three word you said some it up for me. "What's the point?"
Sep 2, 2022, 8:42 AM
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It's just tired. President Trump happened. He's still happening in a lot of ways. We've all got to move on. The President just breathed new life into him with his speech last night. I don't understand why he would do this. Let's have a speech focusing on the issues on the ground facing Americans today, and what we can do about them.
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*sum*, geez.***
Sep 2, 2022, 8:43 AM
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Exactly
Sep 2, 2022, 8:44 AM
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Are he and his followers dangerous? Yes. But they're a small minority. The best thing you can do is take away their spotlight as much as possible. All he did was embolden them and probably #### off some people outside their group, too.
The GOP ain't unified right now. Sit back and don't #### it up, Joe.
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The only motivation I can think of is maybe
Sep 2, 2022, 8:46 AM
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to try to motivate Democratic voters into the booth in November. But that sword cuts both ways, to me.
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Re: Three word you said some it up for me. "What's the point?"
Sep 2, 2022, 8:49 AM
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That's the problem.
He can't talk about inflation, the border crisis, and recession because MANY believe he has "helped" create those problems, even many dems (like me) think he is at least partly responsible.
So, he has to talk Trump and Republicans.
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One thing is for sure, Dems and Trump haters have been
Sep 2, 2022, 11:06 AM
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making everything about Trump since Trump happened, and now that elections are just around the bend, they are doubling down with that mentality. That's exactly what is meant by Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS). Trump is so feared and in his haters heads so bad that they can't focus on anything else. EVERYTHING revolves around stopping Trump.
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Re: One thing is for sure, Dems and Trump haters have been
Sep 7, 2022, 11:02 PM
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It's all just a distraction from the multitude of purposeful gaffes by Biden. The Bolsheviks want Americans to feel so much pain they'll welcome a clone of Stalin, so in the meantime they run around screaming the bogeyman is loose. It doesn't matter if it's Trump, Putin, Kaddafi, Iran, Covid or someone or something else. They won't stop until an outside force intervenes and destroys them. BTW, pain is coming, like this country has never seen.
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Re: you undercut your point about moving on when you say...
Sep 2, 2022, 8:39 PM
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Whew ... you're hard core.
Big time inflation is coming ... this post will be about energy inflation.
(*-1) Biden used up the Strategic Petroleum Reserve and stopped collecting Federal tax on gasoline to temporarily suppress the imbalance between demand vs. supply ... with the intention of keeping gas prices low until (hopefully) after the mid-terms. If it's OK to deceive citizens that gas prices are under control before an election, but then have the duped Dem voters pay out the nose for gasoline after the election, then that's the hard-core Dem philosophy.
(*-2) Biden contributed to the long-term over-use of railroads to transport crude petroleum by cancelling pipeline projects. Sure, in the short-term his cancellation of Keystone didn't make a difference, but for future administrations the cancellation of big oil pipelines will assure that railroads will be at over-capacity; this constrains movement of crude to refineries, thereby constraining refining, and ultimately contributing to higher gas prices.
Remember item (*-2) ... this directly leads to food price inflation. (Go to next post.)
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Re: you undercut your point about moving on when you say...
Sep 2, 2022, 9:15 PM
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Hello again Mr. Hard Core.
Big time inflation is coming ... this post will be about food prices.
(*-3) Due to over-use of capacity-constrained rail roads, which are given priority to transport crude oil (instead of having that extra crude oil be transported by pipeline), the railroads have been forcing fertilizer companies to reduce shipments of nitrogen fertilizers to key agricultural regions of the country (esp. Kansas, Iowa, Nebraska, Missouri for grain; parts of California & TX for vegetables). Ammonia based fertilizer supply had been cut by enough in some of these states to reduce grain yields by ~ 20%. Without this supply, problems anywhere else in the world magnify the food shortage problem. Obama's short-sighted pipeline policies have burdened Biden with food inflation; Biden's short-sighted pipeline policies will saddle a future administration with more food inflation.
(*4) Biden pays farmers to take farmland out of active use to 'save the environment.'
