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Transfer portal and "Culture"
Nov 9, 2021, 1:16 PM
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There seems to be a sentiment among TNet posters that players in the transfer portal are quitters. My question is, if Dabo's culture is so strong, why has he recruited so many quitters? Why do we have guys transferring in the middle of the season?
Also, Bama, UGA, and OSU take "quitters" from the transfer portal. It seems like those programs are doing just fine.
Can a TNetter explain to me how taking a player from the portal will harm our "culture"?
Can a TNetter explain why Clemson watching on the sidelines while other programs add great "quitters" to their programs such as: Joe Burrow, Justin Fields, Kenneth Walker, Trey Sermon, and many others doesn't put us at a disadvantage?
Also, try to leave a response with good reasoning. Please avoid using words like "Coot". It automatically shows you have no argument.
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Re: Transfer portal and "Culture"
Nov 9, 2021, 1:32 PM
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Yeah, I’m with you on this Tigres. Something isn’t right with our recruiting and/or culture right now. Can’t have it both ways- something special about our program, recruit high character Clemson guys - then this many guys leave, and it’s just “nothing surprises me”.
Feels to me like we’re slow/late to change how we recruit. I don’t think all these guys who have left are quitters. I just think the landscape changed faster than our coaches were ready for it wanted to admit. I’m hopeful there are some major changes in the off-season because if we run it back with the same guys and same approach expecting different results, that will be concerning.
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Re: Transfer portal and "Culture"
Nov 9, 2021, 1:58 PM
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Bingo!
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Someone gets it!***
Nov 9, 2021, 1:46 PM
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I really think...
Nov 9, 2021, 1:58 PM
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Just slight changes/adaptations can do the trick. Focusing solely on OL, since its been an issue for a good while, finding highly rated OL who are not "issues" will be difficult....but no reason not to go after the occasional kid like (thinking of the FSU center) Bama got a few seasons ago. I would use it like Bama does...sparingly....not like UF which relies on it too heavily b/c its HC is a lazy recruiter.
If you are not going to use the portal, you better start signing (and offering) a few more HS kids to account for the one-way expressway out of CU. Also, don't agree with Dabo with having a OL room of only 15. None of our competitors (BAMA, UGA, OSU) have OL rooms that small. OL is soooooo key. If you truly believe the best teams are "built from the inside out," your OL room needs to be bigger with more quality depth so when the transfer or injury bug hits, you are better equipped to handle the attrition.
JMO....
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Re: I really think...
Nov 9, 2021, 2:03 PM
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We need to sign bigger classes. In addition, we have too many former walk-ons on scholarship.
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Re: Transfer portal and "Culture"
Nov 9, 2021, 2:02 PM
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While I don't subscribe to the "quitters" labeling mentality, I do recognize that the portal is a problem for some, and a help for others. Major programs recruit more top quality players and that means that for those programs, some pretty good players won't get much time on the field. So, players leave. This is most prevalent with higher rated recruiting schools. Those schools you mentioned have just as many transfers out as Clemson does, some more. The bad thing is it hurts depth and erodes a sense of loyalty to the team which is more important to some programs like Clemson. At Clemson, it's less about the trophy case than it is about being part of something special. At least it has been. That is slowly changing too. For some programs, they get quality players from the portal that they could never have recruited which levels the playing field some. When it comes to bringing in a player from the portal, who would you bring in and who would you sit down? For a coach like Dabo, whos reputation with mothers as the guy who will treat their son like his son, is extremely important. How can he be that guy and still have to explain that he bumped some 4-star guys down in favor of transfers? When those guys commit, they know who is here and who is coming that year. The portal changes all of that. Dabo doesn't want that to poison his program and I agree. I know that eventually we will need to use it. But, I agree that we should delay that as long as possible. To me, Dabo is being very true to who he has always said he would be to players and their parents.
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Re: Transfer portal and "Culture"
Nov 9, 2021, 2:07 PM
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That's the issue. When you're paid $9 million a year it's about the trophy case.
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SMPL....I don't think you can delay any longer....
Nov 9, 2021, 2:20 PM
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its already hurt us.
