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This kind of thinking should be a jailable offense
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May 4, 2023, 11:32 AM
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"According to the Bible, anyone who is not saved through faith in Jesus Christ will go to hell, no matter what their circumstances.
Many people go to hell having never heard of the existence of any Jesus. That is profoundly sad, and should be motivator for us to try to reach those people with the Gospel."
Seriously. It should be illegal for someone to teach this in a public location.
This is a hate crime, suggesting that everyone who doesn't follow your religion deserves to be tormented for eternity.
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Thankfully we don't live in a place
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May 4, 2023, 11:58 AM
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Where thinking or believing any certain way is a crime. And I hope we never get to that place. Nations that have tried that and are trying that have not been met with positive results for the people. That's Nazi/fascist/dictator thinking. Which you are free to believe and state in this country, of course.
Another aspect you're missing is the belief that I also am deserving to be tormented for eternity. So I'm no different from or better than anyone else.
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Who doesn't deserve hell.
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May 4, 2023, 12:24 PM
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We are not judges. We can't see the heart. The best of us can be fooled and the average person can fool most folks.
Not only are you judging people who you've never met but you're close to passing judgement on God.
https://y.yarn.co/2a99e912-26a6-4bb1-a8cf-7dc48000dbff.mp4
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Re: Who doesn't deserve hell.
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May 4, 2023, 1:25 PM
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I think the part that's not getting through is that even if we could see what's in someone's heart, I can't think of a single that would be deserving of eternal torture.
Even these worst people that have ever lived don't deserved ETERNAL torture for TEMPORAL transgressions.
I know you will say, "we just don't understand", and that's fine if you beleive it but it just doesn't make sense.
Why can we call the good things good but call the bad things "mysterious".
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That's how it is, like it or not.
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May 4, 2023, 2:30 PM
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I don't want to see anyone go to hell and neither does God. That's why He charged me to share the Gospel.
That is why I C&P scripture here. I know you guys are hard hearted and the only thing which can convince you of God's goodness, grace, mercy and forgiveness is His Word.
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Re: That's how it is, like it or not.
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May 4, 2023, 2:41 PM
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> That's how it is, like it or not.
That’s what an ancient religious manuscript says. That doesn’t make it reality.
> That is why I C&P scripture here. I know you guys are hard hearted and the only thing which can convince you of God's goodness, grace, mercy and forgiveness is His Word.
The first two chapters contradict each other. How are we supposed to take it serious?
Nobody is “hard hearted”, we can just see the obvious.
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I've shared the story of Ms Boles here a couple times.
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May 5, 2023, 5:10 AM
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My grandparent owned and operated a little country store back in the 40s-60s. Across the road live a little old lady who had no electricity. My father and I would go to her back yard to dig for fishing worms. We had to visit and sit a spell to pay for the worms but she was precious so I remember he well.
She cooked on a wood/coal burning stove and use 'coiloil,' we call it kerosene, in her lamps. She had no electricity. I think that little shack she lived in was the only house I ever knew that didn't have electricity. I asked Ms Boles why she didn't have electricity. She said, 'I don't believe in it.'
I never really understood whether she didn't trust electricity, she thought it was sinful or she just didn't believe it was real even though she's seen the lights in the store, the freezers which kept ice cream and ice and the coolers which kept the soda pop cold. Being a child I reckoned she didn't believe it was real.
Scripture is like electricity. Believe it or not when a 115v hot wire gets hold of you there's a reaction down deep inside you but when a 240v wire grabs you you can't let it go. It really doesn't matter what you believe about electricity or the Bible. Both work with our without your endorsement.
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Re: I've shared the story of Ms Boles here a couple times.
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May 5, 2023, 3:10 PM
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Please don't take my next statement/question as derogatory. AFAIK you seem like a good person, and I'm sure we'd get along just fine. I do have a question though:
> Believe it or not when a 115v hot wire gets hold of you there's a reaction down deep inside you but when a 240v wire grabs you you can't let it go. It really doesn't matter what you believe about electricity or the Bible. Both work with our without your endorsement.
As specifically as you can, what do you mean by this? What evidence is there that this "electricity" has grabbed you?
I'm not asking as a gotcha question, either. I'll tell you my exact intention: I don't think there is anything that's changed about you that requires a supernatural explanation. So I'm asking to be proved wrong. I say this because I've heard this claim (and even said it myself in my college days as Christian!) but I've never actually seen any supernatural changes.
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Re: I've shared the story of Ms Boles here a couple times.
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May 7, 2023, 12:46 PM
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I boast only in The Lord: I was 19, my father drove one of his 18 wheelers and stayed on the road for at least two weeks at a time. My mother rode with him for the three months previous to my biggest caper and she came home to manage our situation.
They had left my brother that me to fend for ourselves with nothing but a home, a new Caddy and 150 bucks a week for food and entertainment. That was 1970 so we survived. 
The only friends I had were those who were fooled by my charisma and lies. I lied to everyone including myself. We burglarized the bank near our home and ended up at the Federal Courthouse in Knoxivlle.