April 24, 2021: The Biden administration announced on Wednesday (April 21) that it would expand a program that pays farmers to leave land fallow, part of a broader, government-wide effort to cut greenhouse gas emissions in half by 2030. The new initiative will incentivize farmers to take land out of production by raising rental rates and incentive payments.
The goal is to add 4 million acres of farmland to the Conservation Reserve Program, which takes land out of production to blunt agriculture’s environmental impact.
(*-5) From April 5, 2021 ... long before the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Fed. Gov't imposes taxes on imported phosphate fertilizers; leading to lower crop yields and higher food prices. Selected excerpts:
As a result of recent U.S. Department of Commerce and U.S. International Trade Commission findings, countervailing duties—taxes on imports that have been subsidized by the governments of the origin countries—will be imposed on Moroccan and Russian phosphate fertilizer imports.
These duties act in the same way as tariffs (taxes on imports) and are collected by U.S. Customs and Border Protection from American businesses importing the subjected goods.
Mosaic (the company dominates phosphate fertilizer production in the USA) and the domestic supply of (phosphate fertilizer) is often unable to meet U.S. demand for phosphate fertilizers.
So, what will these duties mean?
... U.S. farmers will bear the initial cost ...
In Feb. 2021, the chief economist for the American Farm Bureau Federation, estimated that the additional cost for corn, soybean, and wheat farmers alone could be $1–$1.5 billion for the coming crop year.
Beyond costs ... the duties could make it difficult (for farmers) to obtain adequate phosphate supplies.
It’s quite likely that the increased costs will be passed on throughout the food supply chain, ultimately increasing the prices that Americans pay for their food. As a result, these duties would be regressive, impacting low-income households the most; the lowest-income households spend a greater share of their disposable income on food (36%) compared to the highest-income households (8%).
Summary: Food inflation has arrived in 2022. Biden's fiddling around with global trade and pandering to environmental groups (who hate phosphate fertilizer) has direct bearing on 2022's soaring food prices.
Next, the economy.
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Re: you undercut your point about moving on when you say...
Sep 2, 2022, 9:28 PM
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Final post in the Biden Economy trilogy, Mr. Hard Core:
The economy ... doing poorly despite Biden's reference to the currently low jobless rate.
(*-6) Biden's inflationary policies and his desire to curb inflation leaves one powerful lever to slow the rate of inflation: Encourage the Federal Reserve to raise interest rates; doing this squeezes the economy, slows economic growth, and brings about a recession. Economic activity in areas like automobile manufacturing, kitchen appliances, electronics, etc. is slowing quickly; job cuts are a sure thing to follow.
(*-7) The still-good unemployment rate is a short-term mirage which will disappear soon. A surge in retirements from experienced / skilled workers has reached ~ 3%. Companies have been struggling to find replacements (USA is not generating enough numbers of skilled young people to do the jobs. Companies hire foreign workers to fill those absences from retiring older / skilled Americans. The unemployment rate remains low as companies hire skilled immigrants / H1V holders, but younger Americans in increasingly larger numbers are left out of the good paying jobs ... but hey, restaurants need cooks and waiters. As the automobile / appliances / electronics and other big ticket manufacturers shed jobs, then people will buy less little stuff. Amazon and UPS will have less business, leading them to layoffs. This cascading effect will reveal itself via a pending deep recession.
The high gas prices, high food prices, and pending higher jobless rate will be primarily the fault of Biden and the radical Democrats who are in charge of Biden.
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Re: Last night was a bad move by Biden
Sep 2, 2022, 8:46 AM
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Worse than the Hillary mistake.
I mean, at least in Hillarys deplorable comment, it was an off the cuff moment. In Bidens case, you have speechwriters write this garbage and it's read time and again, and they think it's ok?
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Yeah, people planned this gaffe
Sep 2, 2022, 8:51 AM
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A group of folks sat around, analyzed this, and thought it was a good strategy. Again, that typical Dem ineptitude and arrogance.
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Yes, but the rules are different.
Sep 2, 2022, 9:58 AM
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An odd derogatory comment against Trump or MAGA seems to carry a penalty. Daily derogatory comments, insults, and attacks by Trump and MAGA hold a benefit. It's crazy.
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They outright call Biden a pedo...
