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Orange Blooded [2127]
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Russian-Originated Propaganda, picked up by China....
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Apr 21, 2024, 1:46 PM
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A Russian theme, picked up by China, and echoed by some in the US (mostly within the GOP):
1) Ukrainians are Nazis
2) It's all about NATO enlargement
3) Ukraine is corrupt
4) Democracies can't do anything about Ukraine
5) We should pay attention to the border and do nothing about Ukraine
6) The Biden Bribe
https://twitter.com/VladaKnowlton/status/1781077485758878012
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Dear Americans. We know you can't buy groceries, but please give us more money.
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Apr 21, 2024, 1:49 PM
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Orange Blooded [2127]
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Thats another trope
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Apr 21, 2024, 2:01 PM
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This idea that supporting Ukraine is something we can’t afford. That’s ######## and you know it.
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The deficit wasn't built by things we "could afford".***
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Apr 21, 2024, 2:04 PM
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Orange Blooded [2127]
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Oh please. Name one budget-busting tax cut you opposed.
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Apr 21, 2024, 2:13 PM
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When Red Hats start talking about the deficits, we know they're lying because they're typing.
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Orange Blooded [2127]
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^^^^Thinks quoting Heritage isn't an admission of own idiocy.***
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Apr 21, 2024, 2:26 PM
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All-TigerNet [13234]
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Those arent heritages numbers that they are citing .***
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Apr 21, 2024, 2:28 PM
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Orange Blooded [2127]
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You linked to Heritage, which is a MAGA "think tank"....
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Apr 21, 2024, 2:56 PM
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https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w32180/w32180.pdf
This paper uses administrative tax data and a new model of global investment behavior to
evaluate the TCJA corporate tax provisions and to illuminate the nature of global production.
We have four main findings. First, the main domestic provisions—the reduction in the corporate rate and full expensing of investment—stimulated domestic investment substantially:
firms with the mean tax change increased investment by 20% relative to firms experiencing no
change. Second, novel international tax provisions that incentivized U.S. multinationals to increase their foreign tangible capital also stimulated domestic investment, indicating within-firm
complementarity between foreign and domestic capital. Third, using our general equilibrium
model, the long-run effects of the TCJA on domestic and total capital are 7% and 13%, respectively. Finally, higher depreciation deductions largely offset additional labor and corporate tax
revenue from capital accumulation. As a result, the total effect on tax revenue over ten years,
which includes dynamic feedback from growth, is within 2p.p. of the mechanical effect of a
41% decline in corporate tax collections.
So, the tax cuts didn't pay for themselves. They cost about $100 billion a year in revenue.
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All-TigerNet [13234]
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LOL @ .ORG***
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Apr 21, 2024, 3:07 PM
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Orange Blooded [2127]
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Laugh all you want, the tax cut bill cost about $100bb a year****
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Apr 21, 2024, 10:59 PM
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Biden lost $85B worth of military equipment in just over a week...***
Apr 22, 2024, 6:59 PM
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Ukraine isnt going to win without direct us intervention
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Apr 21, 2024, 2:44 PM
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And Biden clearly doesn’t have the stones for that
Which is why we are in this stupid mess to begin with
So the democrats and moderate republican solution is to print money
Given the pickle our “ leadership” has gotten us into, I’d be for funding Ukraine if there were commensurate cuts to entitlement and bureaucracy largess. But that’s not going to happen since Raytheon and the unions own congress
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They were actually doing very well until they started running low on ammo...
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Apr 21, 2024, 4:56 PM
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If the West keeps funding them, they will likely defeat Russia.
If we don't, they'll lose, and we'll be fighting Russia probably in a hot-war inside of NATO eventually. This is the time to stop them.
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Liar, just pure BS***
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Apr 21, 2024, 5:13 PM
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Orange Blooded [2127]
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Everything I said was true....
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Apr 21, 2024, 11:01 PM
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They had repelled Russia's initial attack, and had actually taken back land that had originally gone to Russia. They were on the offense. Then, they ran low on ammo, and that's when things turned.
If we supply them, Ukraine will win.
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If that was a lie, Russia would have won by now right?***
Apr 22, 2024, 3:51 PM
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Re: They were actually doing very well until they started running low on ammo...
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Apr 21, 2024, 5:25 PM
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They definitely won't lose the entire country of Ukraine to Russia if they are continually funded, but they may not get most of what they lost back. No funding and all of Ukraine is Russia. That would be a victory for the MAGA people though. Russia wins and gets all of Ukraine. That would be perfection for them.
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Re: They were actually doing very well until they started running low on ammo...
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Apr 21, 2024, 6:25 PM
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Sure, I'd love for Ukraine to drive the Russkies back to their original pre-war borders, and re-take Crimea. I also don't see it happening...the Donbass is largely Russian - certainly it is now, and the Ukrainians have largely fled the region. It's also a devastated war zone and of questionable value.
