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If Cade had started instead of DJ
Sep 19, 2022, 1:30 PM
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And we had the exact same results in our games would we as a fanbase be excited, disappointed, or neutral? Trying to figure out where everyone stands. I'm more concerned about WR play than anything else.
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Why ?
Sep 19, 2022, 1:32 PM
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Are you in a pool or have a bet ?
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CU Guru [1580]
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Re: Why ?
Sep 19, 2022, 1:32 PM
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Re: If Cade had started instead of DJ
Sep 19, 2022, 1:37 PM
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for me.........WR was the main concern 12+months ago and it remains the #1 concern today.
#2 Oline - but that's been a "concern" the last 20+ years.......so it's a staple on the concerns list
#3 Playcalling - if LaTech can "scheme" their WRs open then we should be able to.......regardless of talent.
#4....see 1-3
#5....see 1-3
#6 defense - I still think there is too much talent to screw it up, but time will tell.
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Re: If Cade had started instead of DJ
Sep 19, 2022, 1:40 PM
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Defensive tackling has looked poor too. I’ll never understand with how exposed they’ve been over the years why they don’t get the defensive calls in sooner and have the corners continuously play close to 8 yards off the ball. There’s an all world D line in Clemson but they only get 1.5 seconds to get to the QB.
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Re: If Cade had started instead of DJ
Sep 19, 2022, 3:47 PM
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You don't understand because you aren't a coach....simple
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Re: If Cade had started instead of DJ
Sep 19, 2022, 1:38 PM
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I’m excited about DJ. He’s looked a lot better than last year and his timely runs and the cuts he’s making are great. Now if the O-line and WR would step up and play to there potential the entire O would be pretty scary.
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Orange Blooded [3163]
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Has Cade played in a game with all the 1's?
Sep 19, 2022, 1:38 PM
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Drew S has been one of his go-to WR's. It's difficult to compare apple to apples.
His TD at Gtech was nice. Furman, he was in late in the game. LaTech, same.
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Re: If Cade had started instead of DJ
Sep 19, 2022, 1:46 PM
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DJ is QB1 so playing what ifs is a waste of energy.
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Re: If Cade had started instead of DJ
Sep 19, 2022, 1:58 PM
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I had been expecting Cade to replace DJ by now, DJ has looked much better than expected and Cade has not been as sharp. DJ had his best game last week since 2020. He does a lot better running called plays to him than options. He made many exceptional throws. His level of play Saturday is good enough to take us far but it is definitely dependent on the line and WR groups contributions, both were very good against LA Tech. I liked a lot of what I saw on offense running and throwing but will have to wait to see if we can expect more of the same against more competitive opponents.
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Ponder this, if you will
Sep 19, 2022, 2:25 PM
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First off, DJ is in year 3, and looking "improved" over last year is virtually impossible not to do, especially against the likes of Furman and LaTech for crying out loud. Now lets take DJ and randomly insert him into games with the 2's and 3's. Let that soak into your brain for a second and try to imagine how hideous the results would be. Conversely, imagine if Cade was getting the reps with the 1's and actually able to be in the game for a reasonable length of time to get into a flow and comfort level. I think its pretty easy to come to the conclusion the offensive numbers would be better.
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Re: Ponder this, if you will
Sep 19, 2022, 3:24 PM
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Stupid is as stupid says.
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Astute retort, genius.***
Sep 19, 2022, 3:49 PM
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Re: If Cade had started instead of DJ
Sep 19, 2022, 2:04 PM
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I personally would be disappointed still.
Clemson should never be fielding an offense in the bottom half of the country, nor the #80 passing offense. And it's not good that any Clemson QB is hovering around #60 in the country in stats, especially when they're playing nearly all game against one of the weakest schedules in the country (#113 defense (GT), #122 defense (LT), and an FCS team).
