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It’s so fun watching all the “conspiracies”
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come true. All the hand wringing and the whitewashing of the past is hilarious.
Good job woke liberals.
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You post this on the same board that
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Conspiracy Tom posts Jan6=complete hoax. I wasn’t gonna say nuthin’, but y’all is crazy.
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Re: You post this on the same board that
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Mar 7, 2023, 1:56 PM
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Complete hoax is a bit over the top, but the left certainly portrayed it as more than it was.
Especially with the horn guy. They showed all sorts of footage with that guy being escorted around by two cops. He even said a prayer thanking them.
If you take that view with the other extreme of people saying that horn guy should have been shot - yes than I would say people were exposed to a hoax by the left.
Hoax = a malicious deception. That it was.
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I will politely disagree. Climbing up the walls of the
Mar 7, 2023, 2:17 PM
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building, breaking windows, doors, anything they could, trying to break into house chamber in session. That’s an insurrection. Had they gotten a hold of Pelosi or Pence they would be dead now. None of that is an exaggeration. All of it is an insurrection.
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Re: I will politely disagree. Climbing up the walls of the
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Mar 7, 2023, 3:19 PM
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He knows that cause he was there.
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Fresh batteries...***
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Re: I will politely disagree. Climbing up the walls of the
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building, breaking windows, doors, anything they could, trying to break into house chamber in session. That’s an insurrection. Had they gotten a hold of Pelosi or Pence they would be dead now. None of that is an exaggeration. All of it is an insurrection.
Tearing down privately owned businesses, retail stores, looting and burning buildings and never heard nothing but cricket chirps from the left. Yet your vice president wants to put Jan 6th up there with Pearl Harbor and the holocaust’! You are a funny man Mr Ray Charles!
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One of these things is not like the other. You
Mar 7, 2023, 6:31 PM
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whatabouted in the floor. You oughta clean that up.
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they never acknowledge it either. They have their fun callin
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you loons, kook, crazy, but when its true, they just ignore it
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What is that is true that anyone said was crazy?***
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Re: What is that is true that anyone said was crazy?***
Mar 7, 2023, 11:10 AM
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Start with the Covid lies then move to political lies. Plenty to choose from.
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masks dont work. covid created in a lab, natural>=vax
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Mar 7, 2023, 11:13 AM
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the numbers on covid deaths are exaggerated, the numbers on infected are inflated.
holy ####, i could go on and on.
y'all called everyone crazy and were killing people, got their jobs taken away, got them canceled......
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Re: masks dont work. covid created in a lab, natural>=vax
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Mar 7, 2023, 11:27 AM
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Thank you for the examples. I’ve just lost the energy to deal with those people.
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He proved my pt of ignoring the truth when
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It comes out
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Re: He proved my pt of ignoring the truth when
Mar 7, 2023, 12:32 PM
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Yep.
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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What did I ignore again?
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Mar 7, 2023, 1:36 PM
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I'm not sure about masks. The gov't waffled a lot in it to begin with as well.
And it seems for many (particularly the old and those immunocompromised) the vaccination is better than having to get sick to get some "natural immunity" that doesn't seem to exist either.
I don't think anyone has prove was made in a lab, but even at teh very beginning there were questions if it was released from a lab.
And "y'all" who? Who did I kill and/or get fired? Personally, I said from the beginning--get vaccinated or not; I don't care one way or the other.
You make a lot of sweeping generalizations.
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Re: What did I ignore again?
Mar 7, 2023, 2:09 PM
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Natural immunity doesn’t exist?? You just proved you are out of your area of expertise with that one uninformed statement.
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How many times do you need to get covid before one might
Mar 7, 2023, 2:13 PM
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that? I've known folks who have had it 3 or 4x. The last guy I knew who had it 4x said that last time was the worst one yet. Obviously..that's not working.
Do you want someone that is 75, or immunocompromised, to get Covid (and hopefully survive) to get some natural immunity that doesn't exist?
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Re: How many times do you need to get covid before one might
Mar 7, 2023, 2:23 PM
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I don’t want anyone to get Covid and anyone who wants the vaccine should take it. Natural immunity is a sound and reasonable medical choice for many including me. It does exist. It’s the way the human body works. That’s not some conspiracy it’s science!! It’s actually high school friggin biology science.
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So what are you arguing?***
Mar 7, 2023, 2:25 PM
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Re: So what are you arguing?***
Mar 7, 2023, 2:29 PM
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What do you mean what am I arguing? You said natural immunity does not exist. I say it’s basic science that it does. It’s the way the human body works.
