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Palestine. The one thing I do not get, and I suspect something else is going on
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Apr 17, 2024, 11:04 PM
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Is that the Arab community, at its most generous, does not GAF about Palestine. More accurately, they rather despise them. So, how in the wide world of sports does Palestine generate so much "love" among foreign Leftists? The ratios do not align.
So, as I mentioned, I suspect two things, the first being the most obvious:
Palestine is a vector for Leftist anti-semitism, and the conflict provides a rather transparent veil of geopolitical legitimacy to what otherwise (and still is) rank Nazism.
The second is that the Free Palestinian movement is a Leftist front for Marxism, just like Fight for 15, BLM, and the Global Warming extremist groups. In this conspiracy, there is a singular, behind-the-scenes group (soros or whatever) running strategy, and these splinter, issue-based groups are fronts to engage different groups across the Leftist spectrum, but ultimately the messaging all evolves into general anti-capitalism pablum.
But still. It is crazy to me how little Arab nations actually care about Palestine, and how much pro-Palestine movements have disrupted our day-to-day of late.
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Ummmm...what?
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Apr 18, 2024, 12:06 AM
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The Arab League and the OIC both support South Africa's case against Israel in the ICJ. Go look at any of the UN ceasefire votes or look at what Yemen is doing in the Red Sea. Do you mean why don't they support them with military force? Mostly because it would be an escalation that would pin them against the US, but Arab Nations aren't monolithic, they all have various degrees of supporting or not supporting Palestinians for unique reasons. The part you probably get right is that anti-capitalist groups are going to coop the cause, but that's because it's such a transparent case of colonization which evolves from a need to exploit people and their resources.
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Re: Palestine. The one thing I do not get, and I suspect something else is going on
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Apr 18, 2024, 12:59 AM
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I think with a lot of "leftists" it is little more than a human rights issue with over 13,000 children in Gaza killed during this campaign. It is easy to see where the hostilities will only deepen and history will look poorly on the Israeli response once the body count is tallied, especially if the hostages are never freed and a cease-fire was on the table.
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13000 children?
Apr 18, 2024, 6:56 AM
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Doubt it.
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Probably more.
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Apr 18, 2024, 10:29 AM
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Tough to tell since Israel keeps killing the ones trying to keep track or report on it.
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Your personal opinions have no bearing on reality***
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Apr 18, 2024, 10:59 AM
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Where you getting
Apr 18, 2024, 7:22 PM
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your numbers?
Do they agree with Hamas?
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Re: Where you getting
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Apr 18, 2024, 8:59 PM
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Jewish human rights groups in Israel are keeping a count too, in addition to keeping track of settlers burning villages in the west bank. The Likudniks are using this as an excuse for more land grabs and ethnic cleansing. It pales compared to what they did in 47-48, though.
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Apr 18, 2024, 11:46 PM
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UNICEF Executive Director Catherine Russell as of 1 month ago, I suspect the number has grown since.
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Re: Palestine. The one thing I do not get, and I suspect something else is going on
Apr 18, 2024, 7:24 AM
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I think with a lot of "leftists" it is little more than a human rights issue with over 13,000 children in Gaza killed during this campaign. It is easy to see where the hostilities will only deepen and history will look poorly on the Israeli response once the body count is tallied, especially if the hostages are never freed and a cease-fire was on the table.
Thank you for using Hamas produced propaganda with your numbers
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"Hamas produced propaganda" is Israeli propaganda.***
Apr 18, 2024, 10:19 AM
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Re: Palestine. The one thing I do not get, and I suspect something else is going on
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Apr 18, 2024, 4:14 AM
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The Arab nations adjacent to the Palestinians very stringently protect their borders from an influx of Palestinians. Egypt and Jordan could offer sanctuary, but do not.
The humanitarian aid that came into Gaza and the West Bank prior to the massacre, ###### and pillaging of the Jews in Israel by Hamas primarily came from the West despite the wealth of the oil rich countries nearby.
I agree that the Arab world as a whole couldn’t give two shi*ts about the Palestinians as humans, but do love keeping the conflict alive between the Palestinians and Israelis.
Israeli Jews aren’t leaving. They won’t be pushed into the sea.
The sooner both the Palestinians and the Islamic countries accept this and move on with some degree of peaceful coexistence with Israel, the better.
There will be no River to the Sea action.
Sometimes accepting reality is hard, but not accepting it may prove harder for the Palestinians and the Islamic nations. Israel is here to stay.
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Re: This is final solution talk.