That said, I would also recognize that we had a true freshman quarterback, and think those stats, while not good at all in today's game, should be a floor for our new QB, and that there was room for a lot of growth. I'd also be happy he's getting a lot of experience against horrible defenses, so that it would help him build comfort. So I'd be disappointed in the offense at the moment, but optimistic about the next 3 years.
But that's not the conversation we're having. We're not looking at a presumable floor for a true freshman. Instead, we're looking at the ceiling of a Junior. There's no way up from here in QB play. And our freshman QB is not getting any valuable experience against those teams.
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our WRs put a ceiling on our QB regardless of who it is.
Sep 19, 2022, 2:19 PM
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and since our WRs are "limited" then our coaches/OC/playcalling need to scheme them open.
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Why didn’t Nick Saban “scheme” his reserve WRs open when
Sep 19, 2022, 2:37 PM
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... when he lost to UGA last year? His NFL bound guys were hurt. Wasn’t that an excellent opportunity for a really great coach to demonstrate the art of “scheming” his receivers open so their Heisman QB could find them?
And once again, why didn’t Sabin “scheme” his receivers open against Texas earlier this year? He had that same Heisman QB depending on him!
Seems like that’s what a good coach would have done rather than lose the Natty and almost blow a game against an un-ranked opponent without their starting QB.
Help us all to understand more about this “scheming” tactic that all good coaches know about, but ours are clueless.
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Re: Why didn’t Nick Saban “scheme” his reserve WRs open when
Sep 19, 2022, 2:55 PM
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Are you really doing a strawman of why Kiffin couldn't do it for Alabama with their backups against the best defense in the last 25-30 years? We're talking about scheming for our 4 and 5 stars to get open against Furman and Louisiana Tech....
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Yes ... absolutely. According to some here ...
Sep 19, 2022, 3:20 PM
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... getting WRs open is simply a matter of “scheming” then open.
Great coaches do it, lesser coaches are incapable.
Forget the Georgia loss for a minute then ... since that’s a straw man.
You’ve still got the Heisman winner at QB and you’re facing an unranked Texas team struggling along with their back-up QB.
In this situation, you “”scheme” your guys open continuously and score at will rather than struggle to a one-point win.
Right?
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Re: our WRs put a ceiling on our QB regardless of who it is.
Sep 19, 2022, 2:43 PM
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I don't disagree with that at all. I've been hard on DJ, but I've tried to make it clear I think he'd be extremely successful at a different program with a different scheme. He has all the tools he needs to succeed. But we've put him in a bad position to do so, with a terrible passing scheme (and a terrible scheme for our offensive line) and wide receivers that don't really complement his playstyle. DJ would be extremely successful as a pocket passer throwing to very fast receivers. He has incredible arm strength, but lacks some touch on his passes and is okay on accuracy (he's not a Drew Brees style QB, but more of a Favre/Big Ben). If we had speedsters who could stretch the field, he could get the ball to them and allow them to adjust to it if it was slightly off in accuracy. Instead, we've got some possession guys who require an extremely accurate QB with great touch, who can give them a chance to win 50/50 balls.
So I agree that our WRs, line, and coaches put a ceiling on DJ here. I do think some of those limit Cade too. But it doesn't change my base thought that the numbers currently being put up (which are right at average in the country) would be disappointing but reason for hope for a true freshman, and just disappointing for a junior.
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Re: If Cade had started instead of DJ
Sep 19, 2022, 3:50 PM
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TFREADY It's amazing that you can know all this stuff. I wonder why Dabo hasn't hired you to be an offensive and defensive analyst, you so smart!
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Re: If Cade had started instead of DJ
Sep 19, 2022, 2:11 PM
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If a guy in his first 3 college games is as good as someone graduating in Dec., I'd be pleased.
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Re: If Cade had started instead of DJ
Sep 19, 2022, 2:32 PM
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I would be pretty happy if Cade had put up DJs stats this season so far. DJ won't be taking us to the playoffs on his back or anything, but he has been serviceable which is a big improvement from last season. If a true frosh came in and played that well right away I'd be very optimistic that they could still get a lot better this season. Not as sure DJ will make the leap required, but you never know.