Sep 2, 2022, 5:07 PM
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and we are supposed to believe this speech hurt their feelings and was "too far?"
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Well, Hunter did too, so seems reasonable.***
Sep 2, 2022, 5:34 PM
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link?***
Sep 2, 2022, 7:12 PM
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Re: They outright call Biden a pedo...
Sep 2, 2022, 9:18 PM
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Who are they?
I'm assuming you mean Trump supporters? Last I checked, none of the Trump supporters are the President of the United States.
So, of course, I hold Biden to a different standard than I do idiots who support a particular candidate.
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Re: They outright call Biden a pedo...
Sep 2, 2022, 9:21 PM
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And I'll add, it isn't the Republicans/Trump supporters I'm referring to. It's the independents that may be turned off by that speech. The independents the dems may need come November and again in 2024.
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He clearly wasn't talking about independents.
Sep 2, 2022, 10:09 PM
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So, if he loses their votes over that speech then it was likely he would have lost it over something else they were "misinformed" about.
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Re: He clearly wasn't talking about independents.
Sep 3, 2022, 3:46 AM
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I didn't say he was speaking about independents, but there are independents who don't like that kind of speech from the leader of the U.S.
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If they are swayed more by that speech...
Sep 3, 2022, 3:00 PM
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Than the actions of those Biden is referring then they were never going to vote for Biden. It's a moot point.
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Re: Yes, but the rules are different.
Sep 2, 2022, 9:40 PM
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So help me to understand ... Merrick Garland prosecutes Democrats and lefties who say bad things about MAGA and DJT? We're all waiting for Merrick Garland to go after any prominent Democrat crook.
On the other side, other than insults and deeply-held concerns by DJT and MAGA about the Dems and their encouragement of communications platforms to censor political speech that contradicts the Dem narrative, and additional criticism by DJT / MAGA about the Dems policies that have led to high gas prices, high food prices, a downward trajectory in the economy, harm to the USA's preparedness by draining the Strategic Petroleum Reserve as a means to slow the price increase of gas prices ... that is, until after the mid-terms.
Other than insults about the Biden Admin's disastrous exit from Afghanistan, his open border policy which has increased the flood of fentanyl into the USA, leading to catastrophically higher annual death tolls from fentanyl each year that Biden is in power?
Other than criticism of Dem states who want to tear down hydroelectric dams while electricity shortages loom?
OK, where do the MAGA and DJT criticize the Dems for anything other than destructive policies (and terrible divisiveness)?
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Never voted for Trump, never was MAGA, left my church
Sep 2, 2022, 8:52 AM
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because they became all MAGA and basically endorsed Trump. I am a conservative and it did feel he was targeting us, too.
His handlers are also so ####### stupid about the optics surrounding the whole thing too. Remember how much people mocked W for the Mission Accomplished on the carrier ? Blood red background flanked by Marines at attention, dictators do that
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Re: Never voted for Trump, never was MAGA, left my church
Sep 2, 2022, 8:53 AM
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I'd say the typical dem arrogance is what gave us Trump in the first place.
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President Trump rode a wave of anger and angst into the
Sep 2, 2022, 8:56 AM
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White House. Hey, here's an idea, let's make a speech to make people angry and aggrieved! That'll help!
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Re: He was targeting you. What constitutes MAGA will
Sep 2, 2022, 11:15 PM
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10000% correct
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The speech was one of the most divisive in history
Sep 2, 2022, 8:53 AM
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And many Dems are also responsible for the “assault on equality and democracy”
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Politics has been dormant relatively for a while but
Sep 2, 2022, 9:08 AM
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Social media is blowing up right now with a million memes of Hitler, star wars and Bane references.
It awoken a lot of people who have been quiet it seems. And I don't think it appeals to independents at all
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Yep. It has backfired, and probably rightfully so
Sep 2, 2022, 11:22 AM
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Again, not sure who thought this was a good idea, but Jesus Christ, it was stupid.
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Both parties are to the point
Sep 2, 2022, 9:09 AM
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it's easier to get you to vote AGAINST the other party than to get you to vote for their party.
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Re: Last night was a bad move by Biden
Sep 2, 2022, 9:20 AM
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I didn’t watch because I assumed he was going to bash half the country rather than address his failed policies. Sounds like I was right.
