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I see one key difference that happens over and over now, compared to early in
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the season. What is it? Early on, our guys were catching passes on the perimeter, with decent looks for three, and taking those shots. And, we were making them, more often than not. Now, I never was a proponent of "live and die by the three". But, that seems to be this teams identity.
For the last several games, we catch that same pass, and instead of letting it rip, we take two or three dribbles, and now, we are in traffic without a shot, and in danger of losing the possession, which has also happened with increasing frequency. Girrard, especially, should NEVER be dribbling inside, he has no leaping ability to get a shot off in there. He gets blocked just about every time he tries it.
Deal from your strengths. PJ Hall is our only inside guy who can legitimately work himself into a short range, high percentage shot most of the time. Schieff is his wingman, there to clean up misses. The rest of the guys, take the open shot from outside when it is there, and we will get back to winning without these struggles. Or we won't but at least we will be giving ourselves a better chance.
Turning a 21 point lead into a nail bitter is just flat out bad basketball, on any level. It should never have been allowed to happen. We were literally one nearly intercepted pass away from losing that game.
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You should let Brad know your thoughts.
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Jan 31, 2024, 7:50 AM
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He might not be aware of these things.
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Tell 'em shill I
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Apparently he isn't. You can tell him for me, next time he reaches into his
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closet to get a sweater, since you'll already be there anyway. Doesn't it get stuffy in there after so long?
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I thought you had me on ignore. Why are you responding to my posts?
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Jan 31, 2024, 8:49 AM
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Pathetic!
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Check again, and get up to date. I don't have ANYONE on ignore. And even when
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Jan 31, 2024, 8:58 AM
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I did, I usually used the "Show Ignored User Posts" button, just to enjoy the madness.
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What was the point of using the ignore feature if you still read the posts?!?***
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The point was, EYE am in control, EYE have the power, not trolls like you.
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I left ignored posts on most of the time because the post branches did not make sense when some replies were just not there. Only when the rhetoric gets totally crazy, usually during a football game, did I actually ignore my list. Football season is over, so the list is gone.
I ignored YOU in particular because you, in all your separate scok forms that you deny, are a total Brad Brownell apologist. You will defend him even if he drove the bus off a cliff with the team on board, while eating a sammich and not paying attention. Brad Brownell is now, just what he was when we hired him, a midmajor coach. He will NEVER have sustained success at Clemson. And, I want change for the basketball program. Just because we do not have a history of success in roundball does NOT mean it is not possible, and that we should continue to settle for mediocrity.
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Okay.***
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Jan 31, 2024, 9:14 AM
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Re: What was the point of using the ignore feature if you still read the posts?!?***
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Jan 31, 2024, 7:12 PM
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Mountie you are sad. Defend average but act like you want to win. Those two don’t go together.
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As he should be!***
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Actually, he should have been fired eight years ago.***
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Love the irony.
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Jan 31, 2024, 8:47 AM
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Says the guy that thinks he knows more about how to manage a football roster and run a football program than Dabo. 😂😂😂
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I dont know more than Dabo, but I do think he should have hired
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Jan 31, 2024, 8:51 AM
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better coaches and used the transfer portal.
If you’ll notice, I don’t typically comment on game specifics like “we should be blitzing more” or “Cade needs to put a tighter spiral on the ball.“ Those are things the coaches are supposed to do. They are the experts.
My criticisms of our football program are general approaches, which are not specific to the nuances of the game.
Big difference compared to the stuff I see here, suggesting that Brad doesn’t know the finer points of basketball.
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Re: I dont know more than Dabo, but I do think he should have hired
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Well if he knows those finer points, he sure does suck at relaying them to his players.
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Really?
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Jan 31, 2024, 9:05 AM
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He sucks at it, but somehow he’s managed to be the winningest coach in Clemson men’s basketball history, set program records for ACC winning percentage, as well as ACC victories in a season, won 23 games last year, and has us in strong consent for an NCAA via this year. Yep, he surely stinks!
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Re: Really?
Jan 31, 2024, 11:28 AM
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Piece of ####...
He's the losingest coach in Clemson history.
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Re: Really?
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Really we are 4-5 in the ACC and you are talking NCAA’s? Not sure what to even say about that kind of logic.
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Re: Really?
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Not sure what to say about your logic as if your conference record is the sole metric to determine an ncaa tourney invite.
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Re: Really?
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So you are saying they would not take a 3rd place team last year but we are still in the running in what 10th place and a losing record. The conference is not even loaded with what 2 ranked teams. Have not even looked at the latest poll.
If you think a team in the bottom 1/2 of the conference is going to make it in then there really isn’t any need in me discussing “metrics.” Just to be clear, where you wont be too disappointed, anything beyond 6, and that’s actually a real stretch, will not make it in.
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Youre learning.
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Jan 31, 2024, 8:00 PM
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Conference finish doesn’t matter these days.
What matters is NET ranking, strength of schedule, record versus quad 1/2, and losses (if any) to quad 3/4.
