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Maybe Clemson is considering once again becoming
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a military school?
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Just getting back to our roots apparently.***
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Doomed. Obviously.***
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Wait...
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are these football or basketball statistics?
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I find it embarrassing. No excuse for us not to use it.***
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You're an embarrassment every time you open your pie hole.***
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Re: You're an embarrassment every time you open your pie hole.***
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Here here!!
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Re: I find it embarrassing. No excuse for us not to use it.***
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May 7, 2024, 3:12 PM
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Your response suggests that taking TP players is some sort of status symbol. As if the mere act is going to yield more success on the field. So the more TP players the better the team will be. Check Colorado Buffs for that.
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Legend [19654]
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We can also say check every national championship team since 2019
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May 7, 2024, 3:16 PM
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All have transfer players. The portal can and does help. No you shouldn't replace half your team with it. Both of those statements are true. Don't be so polar minded.
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Not sure what you're trying to prove with this.***
May 7, 2024, 4:01 PM
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Transfer portal era <> playoff era
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I'm not proving anything...
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May 7, 2024, 4:11 PM
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I'm asking if you think we should change the formula?
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Re: I'm not proving anything...
May 8, 2024, 12:15 AM
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I think it might be kind of hard to say not using it has made us better over the last couple of years. I just have a hard time believing we are the only one getting it right and literally everyone else in P5 is wrong.
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Heisman Winner [141113]
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That's not what I'm saying...
May 8, 2024, 8:51 AM
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and there is also a pretty big flaw in your logic. Every team except Clemson is not getting it right. In fact, only 19 out of 134 teams got it righter last season.
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Re: I find it embarrassing. No excuse for us not to use it.***
May 8, 2024, 10:40 AM
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Or the converse is true for Dabo. Evidently he believes not using the transfer portal is a status symbol. It's the talent acquisition game. Every other program who is attempting to compete at the highest level is using the portal to improve weaknesses on their roster. Imagine an NFL team refusing to sign any free agents and only trying to build their roster from draft picks.
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Dabo is the coach, let him decide to use it or not. The TP is new and is
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May 7, 2024, 3:18 PM
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popular right now. To paraphrase a friend, "the TP is for coaches who can't recruit HS players. They use the portal to pick up players looking for a place with less talent at their position. Immediate playing time."
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Re: same for Army ?***
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Dufus...there are specific qualifications for getting in a military accademy...they don't take dirt bags off the street or second hand football players looking for a start or more NIL payola...Looking for a higher class of person...may be running short in this country!
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Re: I find it embarrassing. No excuse for us not to use it.***
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May 7, 2024, 4:10 PM
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The team literally has one maybe two available scholarships per David Hood so the net in/out margin at best was going to 10. The only way Dabo could have changed the situation was to run off players or not sign 8-10 incoming freshman. Why do people have such a hard time understanding this? If he runs off players then the culture he built is destroyed. If Clemson was outside the top 20 in the HS recruiting rankings then I could see passing on a handful of 2 or 3 star HS projects in order to sign experienced transfers.
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Re: I find it embarrassing. No excuse for us not to use it.***
May 7, 2024, 4:55 PM
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"Embarrassing" seems like an odd choice of words. Why would you be embarrassed about something you have zero input on, zero control over, zero reflection on you as a person, parent, sibling, spouse or friend and which has zero impact on you personally?
Frustrated maybe, if this is the sort of thing you get frustrated over.
As for me, seems best to leave it to the pros that get paid to manage the program, which includes absolutely no one on TigerNet. The fact that Clemson took/takes no one from the portal means nothing without a heck of a lot more information
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Re: We're in odd company
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May 7, 2024, 3:16 PM
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The portal players worth having are in the portal for the $$.
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Legend [19654]
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This is not always true.
May 7, 2024, 3:17 PM
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Ignorant response.
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It may not be always true. I'll even concede that it is not always true. But
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it is often true.
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Re: This is not always true.
May 7, 2024, 10:09 PM
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Why would a top player in the country leave the current team they are on unless it is for $? Do you think wr go to uga tonne developed as wrs or do they go for the cash? If mot for cash they have been contacted by future team before they ever hit the portal. I agree there are a few that are not as stated but are they better than the players we have or were they better against lesser talent at the small school they came from. The portal is a complex thing. I think dabo chooses to use it on the recruiting of top recruits saying he does not bring in transfer ahead of them. So how many recruits have we gotten because of that. Nobody knows the answer.
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Legend [19654]
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Playing time
May 8, 2024, 12:38 PM
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personal reasons
closer to home
don't like staff
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there's plenty of reasons. Saying it is all about money is just a an ignorant broad stroke assumption that questions every player's character. It's just ignorant.
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Yep. Outside of high dollar players, the portal is full of backups from
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May 7, 2024, 3:18 PM
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Directional schools
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Legend [19654]
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Not true***
May 7, 2024, 3:26 PM
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Very true***
May 7, 2024, 3:57 PM
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Legend [19654]
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Not even slightly. You're making ignorant assumptions***
May 7, 2024, 4:02 PM
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No, that's just you
May 7, 2024, 10:29 PM
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See, I can make words, too.
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I suspect this approach is not sustainable, but i guess we will find out
May 7, 2024, 3:32 PM
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over the next few seasons. There is some value to zigging when everyone else is zagging, but is it enough to completely shut off an entire avenue of talent acquisition?