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the good thing for him, i doubt many watched either.***
Sep 2, 2022, 9:27 AM
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Actually, in this modern era, people not watching it live
Sep 2, 2022, 10:10 AM
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just means that people are just going to see commentary and maybe clips of it, and that's all they'll have to go by. That's even worse.
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My guess is he did it for the mid-terms...
Sep 2, 2022, 9:42 AM
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even with the potential for dem turn-out due to Roe being struck down, the dems know they stand the best chance of keeping the Senate and maybe even the House if this mid-term election turns into a referendum on Trump and not on the dem performance in Congress and the WH over the last 2 yrs.
But I'm with you on the speech...it was ill-conceived and in typical Biden fashion, horribly performed.
Seemingly painting all republicans with the same brush can't be a winning strategy for the dems. In fact, it is exactly the wrong thing to do. What they should be doing is trying to isolate the ultra-MAGA from the "sane" GOP in an attempt to pick-up votes against ultra-MAGA candidates that are still pushing the Big Lie.
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Of course you won't debate, that's how libs work these days
Sep 2, 2022, 9:49 AM
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and that's what Biden's speech was all about. "Anyone who disagrees with me is Hitler" and a threat to "democracy" and on and on and on. No opposition allowed! Anyone who opposes is a terrorist!!
Hate hate hate. Leftists are full of hate and any time they get power they move more authoritarian.
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Re: Of course you won't debate, that's how libs work these days
Sep 2, 2022, 10:55 AM
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Spot on.
All I do is go to work everyday, pay a ### ton of tax, never break the law; and I’m a “Danger to democracy” per CAT.
The amount of azzraping that libs take from their elite masters is mind boggling.
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They know what's brewing
Sep 2, 2022, 10:08 AM
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Likely real reasons for this speech:
Trump is likely going to be indicted.
Maga folk are likely organizing militia and domestic terrorism in response.
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Biden was a bad move…
Sep 2, 2022, 10:20 AM
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But do you blame him? The only reason he won was because “Trump bad.” What’s he going to talk about? His record? Democrats have to focus upcoming elections on Trump because green new deal policies disguised by other names isn’t improving the economy, the border crisis, crime problem, our failing schools, etc. All they have to do is talk about Trump and everybody’s willies get rustled.
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Which highlights the bigger problem
Sep 2, 2022, 11:25 AM
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Biden needs to be getting on national TV at night to ####### explain and discuss all the problems happening during HIS administration.
I know Trump sucks and his loyalists are dangerous/terrible. I don't need you to give me a grandstanding speech. Trump isn't president. Let's talk about how you're fixing this #### happening RIGHT NOW.
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Highlights problem: Dems don't realize their own hyperbole
Sep 2, 2022, 2:03 PM
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Dear Cat,
Please go back and read your own posts and those of your disciples.
All of this 'all of the MAGA are evil and out to destroy America' garbage.
Yet while (the occasional) Dem ... some of whom have posted in this string ... acknowledge the bad impact of 'green energy' policies, inflation stoked by Biden's incredibly reckless spending, and (privately) the Afghanistan withdrawl disaster, those same Dems still remain focused on DJT's mean comments about Dem POLITICIANs and Dem POLICIES instead of DJT's actual policies.
The TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) crowd keeps themselves in a state of apoplexy as far as Jan. 6 to hate MAGA crowd, but there were 120,000 MAGA people at Jan. 6 ... and about 800 'suspects' that the FBI has either arrested or are still targeting. That's 0.7% (yes, less than 1%) of MAGA supporters that displayed bad behavior.
(???) In what sane and civilized world would a large group of people (the Dems) characterize another large group of people (the MAGA crowd) as being evil / insurrectionist / Satanical when > 99% of the most fervent MAGA crowd were peaceful protesters?
The anti-MAGA crowd is the danger to America. The anti-MAGA crowd hates the MAGA crowd because our ideas are better than the DEM ideas, and the MAGA crowd articulates those better ideas more effectively than the DEMs can articulate their bad ideas / bad policies.