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So I'll ask again...how many times does one need to get
Mar 7, 2023, 3:05 PM
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Covid before some type of immunity kicks in? Seeing as every strain has a new ability to infect someone, how is "natural immunity" working?
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Re: So I'll ask again...how many times does one need to get
Mar 7, 2023, 3:08 PM
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How many times do you have to take a shot before you get immunity? Can you be unvaccinated, get Covid and then get Covid again? Well sure. It’s not 100% but it’s better immunity in most cases than vaccinated immunity. My entire family had Covid 2.5 years ago. None of us are vaccinated and none of us has had a second infection. It’s working well for us and we take absolutely zero precautions.
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How is it "better immunity" if you continually get it
Mar 7, 2023, 3:25 PM
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and as with the person I know, had a worse infection the FOURTH time he got it?
You told me this was simple high school biology.
Is it, really?
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Re: How is it "better immunity" if you continually get it
Mar 7, 2023, 3:35 PM
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I just told you not a single member of my family has had a second infection. Most of the unvaccinated previously infected that I know have not had a second infection. Can you get it again? As I said, nothing is 10@%. Your friend that has had Covid 4 times has he also had the vaccine?
Ok, now , you asked how it’s high school biology. I’m about to explain it to you and remember I’m coming from a medical background. Here is a definition of “vaccine”. A vaccine is an artificial attempt to create an immune response to a pathogen SIMILAR to the way the human body would respond to the pathogen after having been exposed to the pathogen. In other words, through the vaccine your body is going to attempt an immune response similar to the way mine will ( natural immunity) when exposed to the Covid virus. You have artificial immunity , I have natural immunity. Hope that helps.
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No, it doesn;t help.
Mar 7, 2023, 4:01 PM
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You haven't explained how "natural immunity" to Covid, or any disease is somehow better. Immunity is immunity; how suffering through a sickness to get that is somehow better i fail to understand.
And no, The person that I know who has had Covid 4x is proudly not vaccinated, and keeps spouting something about being "pure blood". I haven't, and won't, attempt to explain that to him.
Personally, I've known more people who have been not been vaccinated and had covid multiple times than I know people who have been vaccinated and not had covid multiple times, but since this is all high school biology and your the medical expert, I'm certain everyone else who disagrees with you is wrong.
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Re: No, it doesn;t help.
Mar 7, 2023, 4:07 PM
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It boggles my mind how you’re not understanding. I gave you an explanation of what a vaccine attempts to do and you still don’t get it.
What your friend has experienced is not the norm. We know far more vaccinated people who have had multiple infections.
Now about getting Covid to acquire natural immunity. What makes you think someone wants to get Covid so they can have natural immunity??? What the crap are you talking about? We all got Covid before the vaccines were available. Since we already had Covid when the vaccines came out the decision to decline the vaccine was a no brainer for us. Please tell me that makes sense to you? If it doesn’t I just can’t help you.
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Re: No, it doesn;t help.
Mar 7, 2023, 4:10 PM
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I failed to respond to your last statement. Everyone who denies natural immunity as a reasonable choice is most definitely wrong. Clear enough??
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lol, you know what masks i was referring to.All those
Mar 7, 2023, 1:56 PM
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that we were required to wear and that magical 6 ft line too.
its soooo stupid, its ridiculous
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People staying 6ft from me will never be stupid or
Mar 7, 2023, 1:58 PM
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ridiculous.
Why does anyone I don't know need to be any closer than that?
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Let's see...
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1.) Masks do work, but some are MUCH more effective than others. (N95)
2.) covid created in a lab: 5 Government agencies still say it's naturally created, 2 agencies say it's lab created with one being your favorite the FBI and the other giving it a "low confidence" rating. I think the best choice here is we don't know where it was created.
3.) Natural immunization does offer protection as good or better than vaccinations but with the unknown risk of more severe reactions (death/hospitalization) upon receiving it. That's why vaccinations are better, they offer as good protection without worrying about the chances of death/hospitalization. (Unless you believe in conspiracies about the vaccine being dangerous which you didn't cite)
4.) I don't know the specifics of this conspiracy (are you saying over one million have not died due to Covid?) but based on the other ones you cited I'm going to assume you're additionally off base with this, too.
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Re: It’s so fun watching all the “conspiracies”
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Would anyone in this thread like to comment on the actual conspiracies that still plague MAGA, like the below from NJDev in the other thread? Y’all let me know when I can expect this one to be proven true. The stuff y’all are talking about calling “conspiracies” here are just political grievances and red/blue drama and squabbles. I just don’t see how anyone can deny the rise of conspiracies and the attachment to far right populist politics, Donald Trump in particular. Every time y’all talk about globalists and vaccine bioweapons, the crazies are given life.
