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The ACC messed up not merging with the Big 12 after UT &OK announced they were leaving
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Aug 13, 2023, 6:48 PM
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ACC was arguably the 3rd best conference in football, and now has dropped to arguably a distant 4th best conference.
In basketball, they would’ve been the Premier conference.
FSU
Miami
GT
Clemson
UNC
NCST
Wake
Duke
UVA
VT
BC
Syracuse
Pitt
WV
Louisville
Iowa St
Kansas ST
Kansas
OKST
Baylor
TCU
Texas Tech
Then Vote ND OUT
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Can't argue with your logic.
Aug 13, 2023, 6:57 PM
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Particularly, after UCLA and Southern Cal went to the Big 10, this should have happened.
Baylor, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Kansas State and Iowa State have all been ranked pretty regularly. A few of those schools have fielded really good teams(Ok. St and Baylor).
You wonder though if the Big 12 would have laughed at the notion at the time. They likely had Houston, Colorado, Boise State, Memphis, SMU, and Rice on deck as replacements!
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Re: The ACC messed up not merging with the Big 12 after UT &OK announced they were leaving
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Aug 13, 2023, 8:20 PM
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But what about "The Alliance"? Did that not turn out to be everything the execs in the conference office sold to themselves? Doesn't somebody, somewhere, deserve to be fired over this fiasco, like they would be in the real world for such incompetency?
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Re: The ACC messed up not merging with the Big 12 after UT &OK announced they were leaving
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Aug 13, 2023, 8:38 PM
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Unfortunately the ACC got caught sleeping. I think their only chance would of been a merger with the BIG 12.
In their defense they were still thinking of academics along with athletics. That way of thinking sadly left a long time ago.
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Re: The ACC messed up not merging with the Big 12 after UT &OK announced they were leaving
Aug 13, 2023, 8:48 PM
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Unfortunately the ACC got caught sleeping. I think their only chance would of been a merger with the BIG 12.
In their defense they were still thinking of academics along with athletics. That way of thinking sadly left a long time ago.
Agreed!
Especially the keep it academics part. Which is why W. Virginia never received an invitation. And, they do have a pretty decent fanbase.
UCF same thing! I would have tried to get UCF just to have more Florida kids who would get to compete against each other potentially. Well in the hopes that would be apealing anyway(maybe not; but UCF had/has a solid program and a nice size alumni and steady growning).
Louisiana - Lafayette or Louisiana would be another school that would have been a strategic good get. Memphis most certainly.
As you said, "when thinking in terms of what it meant to be great 50 years ago, no good"! But, trying to stay somewhat competitive in today's CFB landscape, "not good"!
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Re: The ACC messed up not merging with the Big 12 after UT &OK announced they were leaving
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Aug 13, 2023, 8:41 PM
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I would add that we NEVER should have agreed to let Notre Dame join unless it was 100%. That was Swoffie Stupid.
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Re: The ACC messed up not merging with the Big 12 after UT &OK announced they were leaving
Aug 13, 2023, 10:32 PM
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Could have just stopped at The ACC messed up.....
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Basketball has nothing to do with any of this
Aug 14, 2023, 8:05 AM
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Football wise, once you take Oklahoma and Texas out, all your left with is a bunch of meh. Sure you get into some "allegedly" bigger markets, but youve also got a bunch more mouths to feed. There is no saving the ACC and, frankly, there never was.
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Re: The ACC messed up not merging with the Big 12 after UT &OK announced they were leaving
Aug 14, 2023, 8:14 AM
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The ACC is going to end up like the Pac-12 if they wait around until 2036 for the GOR to expire to make any changes.
Everyone is moving to a conference that matches their $$$ viewership. They need to go ahead and let the teams out that want out. It is the only way to save the remaining teams from ending up like Stanford and California.
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The ACC is ahead of the BIG XII in football...
Aug 14, 2023, 8:17 AM
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and it's not even close, and basketball doesn't move the needle on expansion... at all.
ACC:
Clemson
Florida State
Miami
Virginia Tech
North Carolina
NC State
Georgia Tech
Wake Forest
Duke
Virginia
Louisville
Pitt
Syracuse
Boston College
Notre Dame (partial)
BIG XII:
TCU
Oklahoma State
Baylor
Colorado
Kansas State
Kansas
Iowa State
Texas Tech
BYU
Cincinnati
Central Florida
Houston
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
West Virginia
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