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Would undefeated Clemson have been left out
Dec 4, 2023, 10:24 AM
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Of the playoff this year?
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Re: Would undefeated Clemson have been left out
Dec 4, 2023, 10:25 AM
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I wouldn't think so. Assuming Cade stayed healthy, we would be entering post-season with the same team that got us the undefeated record and would not be left out.
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Re: Would undefeated Clemson have been left out
Dec 4, 2023, 10:27 AM
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What if Cade got injured? I wouldn’t say he had anywhere close to the kind of season Jordan Travis did
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Re: Would undefeated Clemson have been left out
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Dec 4, 2023, 10:38 AM
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I think the Paw would carry more weight than the Chief. Clemson is a proven winner in the playoff. FSU is not. Clemson is the only ACC team to make a playoff other than the first year when FSU went undefeated and got whacked by Oregon.
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Re: Would undefeated Clemson have been left out
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Dec 4, 2023, 3:03 PM
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You're crazy if you think they wouldn't do the same thing to Clemson. Let's not pretend that FSU isn't a huge brand in college football.
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yes***
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Dec 4, 2023, 10:25 AM
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Re: Would undefeated Clemson have been left out
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Dec 4, 2023, 10:26 AM
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I honestly believe we would have
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Re: Would undefeated Clemson have been left out
Dec 4, 2023, 10:27 AM
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Anyone saying we wouldn't have while also buying into the QB argument used against FSU is not arguing in good faith
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Kind of hard to imagine
Dec 4, 2023, 10:28 AM
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But I’d have to guess so
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IMO...no.
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Dec 4, 2023, 10:28 AM
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IMO...no.
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Re: Would undefeated Clemson have been left out
Dec 4, 2023, 10:28 AM
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Yes because they were not leaving the SEC completely out. Bottom line
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Re: Would undefeated Clemson have been left out
Dec 4, 2023, 10:28 AM
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We would have been left out before no SEC teams were in the CFP ...... I guarantee!
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Re: Would undefeated Clemson have been left out
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Dec 4, 2023, 10:28 AM
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If it were between us and the SEC getting left out, I think you already know the answer.
They would have just pointed out poor offensive performance or something like that
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Re: Would undefeated Clemson have been left out
Dec 4, 2023, 10:29 AM
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Yep. They would have used their intentionally ambiguous criteria to justify them not letting us in
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Re: Would undefeated Clemson have been left out
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Dec 4, 2023, 10:29 AM
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Yes, because they would put a sec team in.
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Under the same circumstances, yes***
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Dec 4, 2023, 10:29 AM
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Yes. If it came down to us or an SEC team getting left out absolutely
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Dec 4, 2023, 10:29 AM
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we would have.
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Re: Would undefeated Clemson have been left out
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Dec 4, 2023, 10:34 AM
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No because we would have beaten FSU twice and the ACC championship would have been a top 10 matchup.
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Re: Would undefeated Clemson have been left out
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Dec 4, 2023, 10:40 AM
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I’d say no. History shows Clemson is a playoff contending team each year we’ve been in it (maybe sans the OSU COVID game). The Paw carry’s more weight in that committee room than the Chief, and it’s because we’ve proven we can win.
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Re: Would undefeated Clemson have been left out
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Dec 4, 2023, 10:41 AM
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So fast it would make your head spin.
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Re: Would undefeated Clemson have been left out
Dec 4, 2023, 12:02 PM
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A lot would have depended who the opponent was in the ACC Championship game. Louisville did more to hurt FSU chances by loosing to KY.
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Not if starting QB healthy.
Dec 4, 2023, 1:05 PM
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But possible, anything is.
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If our starting QB was out, we would have suffered the same fate as FSU.
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Dec 4, 2023, 1:06 PM
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Probably even moreso, because the SEC knows IN ADVANCE that Clemson could spoil their party, we've done it twice before!
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Re: Would undefeated Clemson have been left out
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Dec 4, 2023, 1:16 PM
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We would have been left out with Cade not hurt. They were never going to leave the SEC out of the playoff. Idc if Travis never got hurt FSU would still be out. They would have said strength of schedule got FSU booted out. And it wasn’t just Alabama that jumped FSU, it was Texas also. Can’t put Bama in and leave Texas out.
