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Have laid pretty low during hoops this year
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Feb 3, 2024, 7:39 PM
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Huge basketball fan, always have been. Never been a Brad hater, but have been on the precipice of the program needing a change for many years. I felt this was finally the make or break year for him heading into it, and to his credit, he assembled I believe his most talented roster. So what's happened since ACC play began, after the most successful preseason in many years?
Well, in conference play, where your opponents all know you inside out, weaknesses are exposed. Our lack of a true PG, accentuated by Chase Hunter's regression this year. Chase is a combo guard by nature. I wondered when we inked Girard how that would alter his game, and he has not adapted well to having another guy at guard who is a natural scorer. As a result, with ACC teams knowing our tendencies so well, the offense lacks flow.
We knew Girard could shoot, but also knew he'd never played man defense in his life. In his day he's small as a 2 guard as well. If he's not scoring, he's a liability. And without a natural facilitator at PG, his open looks have been limited the last month.
PJ is a very good player, but he's never been a very good rebounder. Physical guys give him issues in the paint, like today. They get him off his spots. He's put up numbers, but failed to make winning plays in ACC play when needed.
Shieffelin brings needed toughness, as does Godfrey, though Godfrey has seen his time diminished for some reason. Wiggins has seen his time go down as well, though he and RJ were big parts of the early season success. Not sure the reason for this.
Clark is a role player who has now taken those minutes. He's rusty still. I'm sure promises were made to him when recruited, but still, you had a mix that was working.
Beadle gets time because Girard isn't adept enough to guard man to man. But his offensive limitations at this stage of his career allow teams to focus attention elsewhere. Sadly, D. Hunter shows no signs of being an ACC caliber player, at least to me.
Right now, we're a discombobulated mess. Round pegs in square holes. In my humble opinion, Brad has a month to fix it. We'll see, I'll reserve judgment until the end of the year. The schedule isn't easy. I believe some tough decisions need to be made regarding PT at some spots, including game situations.
This team has talent, but right now, it's looking like ill fitted talent. It's the coaches job to gel it together
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Re: Have laid pretty low during hoops this year
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Feb 3, 2024, 7:46 PM
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I respect your analysis but I don't how you fix can't shoot jumpers. Then there won't defend and stupid turnovers / lazy passes, wont block out and rebound. Fix by benching but doesnt help production with who you play instead. I think we may be the slowest reacting and worst team I've seen when the ball is bouncing free. We seem to never get to it. If we've gotten 20% of these id be surprised. Really lousy guarding and preventing the 3 pointer.
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Re: Have laid pretty low during hoops this year
Feb 4, 2024, 11:25 AM
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Loose ball recovery was a big problem yesterday. We may have gotten one, but I don't remember it.
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Re: Have laid pretty low during hoops this year
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Feb 3, 2024, 7:50 PM
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You can mansplain it all you want, but the bottom line is Brad needs to go. Many of us have known that for 10+ years, nothings ever going to change it’s just Groundhog Day. I’d rather risk going to the bottom of the conference for one chance to maybe hire a guy that’ll lead us to an ACC championship
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Re: Have laid pretty low during hoops this year
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Feb 3, 2024, 7:51 PM
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Thinking we can do better than Brad isn't HATE, it's just reality.
Don't let the cultists frame the discussion. People who don't know how to think call anything they don't like"hate."
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Never said it was
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Feb 4, 2024, 8:41 AM
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I was on the fence in 2015, and 2016 saved him. Since then 1 tourney appearance. Brad could save his job again this year, but doesn't look likely right now
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Re: Have laid pretty low during hoops this year
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Feb 3, 2024, 7:52 PM
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Wow, well put. I did not think of these but what you said makes great sense. Girad has offense but no defense. Beadle is good for defense but struggles with offense. Where has Godfrey and Wiggins been? It is up to the coach to find the right combo especially at the end of close games. You are a lot more patient than me as continuing to give Brad until the year end to make a final judgement when we have seen this same movie before is something I can’t do. Have you not heard about if you keep doing the same thing you get the same result? Thanks for your well thought out explanation.