Crimea was administratively assigned to the Ukraine SSR back in the 1950's. It's only about seven per cent Ukrainian. Again, it'd be lovely if they took it back, but I dunno how much blood they're really willing to spend to do it, and again, what would Ukraine really get? Other than tourism on the coast, Crimea's resource-poor, thinly populated, and worth very little.
But we do need to ensure Ukraine holds onto stuff its side of the Dnipro, or Odessa will fall, and that's it for Ukraine as an independent state. Without a port their ability to trade with the outside world is gone.
But mostly we need the Ukrainians to kill Russians and destroy Russian equipment. Every Russian they kill and every tank they destroy is one we won't ever have to face in the future. The higher the price we extract from Russia for every inch of territory, the less likely their military is to ever be in any kind of shape to start WW3.
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Re: They were actually doing very well until they started running low on ammo...
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Apr 21, 2024, 9:27 PM
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Paragraphs 1, 2, and 3 are spot on.
Paragraph 4 is counterproductive for Ukrainian society. The fantasy that Ukraine kills Russians at highly disproportionately favorable rates is fallacy. Maybe at one point ~ 2 years ago, that was true. Since late Spring 2023, nuh unh.
The USA and NATO are wasting valuable time. A peace in which that part of Donbas currently occupied by Russia ends up with Russia is the best way out. Zukks that Ukraine will have to give up that territory, even though it is wrecked right now. Below the surface dirt are natural resources of value. At least Russia will have to deal with the zillion land mines and unexplored munitions to deal with.
The after-peace program is where the USA and NATO need to get busy. Big time border defense (yep, including border walls), whup-AZT mobile military units with regularly updated high end monitoring / surveillance, and an enduring + regularly updated military reserve (modeled after the IDF, yet modified for the geography & climate of Ukraine) will be critical for Ukraine to deter any future ‘acquisitive impulses’ from Russia.
(*). These high powered border control / protection systems are not identical to active war-making systems. Aid packages to Ukraine should be tailored to emphasize the former, as opposed to sequels to the latter.
But first, a negotiated peace is necessary. This needs to take place before the ‘fighting season’ weather gets good.
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...and that could have been the plan 1-1/2 years ago. MIC no likey.***
Apr 22, 2024, 7:04 PM
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Orange Blooded [4058]
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That was the same logic after WWI
Apr 21, 2024, 9:32 PM
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That created the groundswell of nationalism in Germany that propelled the world into WW3.
We have got to either find and exit ramp for Russia now that allows them to save face, or credibly threaten direct intervention
Otherwise we are just wasting money and lives
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Orange Blooded [4058]
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You are delusional
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Apr 21, 2024, 9:26 PM
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Russia has a dark/proud history of waging wars of attrition against militaries that dwarfed Ukraine.
What does an Ukraine victory or a Russian loss look like?
The absolute best outcome is for both sides to walk away with Russia retaining Crimea & the Donbas.
Russia with Putin at the helm is never going to relinquish those territories willingly and if Ukraine wants them back, it’s going to be over Putin’s dead body.
Aside from that, the only hope is to wage a stalemate until Putin falls dead or is toppled by the oligarchs. Then pray someone meaner and nastier doesn’t take over. That seems highly speculative and not much of a plan.
The most likely scenario is that Russia pummels them for years with both sides taking heavy casualties. Maybe Russia gives up after 10 years after destroying the country like Afghanistan, but that does sound much like a victory
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Re: You are delusional
Apr 21, 2024, 9:36 PM
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Just because you write the truth does not mean that you are a dreaded ‘Putin lover.’
Your post, IMO, is spot on.
It never ceases to amaze me that so many otherwise educated Americans fail to recognize that Ukraine’s possible outcomes are not digitally binary, e.g.:
(1). total victory for Ukraine (which includes the toppling of Putin and the recovery of all territory that Ukraine lost in the 2024 Obama-era war -plus- the part of the Donbas territory that has been lost thus far during the Biden era.
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(2). Total defeat of Ukraine, with the entirety of Ukraine becoming a vassal state of Russia.
The outcome, whether it happens sooner (in which case, many Ukrainian men’s lives will be spared) or later (in which case, additional territorial losses are more likely than territorial recoveries … and more mens’s lives get destroyed).
Sooner is better as far as what will certainly end up as a negotiated peace.
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Re: Ukraine isnt going to win without direct us intervention
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Apr 22, 2024, 9:58 AM
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Biden doesn't have the stones? He has enough stones to arm Ukraine. Trump would have just let Ukraine go and would have cheered on Putin. Now Ukraine will not exist without military funding. That said, they may not get all of their land back, but they can keep basically what they do have now. Thats reason enough to fund them. Russia is already resorting to forcing women prisoners to fight. Tje Russian army is junk. Ukraine just needs the weapons to hold their ground. A successful offensive? That part didn't work last time. The money is well spent.