That’s why we are one of three teams currently in the dance according to dozens of predictions, and not teams ahead of us in the standings who don’t have nearly the resume we do.
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Re: Youre learning.
Jan 31, 2024, 10:43 PM
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Twice since 1985 has the NCAA selection committee skipped over more than one place in selecting a team from the ACC. Not counting Louisville when they had a post season ban. You can keep pretending you know what you're talking about and I'll keep correcting you. The predictions put us as the 3rd of 3 because the projections they look at to make still say we will finish around 4th in conference. They aren't just picking who they think deserves it most. But most of the same models said we would be 8-3 or 7-4 right now. If we go 1-2 against UVA, UNC, and Syracuse that leaves, at best, stuck in pack of 5 win teams with 8 games to go. And, most of those models have FSU flaming out finishing 3-8 after starting 6-3. If they have a similar second half instead they can definitely surpass us and sneak into the tourney. Yes, where we finish in the ACC will most certainly matter as it always has.
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Re: Really?
Jan 31, 2024, 11:30 PM
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We are currently projected in the tournament despite being ranked 10th. Lmao. Are you serious right now?
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I think its the nature of coaching 18 to 22-year-olds in a fast paced game.
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Jan 31, 2024, 9:09 AM
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I feel like some of our fans only watch our team, and notice every little thing we don’t do well, but gloss over the mistakes other teams make.
It would be one thing if we had a horrible field goal percentage, or lead the nation in turnovers, or couldn’t make free throws, but none of those things are the case. We would expect a poorly coached team to be a lot worse than we are.
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CBB's teams do all of those things...
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Jan 31, 2024, 9:20 AM
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There are times when the field goal percentage is horrible, when they make bone headed plays and turn the ball over, they don't defend well, or when they don't shoot FTs well. It seems like it's something different nearly every game. Last night it was rebounding and a lengthy second half scoring drought. It's a consistency issue and that, my friend, boils down to coaching.
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Youre right, we dont always make our shots, rebound well, etc.
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Jan 31, 2024, 8:02 PM
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But guess what? No team does.
The key is to do those things more often than not. On the whole, we do.
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Re: I think its the nature of coaching 18 to 22-year-olds in a fast paced game.
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With the current roster I figured we could take care of GT and VT. If last nights game would have went another 5 mins there was a good chance we would have lost it.
6 pt win against the worst team in the ACC on our home court. Would have expected better than our current standing in the conference.
Are you telling me we are right where we need to be, or is this how you figured it was going to go?
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Re: I dont know more than Dabo, but I do think he should have hired
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And if you notice I clearly said you seem to think you know more about managing a roster and running a program than Dabo does. Your comments about using the portal and coaching hires, suggesting that Dabo doesn’t know how to run a football program, is exactly what I’m talking about.
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Of course he knows how to run a football program.
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He’s one of the best to ever do it.
But that doesn’t mean that he hasn’t made some mistakes along the way. His high level success doesn’t make him infallible, especially when there is considerable evidence that he has made some significant decisions in the last few years which were poor.
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Re: Love the irony.
Jan 31, 2024, 7:14 PM
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He don’t know shxt. Reminds us every day!
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Re: You should let Brad know your thoughts.
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Posters like you are a waste of space. He’s asking a valid question. People like you will jump off a cliff just because someone says to
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Re: You should let Brad know your thoughts.
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Jan 31, 2024, 7:23 PM
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Explain our pour assist stats during the entirety of his tenure if you think Brad knows.
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Re: You should let Brad know your thoughts.
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Well, there's two options here:
1. He's aware, but has no idea how to fix them.
2. He's completely unaware.
Both options make him a bad coach.
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Re: I see one key difference that happens over and over now, compared to early in
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Clemson basketball has been horrid since I was a student in the early 90's. With the exception of a few good years with Rick Barnes, that is.
Why does anyone act surprised? We stink at basketball, and watching people re-litigate every game we lose on TNET for the last 30 years has become tiresome. TNET basketball fans act the exact same as South Carolina football fans. "Surprised", "clueless", and "delusional" after every loss. Always grasping at straws, and unable to accept the truth. We stink, and we always will as long as Brad Brownell is our Head Coach. Accept that fact and quit expecting anything different than what he's produced over the last 15, or whatever seasons. We're not snake-bit, unlucky, or cursed. We have a terrible head coach, and a lame basketball program. Our fan base is largely clueless and has no idea what a winning basketball program looks like. Which doesn't help.
Fire Brad.
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Re: I see one key difference that happens over and over now, compared to early in
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So everyone is bad but you. Is that the idea?
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Just about every team
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Jan 31, 2024, 8:53 AM
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That we play has a quality coaching staff. Our Tigers had success early with Girard making the threes and the other guys contributing also. It didn’t take very long for opponents to defend this strategy and take that part of the game away .... which they have. No coach is dumb enough to allow Girard to have open shots. The game has been changed for Clemson and quite honestly they haven’t responded very well. The Tigers will go just as far as Hall can take them. He has become the victim of very close officiating in key games. Opposing teams will not allow Hall to be “the guy”.
