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TNET: WATCH: David Hood on Clemson and the ACC's dueling lawsuits, what's next
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Re: TNET: WATCH: David Hood on Clemson and the ACC's dueling lawsuits, what's next
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Mar 21, 2024, 11:03 AM
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Thanks David... please keep us updated as you learn anything. Have fun in Memphis, and Go Tigers!!!
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Re: TNET: WATCH: David Hood on Clemson and the ACC's dueling lawsuits, what's next
Mar 21, 2024, 4:05 PM
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When push comes to shove, I really don't think that the SEC would want the Big taking up homes this far south, and that the SEC would take Clemson, FSU, Miami, Florida, that is just my opinion of the SEC allowing the Big to get there hooks set this far south...
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Re: TNET: WATCH: David Hood on Clemson and the ACC's dueling lawsuits, what's next
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Mar 21, 2024, 11:28 AM
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The ACC is just a weak sister football conference.
Period.
It was foolish to sign this insane Grant of Rights.
Now the fools want out…
Good luck!
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Shut up coot. Good luck with 4 wins.***
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Mar 21, 2024, 12:17 PM
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Yup. Been making that $EC money since 1992.
Mar 21, 2024, 5:46 PM
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Re: Yup. Been making that $EC money since 1992.
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Mar 22, 2024, 10:25 AM
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It hs gained them nothing meaningful, at all. How fitting for them always to be insignificant
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Re: TNET: WATCH: David Hood on Clemson and the ACC's dueling lawsuits, what's next
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Mar 21, 2024, 11:30 AM
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Change your hat prior to arriving in 'M'emphis.
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START A NEW CONFERENCE - ECC
Mar 21, 2024, 11:43 AM
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East Coast Conference.
Keep same schools and renegotiate with ESPN or another network to get of payout equal to or greater than the BIG or SEC. Put that in the contract.
Why not?!?!?
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Huh? Same schools??
Mar 21, 2024, 2:45 PM
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Why the heck would espn give more money? The league sucks. Thats the whole problem. Maybe pair it down to only the schools that actually try to play football and you could do a LITTLE better. Still wouldnt be enough.
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Re: Huh? Same schools??***
Mar 21, 2024, 4:37 PM
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Re: TNET: WATCH: David Hood on Clemson and the ACC's dueling lawsuits, what's next
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Mar 21, 2024, 1:10 PM
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I don't think anyone officially connected with the SEC/BIG is going to ever tell any sportscaster/writer that any team has been invited to join the conference.
I also think Boo at UNC, IS A SNAKE AND ACC ### KISSER. He is so involved with the CFP that he is never going to support FSU/Clemson, esp. after he led the lynching of FSU at the behest of Sankey and ESPN. ALL, REPEAT, ALL of the ACC ### kissers and free riding members of the ACC who have never contributed anything to FB and have no where to go, are going to support their cash cow.
Right now, and as usual, FSU/CLEMSON have no friends in the ACC. WE have never had any. So nothing new for us. We have carried that weak ### conference for decades. And we WILL be out by end of 2025 season or before. And the ACC will settle. All the posturing by the ACC paid ### kissers about how THE ACC WILL NEVER SETTLE WITH FSU/CLEMSON is just ACC PR. At this point, they can not publicly say differently.
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I greatly appreciate his comments.
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Mar 21, 2024, 1:31 PM
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And, told him so on the youtube page.
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Re: David Hood lawsuits- Anyone Know Why its not Racketeering?
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Mar 21, 2024, 1:39 PM
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While I have stayed at my share of Holiday Inn Expresses...I am not a lawyer, but not a complete stranger to contract law. That said, having read a little bit on Racketeering / RICO law, anyone (such as a real lawyer) know why neither FSU nor Clemson (or various other interested parties) have raised the issue (of Racketeering) by the ACC administration and the "have not" schools?
Given: the 2023 ACC Expansion vote - where the little have not schools were able to join together to form the majority - and expand to include SMU, Stanford and Cal-Bezerkly. And by doing so potentially:
1. Further diluted ACC member school's revenue potential with more uncompetitive teams that do not help the arguments for why B10 and SEC are paid even more by ESPN, and greater say on the CFP matters, etc. (e.g. further harming the money-making ACC schools)
2. Diluting the voting power of those schools who want to leave (the number of votes to reach a majority just increased!) So, it becomes even more difficult to leave the league of idiots and uncompetitive teams.