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I think we know
Sep 19, 2022, 2:36 PM
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We have played the cupcake scrimmages on our schedule and are still one of the least impressive offenses in the country. Does anyone think thats going to drastically improve playing better competition the rest of the way?
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Re: If Cade had started instead of DJ
Sep 19, 2022, 2:40 PM
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Neutral. In general, I don't feel it is my place to be disappointed with any player, as I am not a coach or player putting in the work. The exception would be if there was a clear lack of effort.
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Re: If Cade had started instead of DJ
Sep 19, 2022, 2:40 PM
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Excited. He's more funner to watch and seeing him succeed would bode well for the next couple of years.
I'll get TD'd for the next observation but whatever:
To your point about WR's, Cade's ability to extend plays might lead to better WR play ...
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Orange Blooded [2897]
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A direct answer:
Sep 19, 2022, 2:43 PM
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Yes. I would be excited. Cade/DJ would be flashing greatness, running well and with a little better blocking and WR making plays, we're on the move!
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Re: If Cade had started instead of DJ
Sep 19, 2022, 2:48 PM
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I would be really worried for our backup if Cade got hurt.
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we would have lost the game***
Sep 19, 2022, 2:56 PM
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Based on 2 possessions with the 2nd string? LOL good grief.***
Sep 19, 2022, 3:03 PM
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Re: If Cade had started instead of DJ
Sep 19, 2022, 3:38 PM
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I'll take the bait. I support Cade as the intermediate/long term solution for the Tigers, but respect DJ for his dedication, leadership and improved pass accuracy which Tiger fans have seen this year.
1. Dabo has weighed all the angles. It's in his best interests and the team's best interests to play DJ at this time. When it's not, Dabo will make a change.
2. DJ deserves the job right now because Cade is not ready. He's still learning the playbook, the personalities & habits of coaches & teammates, and the lay of the land.
3. DJ's passing accuracy has improved in 2022. He's more confident and more comfortable, and it shows. Now the but. DJ has a cap. He's is slow as a runner, slow to process, and slow to evade the rush. This cap limits the team's ceiling on Offense. It shows when poor teams can stack the line, and Clemson's offense and QBR's are not in the top 60 in terms of yards per game and yards per play. Better teams and blitzes are ahead.
4. Games to date have shown little due to the level of competition Clemson has faced. No complaints. Starting against UGA, Bama, and 5-6 other teams would have resulted in a beat-up one-loss team. (e.g. see 2021). Much better to build the team's skill sets & game plans to be prepared for better competition. We will learn about this team over the next 12 days and two games.
5. Limiting the scope to just this season, Cade is a wild card. Due to his mobility, he offers something DJ does not. But can Cade take over a team if they are loyal to DJ for better or worse? DJ will make some freshman mistakes, and Dabo is extremely conservative & cautious until the team's back is against the wall.
6. We saw Cade out-perform every high school QB in the country and win all his games and the Elite 11 competition. We also saw him defeat Quinn Ewers in the Texas state championship. And Ewers looked very skilled and on his way to taking Bama down, starting for Texas, before he was injured in Game 1. Cade is treated like some unprepared not-ready-for-primetime scrub by many Tnet posters. I do not believe that's the case.
7. IMHO we will see more of Cade only if DJ is hurt or fails to perform (INT's, fumbles, sacks, losses) against higher level teams. Whether it's one or two series with the 1st, 2nd or 3rd team Offense, it does not ready Cade if he has to replace DJ. But that's the norm for most teams. It's a fine line. Dabo will manage it.
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DJ looks fine to me
Sep 19, 2022, 3:59 PM
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more accurate, more elusive, etc.
Defense giving up too many "chunk" plays. That needs to improve if we're gonna curb stomp the Dawgs in Jan.
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I don’t care who’s throwing the ball.***
Sep 19, 2022, 4:01 PM
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