The only answer from DEMs for their losing messages / bad policies is to censor the MAGA crowd and vilify the MAGA CROWD as the 'danger to America.'
Lefties, just listen to yourselves ... it is YOU who are the anti-American problem; your side has (most) of the really bad ideas.
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Re: Highlights problem: Dems don't realize their own hyperbole
Sep 2, 2022, 2:09 PM
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Democrats are not bound by truth. That makes them better at politics.
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Re: Highlights problem: Dems don't realize their own hyperbole
Sep 2, 2022, 5:13 PM
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Sadly you appear to be correct.
None of them will attempt to logically dismantle my argument about their hyperbolic talk about J6.
Some may attempt another deflection, though.
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You fall into the usual Trumpism belief that...
Sep 6, 2022, 3:50 PM
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Anyone who doesn't agree with you is a Dem or a leftie.
You all can't seem to get it through your heads that the majority of America is anti-MAGA
You are the anomaly. You are the outlier. And you want to reshape America into something that is a perverted cocktail of our most oppressive moments in history.
If Trump and all of you who worship would have crawled in your ####### holes after Nov. 2020 and accepted your loss like MEN (anyone still clinging to Trump and the idea that the election was stolen from him hasn't one once of manhood in him), nobody would still be talking about him.
But he won't go away. Y'all won't go away. YOU keep bringing him and his twisted ideology back to the forefront.
America was better when y'all knew to stay in your hole.
Also, anyone who uses the term TDS should be summarily dismissed. What childish behavior. Kind of like believing 9/11 conspiracies.
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I liked how he clearly differentiated the GOP
Sep 2, 2022, 10:23 AM
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and the MAGA-GOP.
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It wasn't enough IMO***
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But it was very clear that he considers it a huge
Sep 2, 2022, 10:51 AM
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difference in the two. I don't know what else he could have done.
He praised the GOP while attacking the MAGA movement.
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I'm sorry, but the "MAGA" movement is not necessarily
Sep 2, 2022, 10:59 AM
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a "threat to democracy". I have dozens of people I know who voted for Trump, are still big fans of him, but they are not threats to this country. They legitimately love their country, and they are not looking to revolt or burn it down. They think the Democrats are doing that. (I'm not saying I agree.)
When you get on TV and say that people who support Trump are threats, then you are feeding into their grievances. It doesn't matter what you say about the GOP at large. Most of the conservatives I know don't have anything nice to say about the mainstream GOP anyway.
Maybe President Biden didn't intend to be calling my SS teacher a threat to democracy, but my SS teacher sure thinks he did. That's a problem.
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I didn't say it was just that he clearly defined the
Sep 2, 2022, 11:11 AM
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difference in the GOP and the MAGA-GOP.
Of course "threat to our democracy" is a huge reach.
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Agreed...
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Even if it was, he already set the stage for misunderstanding his intent. This is "deplorables" times 10.
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As I and others have pointed out before, one thing Trump,
Sep 2, 2022, 10:25 AM
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Dem politicians, and the news media completely agree on, is that the focus should always be on Trump.
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Naw … people are firmly entrenched and comfortably numb.
Sep 2, 2022, 10:30 AM
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So much worse is said online every day. Just a headline for 2-3 days. Gives media and news junkies a fix. Changes little _ most likely nothing.
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like all politicians, he overplayed his hand***
Sep 2, 2022, 11:06 AM
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That overtly political speech was awfully rich coming from
Sep 2, 2022, 12:08 PM
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a senior member of the elitist political class that has been in DC for over 40 years creating the mess in which the USA finds itself and whose family has become very wealthy grifting off their "public service".
This garbage speech with it's intentional dystopian background setting (that was not an accident) is just a further erosion of our political discourse from a despicable, old man whose handlers and advisors are every bit as much of a threat to our nations well being as the millions of people to which they are casting as "threats to Democracy". Screw Joe Biden and anyone else who supports this divisive tripe...
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Yep.***
Sep 2, 2022, 12:15 PM
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Your last sentence is correct. Putting the focus on Trump
Sep 2, 2022, 12:40 PM
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is only going to elevate him and hurt the GOP's efforts to move past him. They know they need to, but can't bring themselves to do so. The say they want DeSantis, but Trump has increased his lead over him in polls since the seizure of the stolen documents from Mar a Lago.