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Re: Would undefeated Clemson have been left out
Dec 4, 2023, 1:17 PM
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Of course we would have been left out. They didn't want there the times we were in it! All you ever heard was how good the other 3 teams were and how Clemson got in because of their easy schedule. Never really heard that about any other program.
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Re: Would undefeated Clemson have been left out
Dec 4, 2023, 1:34 PM
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How about, would a #8 Clemson team that beat a crappy Auburn team, on a last second miracle, have remained #8?
I would ABSOLUTELY change the way Clemson plays teams. It would be straight up no mercy, EVER. If we’re up by 6 TD’s, I’m looking to make it 8.
According to the experts, Buster Douglass can’t beat Mike Tyson and neither can Evander Holyfield. Clemson can’t beat the best Alabama team in history. Boise State can’t beat the Bucknuts. And on and on and on. No matter how many times the EXPERTS are wrong, the EXPERTS can still NEVER BE WRONG.
It is 10,000 trainloads of manure.
Wins don’t matter. The only way to know, is to ask the experts. They’re like Royals in Europe, they have special blood.
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Apparently, if our so called best player broke his leg, then YES.***
Dec 4, 2023, 1:35 PM
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Re: Apparently, if our so called best player broke his leg, then YES.***
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Dec 4, 2023, 1:38 PM
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That is THIS YEAR’S excuse. Next year’s excuse will be different.
Might as well try nailing jello to the wall.
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Re: Would undefeated Clemson have been left out
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Dec 4, 2023, 1:50 PM
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Um, yeah...if we had a SOS of 55 and lost a unicorn quarterback to injury, and looked sorry in the ACC championship against a 3-loss team. Next Q.
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Re: Would undefeated Clemson have been left out
Dec 4, 2023, 1:52 PM
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^^^^^^^^^ EXPERT^^^^^^^^
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Re: Would undefeated Clemson have been left out
Dec 4, 2023, 1:51 PM
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They have been trying to keep us out as much as possible.
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If we lost our best player and our offense looked like #### without him, YES!***
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Dec 4, 2023, 1:52 PM
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Re: If we lost our best player and our offense looked like #### without him, YES!***
Dec 4, 2023, 1:55 PM
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And just to be clear , you would defend the committees actions leaving Clemson out correct?
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Under the same conditions...yes...of course I would***
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Dec 4, 2023, 6:24 PM
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Re: Would undefeated Clemson have been left out
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Dec 4, 2023, 1:57 PM
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No, they wouldn't have been left out. And FSU would have 100% been in if Travis would not have been hurt and/or the backup QB(s) came in and gave some confidence they could have a competitive offense. Mickey shared some stats this morning I had not heard. In FSU's last 2 games their completion rate was the lowest of all football teams. Like 45% which is less than Rutgers which is 48 or 49%. And the yards per play is also the lowest of all the FCS teams.
Travis getting hurt and the QB2 getting a concussion was just a string of bad luck unfortunately. And the fact there was such a skill level difference for their backup QBs.
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Re: Would undefeated Clemson have been left out
Dec 4, 2023, 1:59 PM
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In 2018, Clemson had a Senior QB that led the Tigers to the CFP in 2017. He was undefeated and then replaced by a Freshman QB. The Tigers were not left out of the CFP. The difference in 2018, Bama was undefeated and a lock for the CFP. This year the SEC was not a lock.
If the SEC and CFP had known how good TL16 was, they would have used the replacement player clause in 2018.
Go Tigers, 44-16!
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That's the difference?...
Dec 4, 2023, 2:22 PM
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Not the Qb1 losing the starting job very early in the season rather than by injury at the tail end.
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Re: That's the difference?...
Dec 4, 2023, 3:44 PM
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So if Travis had broken his leg against Clemson in week 4, then FSU had run the table with QB2 and QB3, they would be in with Bama ranked #8 and UGA having lost?
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Re: Would undefeated Clemson have been left out
Dec 4, 2023, 2:17 PM
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Legit question after this travesty. It has a lot to do with the "perception" of the ACC. It's really that simple.
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This year? Yes.***
Dec 4, 2023, 2:18 PM
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With a 3rd string QB likely to start ? Yes.***
Dec 4, 2023, 2:20 PM
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Re: Would undefeated Clemson have been left out
Dec 4, 2023, 7:05 PM
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Of course we would. Those five athletic directors pinky swore. (Watch this week's SEC shorts if you haven't yet.)
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