Apr 18, 2024, 11:33 AM
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The idiots at CNN (publisher of the article that you had linked) actually confirms Netanyahu’s assertion that the Muslims had ‘escalated’ Hitler’s sentiments about what to do with the Jews. It also did nothing to ‘prove’ Hitler’s early belief that Jews were a race, as opposed to just being a culture. (There is no dispute that the Adolph Hitler of the early 1930’s had already devolved into his mindset of unadulterated hatred of Jews. In innumerable other references, Hitler had referred to Jews as belonging to a race, as opposed to simply being a culture.) My beef here is with the lazy writing of the CNN article and way that the article depicted the meeting between Haj Amin al-Husseini and Hitler as the nexus of the Final Solution.
C&P:
“Hitler’s anti-Semitism has been well-documented. One early indicator is a 1919 letter to a German army captain that articulated his notion that Judaism was a race (not a religion) that threatened German society.
“The final goal must be the removal of Jews,” Hitler wrote, according to the letter found in the Nazi Archives in Nuremberg and now at the Simon Wiesenthal Center. “To accomplish these goals, only a government of national power is capable.”
(*). Specifically, the second sentence of the first paragraph is contradicted by the first sentence of the second C&P’d paragraph. In this second paragraph, Hitler’s proscribed remedy is to ‘remove’ the Jews, not ‘kill’ or ‘exterminate’ the Jews.
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Moving past the CNN article, it was not Hitler simply living in a vacuum that inspired his hatred of Jews. European society (including the UK) was largely unfriendly towards the Jews. (So was the USA.) As for Germany, the Jew loathing political force who helped propel Hitler to power was the famous German WW I general Erich Ludendorff. Ludendorff was a hero to most German people in the aftermath of WW I and throughout those miserable times of the Weimar Republic. Hitler’s nascent political movement of the 1920’s was noticed by Ludendorff; their combined loathing of Jewish people was part of a philosophical ‘force multiplier’ that further stoked Hitler’s pre-Ludendorff influenced loathing into actual hatred.
I did not know anything about the alleged influence of Haj Amin al-Husseini on Hitler. I have no reason to dispute Netanyahu’s assertion that the Hitler had met him. I do reject, however, that Hitler’s ‘Final Solution’ was highly influenced by Haj Amin al-Husseini. The bread was already baked before Haj Amin al-Husseini met Hitler.
My beef is with the lazy way that the CNN article depicted the meeting between Haj Amin al-Husseini and Hitler as being the nexus of the Final Solution.
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The whole point is that Bibi is full of ####
Apr 18, 2024, 11:53 AM
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Saying that other people are at fault for not taking Jewish refugees and therefore he had to kill them, hence final solution. Forcibly removing a population is textbook ethnic cleansing and 100% of the blame goes to the group removing the other population.
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Re: The whole point is that Bibi is full of ####
Apr 18, 2024, 3:06 PM
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I agree with you that Netanyahu is no friend of America. I’ve got my doubts that he is actually a true friend towards the Jews. He’s all about staying in political power, and his biggest enemies are those who have those same objectives for their own political careers.
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And what should scare everyone
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Apr 18, 2024, 3:19 PM
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is Bibi is basically #######, he's losing on both the PR and the military front. He desperately needs America to rescue him which is why he's going to keep trying to escalate. Alternatively, it would be appropriate if he did the other thing on the 30th.
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Re: And what should scare everyone
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Apr 18, 2024, 5:29 PM
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With the ADL doing its usual job on the minds of Americans (especially our politicians … 8ncluding those who are pretending to not be going along with Netanyahu), why shouldn’t he keep singing the same tune?
America shouldn’t be picking sides on this one. Both Israel and Hamas are guilty. It stinks, but there is nothing that we can do from an intervention perspective that will fix the problem for the non-Hamas Palestinians. Our endeavors to prolong this conflict via periodic coerced Israeli cease fires will only prolong the conflict and ultimately lead to more casualties than would be the case if everything were allowed to happen big and fast. Israel created Hamas (really … Israel created Hamas as a proxy enemy from within Gaza to fight the PLO); ridding Gaza of Hamas and bearing the international stain of killing non-Hamas Palestinians is Netanyahu’s to wear.
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Re: Palestine. The one thing I do not get, and I suspect something else is going on
Apr 18, 2024, 9:30 PM
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Egypt would take them, except that the region they would be moving into can not handle an influx of that many migrants, and run the risk of letting Hamas into their borders. It is not that nobody gives a ####, it is that they are powerless to do anything.
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Re: Palestine. The one thing I do not get, and I suspect something else is going on
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Apr 18, 2024, 6:33 AM
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Because white people are always the oppressors and people of color are the victims, in the eyes of too many libs. They don't care that Israel has a more liberal society. Down deep too many would be happy if Israel didn't exist.
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Re: Palestine. The one thing I do not get, and I suspect something else is going on
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Apr 18, 2024, 7:43 AM
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It's no coincidence the Arab world forced the Palestinians into this tiny parcel of land and won't allow them to leave. All while pretending it's the evil Israelis who are the bad guys.