It's actually a good strategy.
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Seems like a risky strategy
Sep 2, 2022, 1:18 PM
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I understand that you're saying it's beneficial for them if he does win the nomination, as opposed to someone like DeSantis. But what about the risk that he would win? I don't think we can dismiss that...I certainly didn't think he would win six years ago. In a bad economy (if it is such), I'd say he'd have a good chance.
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There is a risk that any Republican could win.
Sep 2, 2022, 3:27 PM
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Presidential elections are won on the margins and Independents do not like Trump. Trump motivates Democrats to vote and de-motivates Republicans. He only wants Congressional candidates who support The Big Lie and are too extreme to most voters. Voters are tired of Trump. Couple that with all of the investigations swirling around Trump and it's only going to get worse for the GOP if they continue to glom onto him.
Trump is THE best reminder to voters of just how extreme the GOP has become and would most likely not only lose the election, he would pull other GOP candidates down with him.
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Re: Exactly what were the 'extreme' policies from DJT ???
Sep 2, 2022, 4:30 PM
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Incredible that lefties continuously characterize MAGA and DJT as extreme.
Other than the absurdly over-done J-6 narrative (~ 800 potential arrests out of 120,000 peaceful protesters) and the Russia Hoax (spiced with the Christopher Steele fake dossier, and discredited in court), what do the lefties have that proves DJT is extreme?
His Tweets in response to those in the MSM or among his political rivals? Really?
If you say 'there are just too many things to cover,' then you're essentially saying you've got zip.
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Re: Exactly what were the 'extreme' policies from DJT ???
Sep 3, 2022, 8:32 AM
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“what do lefties have that proves DJT is extreme?”
NYT, CNN, MSNBC, et. al. tells them so.
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Other than the red lighting and use of marines, I disagree
Sep 2, 2022, 5:05 PM
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Like you said, nothing he said was incorrect. He differentiated between Trump-led MAGA and mainstream republicans clearly so it's similar to the "deplorables" moment in that only those that don't actually read the actual quote and take their opinions from pundits will think he was speaking about all Republicans.
The point of the speech was to illustrate the threat Trump and his ilk pose while also firing up the democratic base, which based on what I've seen online he has succeeded in doing. This only costs him with mainstream republicans who live in the Fox News/Dailycaller bubble who will get misinformed about the message and, let's be honest, he wasn't going to get those votes anyway.
But I strongly disagree with the use of red lighting and the marine backdrop as horrible optics. That's where the ineptitude and arrogance part comes in and I think completely undercut what otherwise was a needed and necessary speech.
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Re: Other than the red lighting and use of marines, I disagree
Sep 3, 2022, 6:22 AM
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It was all about dividing the country and demonizing those who don’t support his socialist policies. His speech spewed arrogance, hatred, and division. But honestly I think it’s working. All of this is about the midterms and firing up his base. The reason for democrats to get fired up to vote according to Biden is republicans are evil, republicans want to take away rights, and republicans will block the college welfare program. By the way, applications for the college welfare program come out in October. How’s that for timing? You may win now democrats but you’ve lost half the nation. We are divided and that rests on your shoulders. Your leader is a hateful , disgusting man.
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Re: Other than the red lighting and use of marines, I disagree
Sep 3, 2022, 7:02 AM
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It’s a shame Lincoln didn’t possess the same unifying characteristics of Biden.
I can’t think of one thing Biden has done to promote unity.
He is a very poor leader and can’t run on his own record, hence once again the midterms are about Trump and perhaps 2024.
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Re: Last night was a bad move by Biden
Sep 2, 2022, 5:06 PM
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When everyone else is the problem, you are the problem.
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Almost a TU***
Sep 2, 2022, 11:09 PM
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Re: Last night was a bad move by Biden
Sep 3, 2022, 7:13 AM
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Imagine Trump giving that speech in that setting. A nighttime dystopian scene, with blood red lighting and two Marines standing behind him. Seemed like a veiled threat to a large portion of Americans for supporting a political rival.