And I'm not really referring to the portal. Again, I'm not a huge portal fan either and think its much wiser going after home-grown HS talent. We just need to sign and offer more. Offering 70-80 kids ± yearly doesn't cut it anymore. I don't think we need to offer 300-400 kids that BAMA/UGA does...and I agree with Dabo an offer should mean something....but we are left holding the bag when we wait on kids too long, lose a battle, and then are too late to offer another highly ranked kid and then settle signing a project. This happens too much on the OL.
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Re: Transfer portal and "Culture"
Nov 9, 2021, 2:19 PM
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I can't blame any of our players that left for the "opportunity" to play. The issue is that we have had an insane amount of talent at certain positions - sure, Mellusi may have had a chance of playing at Clemson this year, but he certainly would be sharing carries with 2 others. Bowman on the other hand..probably not. Who have we lost to the portal that really hurt us that has really made it (Mellusi seems to have been the most successful); the same would occur if we brought players in - there would not be anyone that would "knock it out of the park" - probably just add to depth like most of Clemson players who left via the portal.
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Re: Transfer portal and "Culture"
Nov 9, 2021, 2:41 PM
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"Joe Burrow, Justin Fields, Kenneth Walker, Trey Sermon, and many others doesn't put us at a disadvantage?"
ALL FOUR of those guys mentioned would have been 2nd string (or further)
Burrow and Fields would have been a BACKUP to TL! (And why they transferred)
I am glad that Walker made move from WF but then again, was it really an upgrade? Exposure maybe but would he be #1 on our team. I don't think so. Would he have started over ETN or now Shipley? Sermon would be another also ran behind ETN.
Why does Dabo take so many quitters? Is Chase Brice a quitter? Heck naw.
No, Dabo gets the first crack at talent. He allows guys that wants "more" to go get more but not before he gets the first option first. That is the point of being both first and next man up. The best always rise. If someone thinks they should be "the #1" and they aren't well, are we worried about it?
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It's an entire field of recruiting that Clemson is ignoring***
Nov 9, 2021, 2:44 PM
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Re: Transfer portal and "Culture"
Nov 9, 2021, 4:43 PM
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Probably easy to pick out the transfers who succeed, since they get the glory. What about the dozens that bomb after transferring?
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I won't call you a Coot. But, I WILL say that Dabo doesn't
Nov 9, 2021, 5:04 PM
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owe you or anyone else on Tigernet an explanation of how he runs his program. His results pretty emphatically speak for themselves. Just because this year happens to be a one-off aberration doesn't entitle anyone not employed by the football program to have their input mean something.
If Dabo has so insulted your intelligence by his actions that you can no longer support him, then by all means, go support Alabama, Georgia, or some other school that you say makes a living via the vaunted Transfer Portal.
I, for one believe that Dabo looks at players in the portal and evaluates them just as he did our players when he was recruiting them. The fact that he hasn't taken a portal player means that in his eyes, he hasn't found one who is worth potentially taking up a scholarship he could use next year to recruit a high school player. You can argue all you want that his logic is flawed, but he doesn't owe you an explanation for that logic. He sticks to what he believes is best for HIS program that HE created from scratch.
This year has been nearly the "Perfect Storm" for injuries, substandard play, dismissal for cause, and yes, defections via the transfer portal. Players are just not willing to develop and "wait their turn" anymore. Clemson is not alone in that boat, for sure.
It sounds pretty pathetic that we have to beg for people to have faith in a coach who has been to the playoffs six straight years, won two National Championships, and made it to the final game playing for three others in six years. No other coach not named Nick Saban can boast of a record even in that ZIPCODE.
I pray the day never comes when Clemson University starts actually trying to appease armchair coaches. All you have to do to know what happens then is look south towards Cootlumbia. How many "next savior" quarterbacks are they up to now?
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Re: I won't call you a Coot. But, I WILL say that Dabo doesn't
Nov 9, 2021, 5:22 PM
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Example #1 of emotional TNetter response.
I don't believe Dabo owes me an explanation. I do however, believe that a coach making $9 million is not above criticism when expectations are not met. Many of the problems this year are because of Dabo's refusal to adapt to modern CFB.
And yes, I believe he'll fix it. And no, I won't cheer for another team. What a childish response.
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I would remind you that the only reason you HAVE those
Nov 9, 2021, 5:33 PM
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lofty expectations is the past results of the program that Dabo has built.
Carry on.
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