“Oh how wrong you are.
Q is very real and has been dismantling the cabal piece by piece. It's there to see for those who don't have their head up their ###.
Again, it's not a USA thing, it's worldwide. The defeat of the Khazarian Mafia (aka cabal) is led by Trump, Putin, Xi, Modi, Bolsanaro, Bin Salman, and Orban.
Evil is losing it's grip on humanity”
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It’s fun to lump everyone in the same
Mar 7, 2023, 11:39 AM
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category.
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Re: It’s fun to lump everyone in the same
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So why conflate the issue? I just don’t for the life of me see why so many people can’t just tell the crazies to F off out of conservative politics. Populism and conspiracy garbage has nothing to do with what most people really want, which is to pay less in taxes and be left alone.
As things are though, right-leaning independents who are dying to vote for an adult just can’t stomach being a part of a party or politicians (Trump) that pay lip service to people who believe we’re in an apocalyptic fight against a Ukrainian Jewish Cabal that is producing vaccine bioweapons to depopulate the earth. The anti-establishment bent that Trump introduced and the MAGAs can’t let go of is just a watered-down more vanilla and palatable version of the same thing.
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Re: It’s fun to lump everyone in the same
Mar 7, 2023, 11:51 AM
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Why don’t the left tell the folks in ATL to eff off.
If the shoe fits….
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Re: It’s fun to lump everyone in the same
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Whatever Gen z liberal queers and left wing unemployed losers are doing has nothing to do with the above, unless it’s just a “well they did it too” excuse, which I don’t let my children get away with. My point I guess is that I wish there was a Republican party and media that held itself to a higher standard, but I suppose that’s a pipe dream now in the time of twitter, grievance politics, and populism.
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Re: It’s fun to lump everyone in the same
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I’ll tell you what I honestly want. I want a conservative adult candidate with a backbone made of steel and I want him doing such a great job that he’s like a good baseball umpire. He’s so good ,fair, and efficient that you don’t even think about him being there.
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Re: It’s fun to lump everyone in the same
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Same here
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Re: It’s fun to lump everyone in the same
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That's what most rational people want. It's not looking good right now based on this past CPAC. The crazies still appear to be dominant.
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It's because nobody trusts anything anymore, so you get
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wild theories and speculation. However, what I think is most important is they keep people occupied with this nonsense while the true nuts are going wild attempting to dismantle modern society. Banning ICE vehicles, nitrogen based fertilizers, pushing everyone to all electric everything while simultaneously trying to shut down tried and true energy sources...
It's really crazy to me that people hone in on the Q-anon stuff as the be-all and end-all of conspiracy theories while the climate change crazies are actively trying to de-industrialize western civilization.
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Re: It's because nobody trusts anything anymore, so you get
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I think there’s a distinction to be made there though. While yes, banning ICE engines is ridiculous, there is at least a nuanced conversation you can have about renewable energy and being a good steward of natural resources. There’s no subtlety in a debate about whether or not globalist Jewish cabals want to establish a satanic new world order.
The fact that nobody trusts anything anymore is a post-2016 phenomenon that I hope dies away as soon as possible. Alternative facts and disparate realities haven’t always been a thing. It’s being done deliberately, it’s torn the country apart, and it is impossibly saddening.
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Nobody is having that nuanced conversation though, at least
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not the people pushing through the policies, so at the end of the day it's much more destructive than a small group of people believing in a satanic new world order.
Why would it die? Nobody tells the truth, certainly not our leaders or media. People not trusting anything anymore is just a symptom, it's not the root cause of the problem. You can't lie to people constantly and just expect them to fall back in line and believe whatever the given narrative is at the time without question.
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Re: Nobody is having that nuanced conversation though, at least
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I guess I just don’t see it the same way. Conspiracies have been absorbed into mainstream right-wing politics, and it’s a bigger problem than just a small group. Believing that all journalists, all elected officials, all government agencies, all law enforcement, all election boards, all health agencies, all healthcare, all and every other institution you can think of are all lying to you is an idea spun up out of a distorted reality and fed daily with tidbits of one-sided and simplistic takes on complex questions. It’s also only about a half click away from believing in the New World Order. I don’t know, maybe I’m naive, or maybe I’m just not addicted to rage media and not on outrage social media.
Apocalyptic rhetoric is for simpletons, whether it’s coming from people saying the world will end if we don’t stop driving cars, or from people saying we’re in a fight against evil globalists and institutions.
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It’s closer to your earlier thinking. Plus, this little
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corner of the internet has become quite the repository for furious rage media addicts, spiracy nuts, and doomsday culturists. It’s not representative of reality to me. My neighbors and social circles are populated with far fewer extremists. Atleast I don’t think they’re all crazies who just happen to behave better when we’re together.
