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Deer Jounge Presbyterians
Mar 18, 2015, 9:11 AM
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Yall switching teams anytime soon? We have a few who have left our church because of this.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/17/us/presbyterian-church-gay-marriage/index.html
Presbyterian group changes marriage definition to include same-sex couples By Holly Yan, CNN
(CNN)The country's largest Presbyterian denomination has changed its definition of marriage to include gay couples -- though not explicitly.
Presbyterian Church (USA) approved an amendment to its constitution after most of its 171 presbyteries -- or governing bodies -- voted for it, PC (USA) said Tuesday.
Before, the definition said marriage was between "a man and a woman."
The new definition says, in part, that "marriage involves a unique commitment between two people, traditionally a man and a woman, to love and support each other for the rest of their lives."
Already, PC (USA) ministers can perform same-sex marriages in states where such marriages are legal, the group said. But no teaching elder or session can be forced to conduct same-sex marriage ceremonies if they do not believe they are appropriate.
Not all members supported the decision.
In a post on PC (USA)'s website, Jean and Robert Gorney accused the church of going against the Bible and threatened to leave.
"We are not to change the Bible," their post said. "I don't care who disagrees."
But the Covenant Network of Presbyterians, which says it supports "a fully inclusive church," welcomed the news Tuesday night.
"The change aligns the church's constitution with a reality that has long been true: Both same-gender and opposite-gender couples have been living in relationships that demonstrate covenant faithfulness, shared discipleship and mutual love," the group said.
"We are also aware that the discussion has been a difficult one for many, and that some will feel a deep sense of pain over this decision. The Covenant Network is committed to fostering healthy dialogue and working with those who hold a view different from ours, seeking opportunities for us to model an authentic and productive unity."
The amendment will take effect on June 21.
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Oculus Spirit [81941]
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GET OUT QUICK! YOU MIGHT CATCH THE GHEY!!***
Mar 18, 2015, 9:12 AM
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Heisman Winner [106767]
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I go to a really small church in a small town and there are
Mar 18, 2015, 9:14 AM
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at least 3-4 gay people who I know grew up in that church. I think it is spreading.
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WHALE CONGRATS TO YOU GREENR
Mar 18, 2015, 9:16 AM
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DOES THIS MEAN MRS. GREENR IS "AVAILABLE" FOR DATES ?
ASKING FOR FRAN
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Heisman Winner [106767]
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Naw, we staying together for the kids.***
Mar 18, 2015, 9:16 AM
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CU Medallion [67006]
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Hmmmm, avoiding the question
Mar 18, 2015, 9:18 AM
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tell her I like black dresses and I will pick her up at 6PM on Saturday.
Leave the money on the dresser, right ?
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Oculus Spirit [78876]
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Kony & Benghazi 2012, Snowden 2013, Ebola 2014,
Mar 18, 2015, 9:19 AM
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Catching Homosexuality 2015.
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Jet Fuel & Steel Beams in 2001
Mar 18, 2015, 9:21 AM
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Just because its controversial don't mean people don't want it.
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Nonsense
Mar 18, 2015, 12:09 PM
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Gays and Lesbians do not choose their lifestyle. The ASA has shown this very graphically. You do yourself a disservice to believe anything else. Go Tigers, educate yourselves on sensitive issues.
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What would happen if...
Mar 18, 2015, 9:15 AM
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you asked Holly Yan to say "Buttel fries ale flee to fry, fry away"?
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My father
Mar 18, 2015, 9:23 AM
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is a Presbyterian minister (PCA), and he does not approve of the theological liberalism of PCUSA. He is also 82 years old, and doesn't accept change, even if it doesn't involve him or his church.
Personally, I don't think the change to the constitution will make a difference in attendance. All Presbyteries will be replaced by the Perry's of the world eventually.
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Re: my BIL was a PC-USA pastor. The whole church left over
Mar 18, 2015, 9:37 AM
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This issue. They are now in another subset of Presbyterian. Don't know all the details, but it's a big deal apparently.
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Causing a rift in 1st Pres Spartanburg
Mar 18, 2015, 9:37 AM
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old money blue blood has left....