Additionally, the ACC's position and response is pretty coercive - (suing schools/member who dare to complain, question legality / scope of a secretive contract that apparently no school can get a complete copy, and the extremely punitive measures to theoretically exit). "Efforts to conceal the criminal nature of these activities may also constitute criminal offenses."
And for good measure: Why didn't Swofford recuse himself from the ACC/ESPN/Raycom deal understanding his son or son in-law was a Raycom exec (according to published Tomahawk Nation reports).
All seem to reasonably fit the definition for racketeering and include offenses related to public corruption. See Justia legal dictionary: "Racketeering and RICO Violations Under the Law"
Thoughts?
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Re: David Hood lawsuits- Anyone Know Why its not Racketeering?
Mar 21, 2024, 1:11 PM
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Any criminal activity discovered in the discovery stage can later be criminally prosecuted. So, the ACC knows that and that is just one of the reasons they will settle the law suit.
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Re: David Hood lawsuits- Anyone Know Why its not Racketeering?
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There’s some problems with your arguments as a former pre law student who switched to a psychology degree at the last minute. The ACC is a board of trustees led institution and not a participating member led institution. They aren’t required to hold a member vote an all issues. They can pass, change, and enforce bylaws without a member institution vote. Unless there are statutes stating differently. Also in order to be filed under the RICO Act, there has to be ongoing criminal wrong doing. The ACC doesn’t meet that criteria.
The biggest problem we’re facing is the fact this is a media rights issue. We sold our media rights and getting them back almost never happens. We have to prove it was an unconscionable agreement or that we were coerced into signing an unfair deal. Which is kinda the definition of unconscionable agreement. Think George Lucas V Hasbro toys. He sold his rights cheap. Star Wars blew up and he sued for his rights back. He lost in court and every appeal. We’re kinda against the same thing. We also have a small chance in winning relief which would negate the contract. ESPN and the ACC said if we didn’t sign there would be no ACC Network and no exclusive media rights deal. It could also be argued that the deal was far below market value. Although, all member institutions signed the deal.
I really hope that this brings everyone back to the table to renegotiate this terrible deal for everyone except ESPN.
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Re: TNET: WATCH: David Hood on Clemson and the ACC's dueling lawsuits, what's next
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Mar 21, 2024, 2:25 PM
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David you are a steady rock and our shining star of info that can be trusted. I don't doubt your integrity. But I must say i dont buy the story of "just kicking the tires." From the moment of considering the possibility of moving to a new conference to the moment to filing a lawsuit is a long road full of caution and calculation. Point being, this lawsuit is evidence that the process is quite far along and was begun many months ago at least. The stakes are too high to believe this is merely a little jab to test the waters. In other words Clemson has revealed its intentions. There's no going back.
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Absolutely agree.***
Mar 21, 2024, 8:03 PM
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Re: TNET: WATCH: David Hood on Clemson and the ACC's dueling lawsuits, what's next
Mar 21, 2024, 2:56 PM
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My question is this: How is the GOR so dadgum ironclad for schools that want to leave but the door swings wide ### open for the sisters of the poor from out west to join? And don’t give me that the conference voted for it stuff either. Only the schools that will be left behind with no revenue after FSU, Clemson and UNC leave voted for it. These interests are no longer aligned and you shouldn’t be able to force a marriage that one party wants no part of. That’s a deal breaker.
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Man, I hope we join the SEC & not the Big 10.
Mar 21, 2024, 8:01 PM
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I want matchups with LSU, Bama, the Dawgs, Auburn, Florida, Texas, OU, and Tennessee!
Those would be exciting to see and be apart of!
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The only chance for relief is if the court rules
Mar 22, 2024, 9:54 AM
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that the contract was an unconscionable agreement benefitting one side more than the other. The Grant of Rights is a selling of media rights for a given amount of time (through 2036). The biggest obstacle we face is the number of member institutions who signed the contract and the relative few who have complained or filed complaints. Here’s an example of product rights that is very similar. 1977 George Lucas sells the Star Wars franchise toy right ms to Hasbro for around a million dollars. Hasbro nets half a billion in sells incredibly fast. Lucas wants his rights back. In Lucas V Hasbro the judge ruled in favor of Hasbro and in his judgement stated its buyer and seller beware. We’re kinda stuck in the same boat. We signed the contract along with all other member institutions.
We may have an opportunity in that the media rights selling price is far below market value. We were kind of forced into signing under threat we’d have no ACC Network if we didn’t. This could be viewed as coercion and might fit the unconscionable agreement ruling.
I must also state that I am not a lawyer nor do i play one on television. I did spend two years as a pre-law major however, my knowledge of todays laws are limited.
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