My father came home a week or so later and brought me an Elgin Sportman watch. That was his way of saying I love you. He told me he would hire a good lawyer and try to get the least punishment for me possible. I was so wrapped up in my distress that I didn't respond as a son should to his father.
I was numb from drugs, liquor and women but that which bothered me most was the feeling that I was trapped in a long hallway which had no windows to see out through and no doors other than the exit down the way in front of me and the entrance behind. I felt like the direction I was traveling lead to doom from the small still voice behind me which gently called my name.
I had heard the call for months and for a long time felt trapped in my lifestyle yet continued. As the voice got closer to me I sped up and tried to escape the trauma of God's calling. I recognized that voice though I'd never heard it before. It was unmistakable.
My dad could only stay at home for a few days then one of his customers called and had a load of freight to deliver. He left and was gone about a week when my mother's father came to the house and burst through the front door. He looked stressed beyond belief as he said 'Ruth, Bobby is dead.' My 36 year old father had died of his first heart attack just hours before we heard about it.
At that moment that hallway got more narrow and the door in front of me got much farther away. The world seemed to collapse around me as God touched my shoulder with His Right hand. It was the strongest and most gentle force I've ever known. He turned me around and looked me right in the eyes and said, "I've been talking to you, will you listen?'
I knew I was lost, I knew He wanted to save me and I knew how it all worked. I'd heard about the plan of salvation intermittently since I found myself in the long hallway. I dropped to my knees and asked Jesus to save me. Suddenly the pain of loss subsided as it gave way to eternal concerns. Any worry about prison was gone. The only thing which mattered to me was giving praise to God for His patient love and grace.
God took His rightful place upon the throne in my heart. He directed my life by making me sensitive to His will. That's not to say I changed my life but only that He changed my heart.
I know Him now better than anyone knows their earthly father. That's not because I sought Him but because he sought me. He purchased me with the Blood of His Son and I belong to Him. I have no choice in this matter though I have done many wrongs since then. I belong to Him, lock, stock and barrel.
I would speak of the things which He has used me to do over the coming months after I got saved but that would distract from His Glory for saving my sorry butt.
I didn't edit this because of the overwhelming emotions which rose within me as I testify of His love.
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Re: Who doesn't deserve hell.
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Oct 17, 2023, 8:40 PM
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Job 21
God does not care what you think of Him. He is Righteous.EVERUTHING He does is Just and Righteous. Sinful man can not judge Righteous God.
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Yeah, I don't know about that.
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May 4, 2023, 1:16 PM
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It is quite obviously a fear-based tool to control people (the whole thing wouldn't work without the fear of punishment) and is probably harmful to the psyche. I think it's a big slippery slope those to prosecute people for their belief systems though. Not for that at all.
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Re: Yeah, I don't know about that.
May 4, 2023, 3:04 PM
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It does seem that the carrot and stick is a phenomenon, though probably not unique, is more given to the Judeo-Christian-Muslim tradition.
Other religions are not that way at all. They're not a fight for the soul of man. They are a path, or a lifestyle, or advice, on how to understand God and existence.
Culturally, that might be the result of the first Jews competing for identity in an area already covered with local gods. There's an awful lot of the OT dedicated to "stop marrying the locals" and "stop worshipping local gods." Even the Kings of Israel and Judah were guilty of transgressions.
2Chron 33:15 "[Manasseh] got rid of the foreign gods and removed the image from the temple of the Lord, as well as all the altars he had built on the temple hill and in Jerusalem; and he threw them out of the city."
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Re: Yeah, I don't know about that.
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May 4, 2023, 4:53 PM
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I mean, it's precisely why Christianity/Islam took off whereas Judaism did not. It's hard to convince people they need religion unless they will be punished if they don't.
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You're a donkey anus.***
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Re: You're a donkey anus.***
May 4, 2023, 3:14 PM
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Put me back on your ignore list.
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You're still on it.***
May 4, 2023, 3:25 PM
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Re: You're still on it.***
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May 4, 2023, 4:24 PM
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Is this where you want to be when Jesus comes back? Ignoring poor little Big Dog?
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Sorry you're on ignore, I can't see your replies.***
May 4, 2023, 5:01 PM
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Re: Sorry you're on ignore, I can't see your replies.***
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May 4, 2023, 6:52 PM
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Rent free
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Re: This kind of thinking should be a jailable offense
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May 5, 2023, 6:21 AM
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That's silly
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Re: This kind of thinking should be a jailable offense
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May 5, 2023, 6:26 AM
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Obviously you're just messing around. First Amendment violations are clearly justification for war.
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I wondering how he believes a belief is such a sin...
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and ignores the statement 'For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God,' yet insist that God's penalty for sin is unjust.
Maybe 'we'll all understand by and by.'
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Re: I wondering how he believes a belief is such a sin...
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here is what I don't think is getting conveyed to you for whatever reason
> For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God
I think everyone in here is aware that's what the bible says.