As for your timeframe, that seems pretty spot on. Here, I can really only think of a couple of pre-2016 nutbags that were regulars.
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Well yeah, 2016 was when the non stop anti-Trump
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lunacy began. While we focus on conspiracies in right wing politics, we curiously forget all about the constant barrage of Trump the fascist who was going to start WWIII and destroy our nation because he was a Russian agent "news". Some of you still haven't been able to mentally get past it.
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Re: Well yeah, 2016 was when the non stop anti-Trump
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Re: Well yeah, 2016 was when the non stop anti-Trump
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So he didn’t want to overturn the election and
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He wanted to be a dictator and he was the worst POTUS in the history of our nation…and it’s not even close. Would you have wanted him in office had he been successful in overturning the election?
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You’re foolish.***
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Re: You’re foolish.***
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Foolish, but not a fool! Just because you pretend it isn’t happening doesn’t mean it isn’t real.
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No, you’re definitely a fool.
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Especially if you think a Goldwater/Reagan conservative would consider Hillary or old Joe nazis. They’re just democrats. People like you aren’t even real conservatives, you devalue people and institutions in service to yourselves. That is distinctly anti-conservative.
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All-TigerNet [10134]
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Re: No, you’re definitely a fool.
Mar 7, 2023, 7:18 PM
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Especially if you think a Goldwater/Reagan conservative would consider Hillary or old Joe nazis. They’re just democrats. People like you aren’t even real conservatives, you devalue people and institutions in service to yourselves. That is distinctly anti-conservative.
It’s funny you think someone is a fool just because they don’t subscribe to your idea of a government that doesn’t have an agenda and they won’t by all means necessary see their agenda through. If you believe that isn’t happening you are the fool. Which I believe is to be the case!
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We’ll, enjoy your spiracies then. Eat some greens
Mar 7, 2023, 7:44 PM
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with’em, spiracies are bad for your digestion.
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Re: We’ll, enjoy your spiracies then. Eat some greens
Mar 7, 2023, 8:13 PM
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with’em, spiracies are bad for your digestion.
I hope you didn’t reproduce. There are already too many sheep we have to feed!
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I see you don’t possess the couth to not insult a man’s
Mar 7, 2023, 10:41 PM
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family. My two strapping young sons will always be finer gentlemen than you could ever hope to be. May you teach your offspring better.
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Letterman [257]
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What’s the “conspiracy” with the left-wing climate/energy push?
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The Qanon/election fraud claims are conspiracies. The left-wing green push is just idiots pushing bad policies, I don’t see a “conspiracy” there.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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That the world is going to end in x number of years
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Mar 7, 2023, 1:57 PM
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unless we take radical action and more or less destroy our current way of life. It's pretty out in the open.
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Lot o points [155972]
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Conspiracies attached to the far right,
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Mar 7, 2023, 2:24 PM
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Like Trump being a Putin plant who got peed on by Russian hookers, or literally saying Trump would put all gay people in concentration camps if he was elected, or the SUPER far right poster on this board who still believes Trump was laundering Russian mob money while in office. That type of right wing conspiracy.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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We also had the whole "police are targeting and killing
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Mar 7, 2023, 2:27 PM
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black people for no reason" conspiracy theory that resulted in nationwide riots and billions of dollars worth of damage. A conspiracy theory which is still causing problems as shown in Atlanta this week.
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Re: Conspiracies attached to the far right,
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Can we not “both sides” and whatabout a discussion, just once? Ok, yes, wild political conspiracies aren’t exclusive to one team. Now that I’m not picking on just one side, are we all feeling better now?
Now what?
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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I guess we'll continue to repeatedly comment and complain
Mar 7, 2023, 3:16 PM
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about conspiracy theories/theorists that have no real impact on our day to day life while totally ignoring the ones that do. That seems to be the trend anyway.
I'm sure we'll get another Marjorie Taylor Greene soundbite as the govt. tries to ban recreational boating for the sake of manatees or something else crazy. Or maybe the My Pillow guy will make some more statements to occupy everyone while the ATF randomly redefines what guns are legal.
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Lot o points [155972]
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Well, yeah, I wouldn't have replied if you had done that.
Mar 7, 2023, 3:53 PM
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But this whole "It all can be ascribed to one side!!!" is just as damaging as the BS conspiracies themselves, so it felt worth calling you out on it.
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Oculus Spirit [83130]
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"Come true." Give some specific examples.***
Mar 7, 2023, 12:11 PM
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Tucker confirmed it…they’re rolling.***
Mar 7, 2023, 2:00 PM
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