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Re: Last night was a bad move by Biden
Sep 3, 2022, 8:13 AM
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Biden priorities in his speech:
Republicans 16 mentions
MAGA 13
Violence 10
Extremism 7
Trump 3
Insurrection 3
Jan 6 2
Charlottesville 1
Fentanyl 0
Inflation 0
Crime 0
The Border 0
China 0
Who’s fanning division?
Joe must go.
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Re: Last night was a bad move by Biden
Sep 3, 2022, 8:34 AM
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If you are a Democrat, you gotta run on something. Increases in violent crime, deadly overdoses, and inflation, due to their policies, just doesn't sound as good in a political speech.
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Re: Last night was a bad move by Biden
Sep 3, 2022, 12:17 PM
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I go back to Prod's comments way above...he knows plenty of Trump supports who are not a threat to democracy.
Why am I a threat to democracy? Why are T3, Keowee, ST, Tulsa, CTB, etc. threats to democracy?
The dems are not even consistent. If conservatives want things to stay the same, why is staying the same a threat to democracy? It DON'T MAKE SENSE.
Trump is a focal point for pushing back on the left. People don't worship Trump like your echo chamber tells you. Trump worship is a non existent thing, just like the Russian Hoax - everyone (on the left) knew it was true until it was not. Just like HB's laptop - everyone knew it was Russian disinformation until it wasn't.
You sheep have been sucked once again into believing a hoax. There is no threat to democracy by the right. If there was such a threat, surely we would have seen it carried out WHEN THE BAD GUY WAS POTUS FOR FOUR YEARS. JFC. SMH.
Just like Biden tweeted support for Smollett. Just like Biden said CBP agents were whipping immigrants. AINT NONE OF IT TRUE!
https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1090422326783606784
ATTENTION LEFTIES - READ THIS TWEET! What was your opinion the day Biden tweeted this? I guarantee you that you were singing the same tune. But, it was a hoax. You were wrong. Just like you are wrong again hyping Trump as a threat to democracy. How many times does this have to happen before you see and understand the pattern????
BTW: why have they not deleted this joke of a tweet?
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Re: Last night was a bad move by Biden
Sep 6, 2022, 8:04 AM
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You, T3, Keowee, Clem_Chem, TarDog, et al are a threat because you view anyone with different political views as you as an enemy of America. There is no nuance or gray area. They MUST agree with you or they're an evil "leftist lib". You also only want to support candidates who will institute strong man policies AND pursue punishment of those pushing views you don't like.
This is how free societies die. When people like you and your mob gain control and try to wipe out any opposing viewpoints.
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Re: Last night was a bad move by Biden
Sep 6, 2022, 8:34 AM
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I have very close Cuban friends who might suggest a different perspective on how free societies die.
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Really?
Sep 6, 2022, 10:05 AM
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They'd disagree that a populist movement that supports an authoritarian strong man with promises of a better way--and one that stomps out opposition viewpoints--contribute to the death of a free society?
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Re: Really?
Sep 6, 2022, 10:18 AM
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Blind. You’re absolutely blind as to which party is authoritarian. Unbelievable.
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If you notice...
Sep 6, 2022, 11:19 AM
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I didn't say only one party is authoritarian. In fact, if you recall, I was on here last year railing Biden for his vaccine mandate on business, calling it a gross overreach of authority.
Extremists always want an authoritarian in charge to push their beliefs. Lately, the most vocal and the one who truly knows they want this are the Trumpists. Dems and leftists tend to bumble into authoritarian moves because they think it's for society's greater good. Your crowd, however, wants sheer and unadulterated authoritarianism to quash (and probably something more sinister) opposing views.
You're partisan enough to know this is what you want. Please don't sit back and pretend that y'all's end game isn't to completely eradicate any "leftist" viewpoints, opinions, ideology, etc. through any means necessary. And the scary part is that you'll label anything you don't like as "leftist".
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Re: If you notice...
Sep 6, 2022, 11:27 AM
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Honestly , we’ve been spooked since a certain president told us he was going to “fundamentally change America”. We kind of like the fundamentals of America. When democrats run around telling us they are socialists and Marxists we get more spooked. If limited government and freedom for all citizens is extremist then by all means call me extremist. If believing an unborn child deserves a chance to live makes me extremist, then I’m extremist. If believing someone who voluntarily takes on a debt should pay it back then I’m extremist. I could go on but you get the point.