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Re: Have laid pretty low during hoops this year
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Feb 3, 2024, 8:04 PM
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I appreciate the analysis. The only thing I disagree with is the notion that Brownell's future should be decided by how well he does in the next month. We have 14 years of data. The next month - whether things improve, decline, or stay the same - isn't going to fundamentally change our head coaching situation. It's beyond time to try someone else.
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Re: Have laid pretty low during hoops this year
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Feb 3, 2024, 8:07 PM
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Too bad the Clemson administration did not realize that after the Oakland Michigan debacle.
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Re: Have laid pretty low during hoops this year
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Feb 3, 2024, 8:15 PM
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Our adm either don’t care or they are inept and need to be fired themselves
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Re: Have laid pretty low during hoops this year
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Feb 3, 2024, 8:49 PM
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Decent take. Still a lot of games to be played.
If we dont make the tournament, brownell is out.
Unfortunately the margin for victory is slim, and the fact that chase hunter and pj hall habe regressed significantly from the 3 point line has killed us. We are just a few 3's from having a much better record. We are right there, just need to shoot better.
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One more made shot against Duke, GT, and UVA
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Feb 3, 2024, 9:11 PM
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and we would be 17-4 overall, and 7-3 in the ACC.
People would feel much differently and wouldn’t be nearly as down on the team. But since we’ve lost, they make dramatic statements like “we are awful” and “Brownell is clueless.”
Don’t get me wrong, we need to win more, and there are plenty of things we can do better. But as you said, we have been right there and the margin for error is razor thin.
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If ands and buts were candy and nuts.....***
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Feb 3, 2024, 9:23 PM
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Re: One more made shot against Duke, GT, and UVA
Feb 4, 2024, 11:20 AM
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We won several games where the other team were close but couldn't make shots at the end.
If they had, we would have lost those games as well.
If you are going to give us one more basket in 3 games, you have to give the opponent one more basket in those 5 games and our record is worse...
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Re: One more made shot against Duke, GT, and UVA
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Feb 4, 2024, 11:30 AM
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In all of those cases, it should have never come down to needing one more basket at the end of the game, although that is not exactly what you said. Losing to GT with a 9 point lead with 1:43 to go should not have to have been decided at the end of the game. I have hoped Brad would do well as I like him a lot, but I think even he knows what he has done to this point is not acceptable. How have we managed to get worse over the last 6 weeks?
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Re: Have laid pretty low during hoops this year
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Feb 4, 2024, 12:58 AM
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Generally speaking, having more points is what usually wins the game. Too bad Brownell hasn't figured that out
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Re: Have laid pretty low during hoops this year
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Feb 3, 2024, 8:58 PM
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Appreciate your assessment. Win or lose, a coach has to be the driving force. It’s not working and it hasn’t been for some time. We are mediocre and it starts at the top. Past time for a change.
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This roster should be playing better
Feb 4, 2024, 8:44 AM
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and yes, the buck stops with Brad
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Re: Have laid pretty low during hoops this year
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Feb 3, 2024, 9:05 PM
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What opposing know better than anything is Brad.
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Chase has done an admirable job becoming our point guard
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Feb 3, 2024, 9:08 PM
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but I agree that he still looks unnatural at times in that role.
PJ isn’t the player we thought he was - and who we need him to be. He has had some amazing games, but his outside shot is hurting us. He’s also not finishing plays inside like he needs to.
I think Schieffelin needs to be more involved on offense. He is a reliable shooter out to 20 feet. I know he is known as the guy who does the dirty work, but he needs more opportunities to score.
I am glad to have Clark back, he was a starter for a reason, but Wiggins gives us more on offense and we need that right now. We need someone to hit some outside shots. I believe Wiggins can be that guy.
Girard needs more sets to get him open. He forces a lot of shots because he rarely finds himself open. There has to be a way to get him more open looks. If not, then he needs to be on the bench more because he is a liability on defense.
Not having Hemenway healthy hurts.