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Orange Blooded [4058]
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Look, the strategic mistake has already been made twice by democrats
Apr 22, 2024, 1:23 PM
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Putin rightly estimated that Biden would not directly oppose his invasion of Ukraine.
Same way he sized up Obama. Both exercised highly predictable foreign policy Russia knew the exact response they would get.
Putin really did not know what Trump would have done, and that’s why he didn’t try it.
You can argue all you want, but here are the facts:
Russia has twice expanded its territory by armed invasion of Ukraine. Both times they chose to do it while a democrat was in the White House.
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Orange Blooded [2127]
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Deficits are over-rated as an issue...
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Apr 21, 2024, 2:27 PM
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Running deficits is normal, and not a problem economically for a country like the US. But even if it was a problem, people that support massive tax cuts have no right to scream about deficits.
Keowee knows this. But he's a bald-faced liar, and I will call him out when he lies.
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Re: Another reason Trump screwed the GOP.
Apr 21, 2024, 2:49 PM
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They think Trump had the best economy ever with a 7 trillion deficit. He doesn't care, nor know anything anyway.
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Re: Another reason Trump screwed the GOP.
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I know for a fact that every single thing was much cheaper when Trump was in office. I was saving more money. To me that is a good economy. I don’t care about all the bs numbers you idiots try to spew. Go look at prices when Trump left office and look at them now. Blame it on whatever you won’t. Say it’s not Bidens fault that everything is so expensive. That’s fine. Say it’s not Trumps fault that everything was so affordable when he was in office. Whatever. But you can not deny the fact that everything was more affordable when he was president. Rents and mortgages have almost doubled in 3 years.
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Re: Another reason Trump screwed the GOP.
Apr 22, 2024, 9:20 AM
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I know for a fact that every single thing was much cheaper when Trump was in office. I was saving more money. To me that is a good economy. I don’t care about all the bs numbers you idiots try to spew. Go look at prices when Trump left office and look at them now. Blame it on whatever you won’t. Say it’s not Bidens fault that everything is so expensive. That’s fine. Say it’s not Trumps fault that everything was so affordable when he was in office. Whatever. But you can not deny the fact that everything was more affordable when he was president. Rents and mortgages have almost doubled in 3 years.
Do not confuse them with facts.
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Orange Blooded [2127]
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Looks like you need another primer on the economy....
Apr 22, 2024, 1:38 PM
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Biden inherited an absolute nightmare from Trump on multiple fronts, and we're better off today than we were 4 years ago, and that includes the economy.
Jobs: Job growth has been roughly twice what we had during Trump's pre-pandemic years, and Trump left office with fewer people employed than what he inherited from Obama, which was a first since Herbert Hoover.
Covid: Thousands dying daily in January 2021....by 2022, a much better situation, with 70% of America vaxxed, and the pandemic fading into memory.
Prime-Age Employment: The highest it's been since 2001.
Stock market: Hitting record highs.
Uninsured Rate: Lowest ever in the US.
Oil/Gas: More production than any company ever.
Manufacturing Investment: Exploding.
GDP Growth: Better than any other developed country in the world after Covid.
Wage Growth: Wage growth has out-stripped inflation.
Unemployment: Record lows.
I know you hate seeing all this, because a Democrat is in office and - once again - trying to pull us out of a catastrophe he inherited from a Republican - we're doing pretty well. America is open for business, and we're doing better than anything we inherited from the previous guy.
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Oh, youre right, forgot that is the governments money; shouldnt affect anyone.***
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Apr 21, 2024, 9:30 PM
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Orange Blooded [4058]
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Really?
Apr 21, 2024, 9:44 PM
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How can you not understand that this type of spending drives inflation?
They are printing money. Of course it’s going to marginally increase food prices.
Mind you, I think that we need to fund Ukraine. But I don’t think we need to pretend for a moment that this additional unfunded spending doesn’t affect every day prices.
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Orange Blooded [2127]
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At less than 1% of the Federal Budget, no it doesn't drive inflation.****
Apr 21, 2024, 10:47 PM
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Picture: Sept 2022
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Apr 21, 2024, 9:36 PM
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You must have to work extremely hard to be wrong 100% of the time.
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Re: Picture: Sept 2022
Apr 21, 2024, 10:51 PM
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Are you projecting again?
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Heisman Winner [112033]
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Only one that is truthful is #3. Dated a urkainian years ago...
Apr 22, 2024, 11:46 AM
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You can get someone to take your drivers test for you. In college you can pay someone to take your classes.
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