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Re: If you notice...
Sep 6, 2022, 1:06 PM
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When democrats run around telling us they are socialists and Marxists we get more spooked. If limited government and freedom for all citizens is extremist then by all means call me extremist. If believing an unborn child deserves a chance to live makes me extremist, then I’m extremist. If believing someone who voluntarily takes on a debt should pay it back then I’m extremist. I could go on but you get the point.
But this isn't what you believe or want. Your crowd labels anything anti-Trump as "leftist" or Dem, completely ignoring that a third of America doesn't subscribe to either party.
Your abortion views are extremist because you have stated yourself you don't afford any leniency granted for cases where a woman's life is in danger, IVF embryos, rape, etc. That's extremist. That's not freedom. You can't claim you support freedom when you're willing to force a woman to die just to give birth to a child that probably won't live.
You can't say you're a proponent of small government and still support Trump philosophy. Or the current GOP philosophy.
Do you support having books removed from libraries that a politician deems to be inappropriate? Like, say the public library situation Spartanburg right now where officials were threatened with salary cuts if they don't cave to a Republican politician's demand? The spoiler alert is that if you support it in any way, you don't support freedom.
At the moment, your team (and it ain't Republican) is out of control in attempting to silence, stifle, and control anyone with a different viewpoint. And THAT'S MOST OF AMERICA. Most of them don't share your views.
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Re: If you notice...
Sep 6, 2022, 1:38 PM
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Show me where I said I want a woman to die in child birth? As for books, I want the removal of immoral filth from public schools. Everything else can can. But there are certain things your crowd is not going to expose children to and we won’t stand by and watch. You see,YOU are the extremist. Everything the current democrat party stands for is in opposition to American values and freedom. Label me extremist because my values did not change. Your crowd moved immorality to the extreme left and expect us to follow to a so called normal middle ground.
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Re: If you notice...
Sep 6, 2022, 2:19 PM
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"The removal of immoral filth."
Yahoo. But no, you're not an extremist.
You have no knowledge whatsoever of history and seemingly no perspective on what you're advocating or where your road leads.
The stuff that's coming out of your mouth, the good guys simply do not say, my man.
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As one young man said...
Sep 6, 2022, 2:57 PM
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Who addressed his school board over their efforts to ban certain books:
"No government—and public school is an extension of government—has ever banned books and banned information from its public and been remembered in history as the good guys."
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Re: If you notice...
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Show me where I said I want a woman to die in child birth?
You and I had a specific conversation where you dismissed even entertaining the idea of a woman having to go through an abortion to save her own life because you deemed it to be a low percentage of cases. You won't even entertain the thought.
As for books, I want the removal of immoral filth from public schools.
I cited public libraries. But since you went down this road, who the #### died and left you the decider of what's immoral filth and what's not? People like you were the ones running around in the 1950s trying to get Catcher in the Rye banned from schools.
You want to start banning some websites, too? Because kids are far more likely to access those than a book.
Everything else can can. But there are certain things your crowd is not going to expose children to and we won’t stand by and watch. You see,YOU are the extremist. Everything the current democrat party stands for is in opposition to American values and freedom. Label me extremist because my values did not change. Your crowd moved immorality to the extreme left and expect us to follow to a so called normal middle ground.
You're the right wing extremist Trumpie. I'm not a liberal or a Democrat. I'm firmly in the middle. I just know the difference between bumbling clowns and people who actually want a totalitarian state.
And y'all are desperately scrambling because you're in the minority and you know you are. That's why your team is fighting so hard to implement authoritarian measures before it's too late. Good luck with that. History doesn't favor your kind.
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Re: If you notice...
Sep 6, 2022, 3:06 PM
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Being in the minority does not make us wrong, it just makes us a minority. A smart old man once told me “son, don’t argue colors with a blind man”. I think I’ll take his advice. Have a nice afternoon.
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Doesn't make you right, either
Sep 6, 2022, 3:20 PM
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Especially when you think your view of the world should be the only legal one. Have a good one.
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