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Re: As if you needed another reason to hate UNC
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Apr 26, 2023, 10:42 AM
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I’m a UNC grad and this is embarrassing but not shocking coming from the professors. The majority of professors at most colleges are liberals and some are pretty nasty about it. I will say that the UNC board of trustees and the NC state legislature is waking up to this crap. The professors will lose on this fight.
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Re: As if you needed another reason to hate UNC
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Apr 26, 2023, 11:13 AM
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Did you know that Clemson fought against and ignored a similar law in SC for almost 100 years and has only recently complied with an updated law (only one 3 hour class)?
Personally, I think these bills/laws are ludicrous. While I agree that these topics/foundational documents are important, college bound kids would have almost certainly had required courses in high school on these same topics/subjects.
Colleges and Universities should have the autonomy to determine their own offerings without legislative tampering.
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Not when they are largely state funded***
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Apr 26, 2023, 11:15 AM
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Re: Not when they are largely state funded***
Apr 26, 2023, 11:28 AM
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Very good point.
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Re: Not when they are largely state funded***
Apr 26, 2023, 11:33 AM
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I wouldn’t say they are ‘largely’ state funded…maybe 15-20% of the annual budget it from state funds? But I guess even that amount apparently opens the doors to the political whims of our fine state legislative body…many of which couldn’t even get into Clemson University today.
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Re: Not when they are largely state funded***
Apr 26, 2023, 11:46 AM
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Re: Not when they are largely state funded***
Apr 26, 2023, 11:51 AM
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I understand they are state institutions, I just don’t personally like politicians having a say in course offerings…although I guess political tampering is inevitable regardless of party affiliation.
As to my last comment…saying many couldn’t get into Clemson by today’s admissions requirements…a lot tougher than it used to be.
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Re: Not when they are largely state funded***
Apr 26, 2023, 11:53 AM
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Looks like they need more science classes
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Apr 26, 2023, 11:20 AM
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with all that outdoor mask wearing in the pic.
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Re: Looks like they need more science classes
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Apr 26, 2023, 11:27 AM
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I hope that’s an old picture from back when most were running around with face diapers. If that’s more recent bless their little hearts.
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The headline misrepresented the action.
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Apr 26, 2023, 11:33 AM
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(Not surprising, coming from Fox News, which does a good job of stirring up conservatives.)
They don't oppose the courses, but rather that they be required courses for all students at UNC.
It looks like a pretty basic Civics class that ought to be taught in High School!
But, I guess, we can get outraged about this if we want.
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Re: The headline misrepresented the action.
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Apr 26, 2023, 11:41 AM
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There are other courses required for an undergraduate degree. Always been that way with no protests from faculty. They can claim academic freedom all they want but this just looks bad on the part of the professors.
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Re: The headline misrepresented the action.
Apr 26, 2023, 11:52 AM
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Required by UNC or by state law? There’s a difference…
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Re: The headline misrepresented the action.
Apr 26, 2023, 11:59 AM
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I understand the slippery slope but I don’t think it’s an overreach to ask students to know a little about our founding when the tax payer largely funds the place. It just seems like the wrong hill to die on when public perception of college in general is poor these days.
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Re: The headline misrepresented the action.
Apr 26, 2023, 12:17 PM
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I don’t think it’s a slippery slope…once that door is open, it’s open.
As another poster pointed out, all of that information is already included in other classes currently offered. In addition, this is something I’m almost positive nearly 100% of those attending high school in the US would have already been exposed to.
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Re: The headline misrepresented the action.
Apr 26, 2023, 12:21 PM
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I have no idea about the high school requirement on that.
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Re: The headline misrepresented the action.
Apr 26, 2023, 12:34 PM
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High School was so long ago for me, the only thing I remember is lunch…and I never missed that…then…or since.
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Re: The headline misrepresented the action.
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Apr 26, 2023, 12:37 PM
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Same here. I don’t think we had to take a course on the constitution because I don’t think it had been written yet.
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Re: The headline misrepresented the action.
Apr 26, 2023, 11:56 AM
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There are other courses required for an undergraduate degree. Always been that way with no protests from faculty. They can claim academic freedom all they want but this just looks bad on the part of the professors.
(Why do you think Fox News used the misleading headline?)
I'm sure they have core required curriculum and maybe they already have a history or poli sci requirement. I don't think it is a bad look as much as some folks know how to stir others up on stuff like this.
And, like I said, it reads as if it is something that should be taught in North Carolina high schools! That's when I took Civics.
I graduated from Clemson nearly forty years ago, but I feel as if the required (non-major) courses I took wouldn't have filled a whole year. I think I had a history or poli-sci requirement, not a government requirement. But it's been a long time!
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Re: As if you needed another reason to hate UNC
Apr 26, 2023, 11:41 AM
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When they tell us who they are we should believe them.
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the general assembly should not be interfering with
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Apr 26, 2023, 12:20 PM
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curriculum in higher education.
why have you so-called conservatives turned into authoritarians?
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Don’t say gay, black, brown…
Apr 26, 2023, 12:27 PM
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I think you can still say Asian, but they’d probably prefer a country specific slur.
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I agree with them***
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Apr 26, 2023, 12:29 PM
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Should a State government mandate “required” courses? “Offered” OK.
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Apr 26, 2023, 1:02 PM
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If we go this route, the why not organic chemistry, differential equations, thermodynamics, art or biblical studies?
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Re: Should a State government mandate “required” courses? “Offered” OK.
Apr 26, 2023, 8:23 PM
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In time. In time…..
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The funny thing is that universities are
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Apr 26, 2023, 8:55 PM
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Doing this already to a degree. You mention the science/ math classes, But I am pretty sure a Bachelor of Arts degree does require a couple of science and math courses to compliment the more detailed Humanities/ Social Science classes that are a part of the majors.
I received a Bachelor of Science degree. I had to take 9/ and 6 hours of humanities and or social science class. I took political science and some music history classes to satisfy requirements.
I personally think these add ons should be cut as requirements. I know the argument for these classes is to provide a well rounded education. That said, A big issue for our nation is the continually rising cost of higher education. I think most science kids are taking 4-5 years to complete a 4 year degree. If we can shed the 25 hours of extra weight, it could help bring the 4 year degree back to being a 4 year degree.
It would help make it more affordable. I say this with the hope that students that want to take additional classes could do this on their own. It that would be their choice based on how much or little they want to take advantage of college.
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