I feel for this team. They play hard. They’ve battled through adversity. They have been on the wrong side of some crazy plays. As I mentioned in another thread, we could easily be 7-3 in conference if three plays had gone differently, so it’s not like we are far off. We just need to fix a few things and get some breaks to start going our way. I still believe that we are a good team.
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Re: Chase has done an admirable job becoming our point guard
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Feb 3, 2024, 9:20 PM
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Can’t begin to tell you how disappointed I am. I was convinced we would be a 4 or 5 seed in the tournament. Now, chances are we won’t make it.
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Re: Chase has done an admirable job becoming our point guard
Feb 15, 2024, 8:12 PM
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Scream scream scream the sky is falling the sky is falling LMAO
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Re: Chase has done an admirable job becoming our point guard
Feb 4, 2024, 11:53 AM
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I don't disagree with what you say except maybe that part about Hall.
Hall should not be part of our outside offense. It should not matter whether he is shooting well from 3 or not because he should not be there in the first place. From a philosophy standpoint the only time PJ should be outside is when the opposing team has a monster big man that needs to be moved from under the basket. And even then it should be only enough shot takes to open the penetration of our guards. They don't have to be threes either. Those drives open up the kick out to Girard for open threes.
We did that in the first part of the season and we have shied away from it in ACC play.
Beadle actually made some of those penetration shots and kick outs against Duke. Hunter does not finish strong rarely makes a penetration shot that is contested by the defense. He is caught between good enough athleticism to try and not enough strength in his athleticism to finish.
These structures and sets for the offense comes from coaching. There is a lot left on the table for this team from that side of things. It is a Brownell historical legacy.
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Re: Have laid pretty low during hoops this year
Feb 3, 2024, 9:20 PM
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Striperfan hit the nail directly with the hammer. Very good summary of the dysfunction. Early in the season Girard took the scoring load as Chase deferred to him and it kind of worked sort of. However, you you could see it wasn’t great chemistry. Now Girard is mostly become a non factor on offense and such a liability on defense Chase had to reassert as the PG. Girard would be best playing the role of Hemenway for the extra shooter if/when they can go with 3 guards but his size is detriment. Beadle should get more of his minutes. I hate for Joe’s career to finish this way but his ability just doesn’t fit the system and team suffers because of it.
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Re: Have laid pretty low during hoops this year
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Feb 4, 2024, 12:25 AM
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Every player has regressed since the early half of the season, especially Hall. That’s mostly on coaching. Has to be.
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How ya been, sir?
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Feb 4, 2024, 12:48 AM
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Clemson Basketball is a mess. But water is still wet, so what’s new?
If we make one or 2 more shots per game, we’ll never lose again. We got that going for us!!!
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Have a wonderful Sunday.
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Re: Have laid pretty low during hoops this year
Feb 4, 2024, 3:33 AM
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Agree on all. Have said for weeks no one but Girard and Wiggins should be intentionally shooting threes (yes, sometimes the clock is running down, you r there and a Bradley 3 actually goes). Biggest fail IMO is that at end of all 3 recent close losses, Girard was not fighting to get ball in hand and team was not looking to get Girard the ball. Both our best FZt shooter and ONLY real outside shooter who MIGHT be capable of a bad shot make. Our failure to take advantage of him overall (no double screen, ensure he is open plays on offense, which should be often to really open things up) is yet a another BrownL fail
Long past time for the overpayment and underperformance to end
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Re: Have laid pretty low during hoops this year
Feb 4, 2024, 11:22 AM
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I don't know if we want to keep them at this point, but even if Brad stays looks like there will be a mass exodus of players who had their playing time reduced to give time to Gerard and now Clark.
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Re: Have laid pretty low during hoops this year
Feb 4, 2024, 11:28 AM
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Thanks!
One think that seems to be lost here is that in any competition 50% of teams will lose on any given day.
I heard that and still remembered that wisdom and just wanted to remind everyone of that important stat! 😳
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Re: Have laid pretty low during hoops this year
Feb 4, 2024, 1:49 PM
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Why are we most of the time in the losing 50%
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