Schieffelin is very capable of being a go to player also ..... and he is developing more with each game. Early fouls have really affected the way the team plays . It was apparent to me that last night coach Brownell used a variety of lineups to force Louisville to make defensive changes.
This will continue to be a season of changes until the team adapts to a different system ..... and they will !
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Re: Just about every team
Jan 31, 2024, 11:35 PM
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Girard has had plenty of open shots. He he's top 5 in the acc in 3 point attempts and makes. He is also shooting the best percentage of his career. I guess hall of fame coach Jim boeheim also didn't know how to get him open either.
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Re: I see one key difference that happens over and over now, compared to early in
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The majority of TNET basketball fans have no clue what a good college basketball team looks like. Exactly how many basketball championships has Clemson basketball won? Exactly. Our fan base knows as much about championship basketball as South Carolina fans know about Championship football.
I have seen what a championship college basketball program looks like up close because I grew up with it. So I'm familiar.
So you just come on TNET to troll but have nothing constructive to add. Is that the idea?
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You make good observations and points but Im sure BB is trying to get crisp
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Ball movement so players are not just standing around taking 3s from outside. Once you become one dimensional and dependent on it to win, good teams will take that away from you. What they need to figure out is how/whent to mix that aspect in at opportune times in the game. Just switch into taking some quick outside shots for a few possessions then switch out to post play and driving it to the basket.
I’m sure BB is trying to get them into that kind of multi-dimensional O. The only problem is it is not coming to them naturally in the flow of the game. When they get that inside/outside game rolling and they play solid D, they are hard to beat. Any team is. That is just stating the obvious I know.
Look, I’m not a BB defender. I’m ready to give somebody new a chance. But I don’t think he is a horrible coach either. He seems too nice at times and doesn’t get pissed enough at losing. That Duke game was a well coached game. They played their butts off and had Duke on the ropes. If not for the lopsided reffing, they won that game. Cliff Barnes would have been livid in that game and afterward. And I mean LIVID! BB is never livid about anything. Just ho hum, oh well, Luke warm kind of attitude. We need a fiery, change agent type of leader coaching this team to shake us out of settling for mediocrity.
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Re: You make good observations and points but Im sure BB is trying to get crisp
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Last night felt like lineup changes killed continuity. In the first half, we are getting owned by the Cards on the offensive boards and I realize Leyte is the only big in the game. It seemed Brownell was trying to use Louisville as an opportunity to get the bench more minutes (eg Beadle, Clark, Godfrey), but it wasn’t working. In the second half they got back to business with Chase, Hall, Scheff to build the big lead, then back to the bench. Oops, the Cards surge back while the Tigers struggled to wake back up. Really just a poor effort by many players. Right now I’m most frustrated with Girard, but fortunately Chase has picked up his shooting.
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That is exactly what happened good idea if it works b/c we need better bench
Jan 31, 2024, 9:04 AM
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play.
Our lack of quality depth is why our Bball team has an uphill battle in the ACC every year. BB can assemble a solid starting 5, but down the stretch either injuries or fatigue takes its toll on them and that is when the wheels start to fall off. Totally understandable given the makeup of the team talent-wise. What really needs to happen is we need to get more solid contributors on the team either via the portal or recruiting. BB has not been anble to accomplish that in the decade plus he has been here.
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Re: That is exactly what happened good idea if it works b/c we need better bench
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So.... Clemson will never be a good team with guys like Hall being recruited and bringing it kids like Girard from the portal! I’m having trouble with that. Schieffelin can play with most teams in this league. The Tigers have the talent.
You absolutely must have guys on the court who refuse to lose. Developing that kind of attitude is not easy ... but it can be done! Good leadership is a very positive thing. Basketball and other ways,
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My point is that we dont have 11 of them for depth***
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Beadle needs to play more***
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Re: I see one key difference that happens over and over now, compared to early in
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I agree. Let it fly
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Re: I see one key difference that happens over and over now, compared to early in
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the season. What is it? Early on, our guys were catching passes on the perimeter, with decent looks for three, and taking those shots. And, we were making them, more often than not. Now, I never was a proponent of "live and die by the three". But, that seems to be this teams identity.
For the last several games, we catch that same pass, and instead of letting it rip, we take two or three dribbles, and now, we are in traffic without a shot, and in danger of losing the possession, which has also happened with increasing frequency. Girrard, especially, should NEVER be dribbling inside, he has no leaping ability to get a shot off in there. He gets blocked just about every time he tries it.
Deal from your strengths. PJ Hall is our only inside guy who can legitimately work himself into a short range, high percentage shot most of the time. Schieff is his wingman, there to clean up misses. The rest of the guys, take the open shot from outside when it is there, and we will get back to winning without these struggles. Or we won't but at least we will be giving ourselves a better chance.
Turning a 21 point lead into a nail bitter is just flat out bad basketball, on any level. It should never have been allowed to happen. We were literally one nearly intercepted pass away from losing that game.
Spot on post, I've noticed the same
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