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Oculus Spirit [81941]
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There's old money in Spartanburg?***
Mar 18, 2015, 9:42 AM
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10's of dollars***
Mar 18, 2015, 9:44 AM
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The Millikens on line 1***
Mar 18, 2015, 11:23 AM
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Oculus Spirit [86925]
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What he said
Mar 18, 2015, 10:06 AM
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Oculus Spirit [78876]
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Has he ever tried a man's anus?***
Mar 18, 2015, 10:44 AM
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I recently started going to a PCA church
Mar 18, 2015, 10:46 AM
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Probably wouldn't go to a PCUSA church because they've just about completely bought into liberal theology. This is just another step down that road, and I'm guessing more presbyteries will leave the denomination for more orthodox Presbyterian denominations because of this. Sort of ironically, the more orthodox Presbyterians leaving the PCUSA has turned out to mean that, since only the liberals/ heterodox are still left in PCUSA, they've become increasingly liberal.
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please cite more examples of liberal theology and how you
Mar 18, 2015, 10:59 AM
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tend to disagree with that. KTHXBAI
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I'm thinking about going, but I can't decide between
Mar 18, 2015, 10:55 AM
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Shiite Presbyterian or Sunni Presbyterian.
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It you are Sunni, you aint Shiite***
Mar 18, 2015, 10:59 AM
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I think this is where my problem lies with modern day
Mar 18, 2015, 11:11 AM
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christian theology. It's more and more about watering down the laws of the bible and more about forgiveness. I don't have an issue with homosexuality personally, if you want to be gay, be gay, that's great, but for churches to begin to accept a sin and say its religiously okay to do this is where I draw the line.
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Oculus Spirit [81941]
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I bet that was said about the old testament , too***
Mar 18, 2015, 11:13 AM
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I'm sure it was. Christianity, and other religions
Mar 18, 2015, 11:16 AM
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are hardly what they used to be.
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eye for an eye, nomsayin? #TheGoodOleDays***
Mar 18, 2015, 11:17 AM
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Oculus Spirit [81941]
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Hammurabi was a bad muther lover***
Mar 18, 2015, 11:21 AM
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Re: I think this is where my problem lies with modern day
Mar 18, 2015, 11:26 AM
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Someone more steeped in the liberal theology of mainline Protestantism might say that the problem is that Evangelical Christianity is too concerned with "the laws of the Bible" and not enough concerned with the redemptive core of Christ's message of love. They also might say that as we have progressed in history, we've come to clearly see that certain older beliefs and practices have been proved wrong by modern thinking (eg. not ordaining women, opposition to homosexual behavior, opposition to abortion, biblical inerrancy, etc.). This is why it's dangerous to hold to any creed (like the Westminster Confession of Faith, which has historically tied together all Reformed Christians).
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A creed can be dangerous.
Mar 18, 2015, 12:40 PM
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Re: A creed can be dangerous.
Mar 18, 2015, 1:06 PM
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Good for PCUSA!
Mar 18, 2015, 11:33 AM
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And good for the gheys!
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Oculus Spirit [94415]
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So, everybody's doing it.
Mar 18, 2015, 12:44 PM
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2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2 Timothy 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
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Who is they in this context?***
Mar 18, 2015, 12:50 PM
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All-TigerNet [14294]
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Also translated as people
Mar 18, 2015, 12:56 PM
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so people in general
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Oculus Spirit [94415]
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Only if gheys are Christian and wish to avoid preaching.
Mar 18, 2015, 4:11 PM
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It's more about avoiding preaching than anything else.
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Oculus Spirit [94415]
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Paul was instructing Timothy on how to conduct...
Mar 18, 2015, 4:09 PM
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his ministry by watching for those who would prefer teaching to preaching. They refers to Timothy's congregation and the congregations of believers to come.
The verses are most applicable today for most denominations are 'anything that brings in more people/money goes.'
Teaching is a gift of God with purpose but when it displaces preaching it leaves a church DOA.
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Re: So, everybody's doing it.
Mar 18, 2015, 1:04 PM
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Many learned Lutheran Theologians who have left the ELCA have used the "itching ears" quotes to show that the ELCA has adopted heresay. Sinners love turning away from the truth.
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Oculus Spirit [94415]
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Everybody is doing it.
Mar 18, 2015, 4:02 PM
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I mean every denomination is hiring teachers to fill their pulpits.
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I was raised a presby
Mar 18, 2015, 7:35 PM
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Methodist first, then moved to presby....not sure why .
I have no problem with it, kind of proud actually.
live and let live.
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