> yet insist that God's penalty for sin is unjust.
Yes, because it does not logically follow that it's just, just because the bible says it.
If the bible said, it's ok to punch your neighbor in the face every Wednesday. We would all agree, that yes, that's what it says. It would not, however, be ridiculous to point out how unloving/unjust that is.
I (and I assume most others) don't have a problem with the concept of punishment. The problem is when it doesn't match the crime. I'm 100% ok with punishing my children, but there is nothing they could ever do to warrant something as gross as the concept of hell.
The bible it clearly man's attempt to explain the universe. You can tell by the fact that it changes so dramatically from book to book and that some books were chosen (by men) and others were left out. There are tons of contradictions and errors riddled through it. So, no, it doesn't have the authority you seem to think it does. Telling people they are going to hell for not believing what you do (even though you don't have any solid evidence to share) is gross.
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Your assumption that you are a qualified judge...
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May 7, 2023, 12:03 PM
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who can righteously judge man is a delusion. Perhaps you would make a good judge if you were chosen, hired or elected to judge man's law. You probably know right from wrong according to our constitution, federal, state, county and city laws.
You and I are not qualified to judge man's soul. That's divine court and we can't read the hearts of one another well enough to be that type of judge. Only God can handle it.
Now if He dies and leaves you to judge eternal matters you'd open the prison gate and set all the inmates free. You might even compensate them for time spent for their immorality.
They certainly wouldn't let me judge if they saw my record.
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Re: This kind of thinking should be a jailable offense
Sep 3, 2023, 12:19 AM
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It's Free Speech.
Why you not fussing about Islam for their exclusive beliefs?
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Re: This kind of thinking should be a jailable offense
Oct 17, 2023, 9:13 PM
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Islam should be banned as well.
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Re: This kind of thinking should be a jailable offense
Oct 18, 2023, 8:26 AM
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I thought "liberals" were supposed to embrace religious freedom.
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Re: This kind of thinking should be a jailable offense
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Oct 18, 2023, 1:27 PM
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I'm liberal in the sense that I believe people should be free to do anything they want as long as it doesn't cause harm to others.
You can't say that about fundamental religion.
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Re: This kind of thinking should be a jailable offense
Oct 18, 2023, 4:43 PM
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How is my belief that you are going to Hell harming you?
We will save the millions of innocent humans y'all allow to be murdered in the mothers woumb for another discussion.
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Re: This kind of thinking should be a jailable offense
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Your beliefs: that certain people who do certain things or look a certain way are wrong and ruining society, are harmful to those people.
Fundamental religion is responsible for this mindset and it causes hate crimes and even worse wars. Christians have committed just as many atrocities in the name of their religion as Muslims.
Not interested in discussing abortion. I'm sure having one is a tough decision for a young girl on welfare who has no family or support to make. I've never been there, and I doubt you have either.
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Re: This kind of thinking should be a jailable offense
Oct 18, 2023, 6:37 PM
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Murder is murder. That one is simple.
I believe certain actions are sin. You believe my beliefs should be outlawed and me jailed.
What is the difference? I have no acceptance for sin. You have no acceptance for my beliefs.
Explain me the difference.
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Re: This kind of thinking should be a jailable offense
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I think you should be free to worship who or whatever you want in private. Ironically that's exactly what biblical christianity was.
Organized religion and the way it effects society and politics is not a good thing and I wonder what the real historical Jesus would think of it?
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Re: This kind of thinking should be a jailable offense
Oct 19, 2023, 8:21 AM
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If Biblical Christianity was "in private" why were ALL the Apostles martyred? Have you ever read Acts?
There was NOTHING private about Paul's ministry.
I believe you either need to provide evidence for or reevaluate your statement.
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Re: This kind of thinking should be a jailable offense
Oct 19, 2023, 8:27 AM
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The early church met in houses. Yes they went out and spread the gospel, but what I meant by private was that it was not in public million dollar buildings with pastors with a $100k salary. They were not concerned about effecting laws and politics. They were looking forward to the end that they thought was near and saving as many people as possible.
That is a FAR CRY from what christianity represents and tries to accomplish in modern society.
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Re: This kind of thinking should be a jailable offense
Oct 19, 2023, 11:15 AM
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There were actually several huge churches in the Apostolic period. The pastors did not make big money. The Charleston's of today are irrelevant. They are Charleston's. Charleston's also existed in apostolic era.
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Re: This kind of thinking should be a jailable offense
Oct 17, 2023, 8:35 PM
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The left wants to outlaw Christianity as hate. Not surprising.
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Re: This kind of thinking should be a jailable offense
Oct 19, 2023, 8:33 AM
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Why should it be? There are no victims. Nobody really goes to hell.
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Re: This kind of thinking should be a jailable offense
Oct 19, 2023, 6:21 PM
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You don't think people have been hurt by religion?
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Re: This kind of thinking should be a jailable offense
Oct 21, 2023, 2:53 PM
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You don't think people have been hurt by atheistic doctrine?
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