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Re: Palestine. The one thing I do not get, and I suspect something else is going on
Apr 18, 2024, 7:53 AM
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They don't want them to leave. They don't want to just give that land to Israel.
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Re: Palestine. The one thing I do not get, and I suspect something else is going on
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Apr 18, 2024, 7:51 AM
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From what I've observed over the years in America, the Arab community cares very much about what happens with Palestine. But that's just my anecdotal experience.
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The formation of Israel in1948 created an inherent conflict with Palestinians
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Apr 18, 2024, 9:51 AM
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Who were living there. Initially there were 700,000 Palestinian refugees who left the land now referred to as Israel and went to Gaza and the West Bank. Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of Jewish people from Arab countries and Europe settled in Israel. Palestinians were opposed to this whole arrangement orchestrated by Great Britain, US and the UN. The roots of militant resistance and terrorism were sown and are deeply entrenched in Palestinian culture. Obviously among Palestinians, there’s a hatred of Israel and no affection for other ME Arab states who initially resisted the formation of Israel but after several armed conflicts signed agreements acknowledging Israel’s existence.
Palestinian refugees in other Arab countries are often retain their resistance and militant roots. So those government aren’t exactly enamored with Palestinian refugees in their country. Reality is that the Palestinians are an issue some Arab governments wish would go away. Yet there’s religious alignment with the Palestinians and their populations. Hence other Arab governments can’t totally sell the Palestinians out but really don’t want to be bothered by their plight. And they sure as hell don’t want Palestinian refugees in their country to stir up trouble.
Iran on the other hand takes advantage of this situation and supports militants and terrorists within the Palestinian population. And the nonviolent Palestinians are caught between the terrorists who dominate their politics (Hamas) and their never ending armed conflicts with Israel. Iran gets to continue to fight a proxy war against Israel. Without some type of legitimate Palestinian state not governed by terrorists, there’s going to be perpetual conflict.
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I think a lot of people just think it's wrong to bomb the poop out of
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Apr 18, 2024, 11:11 AM
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innocents - doesn't matter if they're Arab or Jewish.
I'm not taking a side - Israel didn't really have a choice, especially early on...
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Re: I think a lot of people just think it's wrong to bomb the poop out of
Apr 18, 2024, 8:09 PM
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War is hell
And yes, what happened in in Israel on October 7th was an act of war.
So is what Iran did on April 14th
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The Arab nations have never cared one bit for "Palestine"
Apr 18, 2024, 11:19 AM
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They don't welcome the refugees, they don't welcome those looking to immigrate, they don't support them in any way as a government. None of the surrounding Arab states want any part of their territory used as a "Palestinian" state.
Israel is willing to coexist with "Palestine", but "Palestine" wants Israel to be wiped off the map (from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free?).
The "Palestinian" "leadership" has had multiple chances and options throughout the decades but has rejected every single one because it included Israel. They don't want Israel around. At all. In any way. Ever.
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Re: Palestine. The one thing I do not get, and I suspect something else is going on
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Apr 18, 2024, 11:58 AM
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Both (A) and (B) apply.
(A) being “Palestine is a vector for Leftist anti-semitism, and …”
(B) being “ … Free Palestinian movement is a Leftist front for Marxism, just …”
As Rahm Emanuel had so eloquently stated, ‘never let a crisis go unused.’ Palestinian grievances (the roots of which are legit) and Israel’s determination to both survive -&- exploit their difficulties as a means of extracting financial support (weapons cost money) will remain as a never ending crisis which will continue to exploited by many separate special interest groups which, in many cases, have no actual common interest with any other special interest group.
Both Israel (their politicians and big moneyed interests) and Palestine (their ‘politicians’ aka Hamas) profit from the perpetual nature of this conflict.
Where would Netanyahu be if there was true peace with Palestine aka Hamas? Somewhere in Miami waiting for the restaurant with its senior special to open.
Where would Hamas leadership be if there was permanent peace with Israel? Somewhere in Abu Dhabi cleaning bathrooms in a casino.
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Nice work. Spot on.
Apr 18, 2024, 6:50 PM
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Even Egypt was like, nope, not coming here.
And what is amazing is how they are able to close their borders while we play candy land with the cartels.
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Re: Nice work. Spot on.
Apr 18, 2024, 7:17 PM
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They are allowed in Egypt for 6k per person. Sisi their leader doesn't want a mass flood of Palestinians according to him because it would just concede more land to Israel and would hurr the Palestinian cause.
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LOL. "anyone who opposes genocide of palestinians is a nazi." LOL***
Apr 18, 2024, 7:39 PM
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maybe more abortions in Gaza
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Apr 18, 2024, 9:04 PM
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would have prevented so many children being killed.
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