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Re: I suspect this approach is not sustainable, but i guess we will find out
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Well we have gone from 11 and 12 win seasons to 8 and 9. Maybe the wake up call will come when it drops to 6 and 7 wins.
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Our last 3 seasons included 10, 11, and 9 wins - in that order.
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Why throw out a lie when trying to bolster your argument? It makes your side seem whiny and irrational.
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I think you're arguing semantics until we actually sign somebody
May 7, 2024, 4:47 PM
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We've signed 3 transfers in 4 years, and none of them were intended to ever play a meaningful snap.
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Re: We're in odd company
May 7, 2024, 3:37 PM
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Is this the Lady Tigers or the Tigers?
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Re: We're in odd company
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Win and lose, I like the idea of commitment. I’m not a fan of one and done portal players who had the opportunity to pursue a Clemson scholarship out of high school and chose not to. Now that they need a year in the limelight to advance their draft ability they jump ship from a team they had no commitment to, to the team that pays the most or gives them more nfl attention. Basketball is loading up the roster with outsiders. They’ll have a good season, Brownell will get a good contract extension. They’ll be gone, and other unknowns from other places will take their place while just win fans yell ra-ra-ra while college sports sink to the level of the minor leagues.
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Re: We're in odd company
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Looks to me like we’re in great company!!
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Sure if we're fighting wars***
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Re: We're in odd company
May 7, 2024, 3:57 PM
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How would you(any reader here) feel if player X came to Clemson via TP, had a great season and,,,,he wasn’t a senior. So next spring rolls, we’re all excited thinking player X will be back and be even better. All of a sudden; Nope, He Gone! Transferred again. That would frustrate me. No loyalty.
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Same as I feel with the 12 we have leaving now.***
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Or the same as I've felt for 30+ years when good Jrs leave for the NFL
May 7, 2024, 4:03 PM
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why would that change?
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Re: Or the same as I've felt for 30+ years when good Jrs leave for the NFL
May 7, 2024, 4:14 PM
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I feel that too, mainly talking about 1 and done, off to another school, sometimes our competitors. I know the game is changing but I still like the loyalty. I’m an old fa*t.
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Identifying & Recruiting Portal Players takes effort
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Dabo has zero interest in expending that effort. Clemson pays Dabo top dollar, and he has a job for life. So Dabo has little skin in the game, why should he put in the extra work? Let lesser schools like Michigan, Notre Dame, UGA, BAMA, Ohio State and others put in the work to buy portal players and wins.
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We employ someone whose sole job is to recruit the portal
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and the guy has been getting paid to do absolutely nothing apparently.
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Yeah the offers...
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were probably more about appearance than actual talent acquisition. The appearance of being amenable to the portal as a source for supplementing the roster. I don't believe there was much expectation of a commit via the TP but that's just an assumption. I'd also be curious to know how well informed the portal guru (back up qb's dad, name escapes me) is regarding TP personnel as well as potentials-
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Re: Identifying & Recruiting Portal Players takes effort
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Dude…don’t accuse Dabo of being lazy. That’s a joke. Guy works all the time. You may disagree with his approach but it not from lack of work.
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Re: Identifying & Recruiting Portal Players takes effort
May 8, 2024, 10:41 AM
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Dabo isn't lazy, but he's stubborn and arrogant. He'd rather dig his heels in the sand than adapt to a changing game.
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We're in the company of actual "college" football teams at least. Those are
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about the only 3 left.
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Those 3 are 1 way portal schools by default..
May 7, 2024, 11:12 PM
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Nevermind the acceptance requirements + military commitment after grad; all transfers have to start again as freshmen, as plebes, and go through military basic training-
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Re: We're in odd company
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Not really. It's all about loyalty, so Dabo and Clemson fit in as well as a
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non-military school could.
I like the way Dabo is doing things - no hired guns - and I hope he's successful and shows the Clemson way of doing things can work. (But, I don't think it will.)
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Interesting Season Ahead
May 8, 2024, 1:23 PM
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Tigers starting with UGA and Kirby Smart who has perfected NIL/Pay for Play and O-line/RB/Defense recruiting. Smart uses the portal to fill holes with (9) incoming 2024 transfers incl.(6) 4-stars.
Dabo and Kirby are relatively equal in terms of HC success even while UGA is on a better three-year trajectory. Can Dabo shock the world and shake that up with a 2024 opener win? Lets hope so. I believe Clemson can win a low scoring game if Wes, Nick and Reed have the young guys on Defense coached up this summer, and Tigers Offense blocks, mixes it up, and minimizes turnovers. Running Mafah up the middle all day will not cut it. Will Riley & Dabo force UGA to not stack line and play the whole field by sending Wesco, Moore or Turner on a few deep routes? One big play could be the difference.
FSU and NCSU represent a lower bar but also 2023 losses to be addressed. Will Clemson allow Norvell to upgrade his status with two in a row?
Tigers taking care of business this year will improve Clemson's media trajectory by forcing ESPN/SEC and Fox/B1G to cut back on Clemson slights. And winning will no doubt help conference realignment positioning.
The Defense skews young with Woods, Parker, Carter, Sammy Brown, and Terrell representing top pro caliber players. Will these young guys be ready in Game 1?
A lot on the line in 2024 incl. Clemson's ability to compete without portal players. Go Tigers!
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Re: We're in odd company
May 9, 2024, 8:58 AM
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You spelled "good" wrong.
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