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I really want to understand when Liberals
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became the war party. They are so blood hungry it makes VP Cheney look like a kindergartener.
Is all about the money. We know that, but it’s fascinating
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Or gone straight Nazi/Hamas....well, that was always common with them***
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Re: Or gone straight Nazi/Hamas....well, that was always common with them***
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Nazis are far-right wingers who were allied with the far-right wingers from fascist Italy and Imperial Japan. Birds of a feather, you know? Yes, yes, I know they were called "National Socialists." The heart of Nazism was also the Big Lie, and the Nietzschean notion that the world naturally subdivides into natural slaves and natural masters, and that the masters are apex predators entitled to prey upon the sheep, who they also called "rabble." Calling their movement "National Socialism" was just the candy-coated exterior to make the harsh medicine go down easier.
They wanted to exterminate the Jews and Slavs and take their "living space" for the Master Race. They were not exactly about turning the world into a Marxist's classless worker's paradise. That's sort of the opposite thing of what they wanted, actually.
Hamas are Islamic jihadists. Religious extremists are also considered right-wing.
So other than it being 100% bullsh!t, you make a fine point. Mind, one of life's genuine mysteries is all these far-left groups on American college campuses that have somehow declared themselves the spiritual brothers of people who would machine-gun them or at best make them hostages and probably also sex slaves, but hey, insisting the world actually make sense is the fastest way to worry yourself into an early grave.
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Re: I really want to understand when Liberals
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You just don't understand the issue and you're in a cult. Dems would be happy with no war. You're the one supporting Putin starting a war. You're a very confused man.
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interesting strawman
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did you build it with manure?
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You just dont understand how important borders are. Ukraines that is.***
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Re: You just dont understand how important borders are. Ukraines that is.***
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Was that a serious comment? What a genius.
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What war do they want to start?***
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Re: What war do they want to start?***
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Or even want.
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Re: What war do they want to start?***
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The Democrat wing of the Uniparty is too smart to actually start wars.
Instead, they place war bait along the trail of ‘bad guys’ who can be readily induced to take that bait (I.e., start a war).
Obama: Signaled fawning weakness to Putin by telling Russian President Medvedev (I.e., Putin’s puppet) in 2012 (Obama’s infamous ‘hot mike’ moment) to inform Putin that he would have ‘more (policy) flexibility to work favorably towards Putin after the 2012 election was over. Obama had also debated M.Romney, during which he ridiculed Romney for his ‘Russia has become dangerous again’ warning with the retort that ‘Mitt, the Cold War ended 20 years ago.’ Emboldened by the bait of America’s facile policy towards Russia, Putin invaded Ukraine in 2014. However, Obama was too timid to intervene, and thus a crisis was wasted.
Obama does get credit for a foreign policy to nurture ISIS into a potential war target. Trump screwed that up, though, and quashed ISIS before an expensive war could be waged.
Obama also gets credit for the Bush era policy of keeping the Afghanistan War going, so there’s that.
Trump was tough on Russia and used the threat of economic warfare (drill baby drill) to shut down Putin’s territorial ambitions. Trump also squashed ISIS, thus ruining a potential money making war opportunity. Trump also almost screwed up Afghanistan War with a cost effective, resource preserving exit. As we know, Trump didn’t get to stay in office to finish that job and exit Afghanistan in the way that warmongers would hate.
This brings us to Biden, who left sweet bait for Putin (via eliminating any threat of economic risk to Russia … Biden done gone Green). Enter Putin vs Ukraine, the sequel. Biden succeeded in inducing a war via a domestic policy that led to foreign war outcome.
The Uniparty is forever grateful.
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You're like the tiggity of horsechit***
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LOL . It is certainly twisted logic based on imaginative connections***
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Never have. You...?***
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The 80s called, they want their foreign policy back
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Hilarious line delivered by Obama as he schooled Romney. Then Russia invaded 2 years later…
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Re: Hahahaha, Jesus, bro.
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I know, right? He mixed it up this time, too. Instead of the Whatabout stacked on top of a strawman argument with revisionist history on top for garnish, this time he went with a strawman argument followed by a non sequitur and concluded with a double ad hominem attack. And profanity!
That's gotta be worth something, right? Well, let's do the math here...zero, plus zero, times zero, and times zero twice again....
Nope. It's still zero. Well, durn. I thought he had us there for a second.
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Cutesy characterizations... Now debate it by point.***
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A few corrections and additional context are in order:
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Apr 22, 2024, 1:20 PM
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>>The Democrat wing of the Uniparty is too smart to actually start wars. Instead, they place war bait along the trail of ‘bad guys’ who can be readily induced to take that bait (I.e., start a war).
There is no Uniparty. The differences in the Democrats and non-insane Republicans are huge. An example is abortion, where Republicans have managed through the courts to strip millions of women of their reproductive rights. A uniparty would never have done this.
As for "war bait", I don't remember this being a right-wing talking point on 9/11. And I don't remember right-wingers being angry that Putin remained in Syria, Ukraine, and continued political assassinations & continued disrupting western elections during the Trump years.
>>Obama....Obama....Obama....
I never voted for Obama, and I also thought he was a weak foreign policy president. He totally mis-diagnosed the threat from Putin, just as Bush did the same. But Obama inherited an absolute catastrophe from George Bush on both the foreign and economic domestic fronts. He was forced to play with the hand he was dealt.
It's not all that dis-similar from the national nightmare that Biden inherited in 2021 from Trump, with our economy in the tank, and thousands of people dying every day from Covid, Putin still in Ukraine and still assassinating people and still trying to undermine elections, and China getting more pushy by the day, and our own Democracy under an assault from Trump himself. You guys want to completely wipe away any memory of what Trumph handed over to Biden, but I'm not going to let you get away with it.
>> Trump was tough on Russia and used the threat of economic warfare (drill baby drill) to shut down Putin’s territorial ambitions. Trump also squashed ISIS, thus ruining a potential money making war opportunity. Trump also almost screwed up Afghanistan War with a cost effective, resource preserving exit. As we know, Trump didn’t get to stay in office to finish that job and exit Afghanistan in the way that warmongers would hate.
This brings us to Biden, who left sweet bait for Putin (via eliminating any threat of economic risk to Russia … Biden done gone Green). Enter Putin vs Ukraine, the sequel. Biden succeeded in inducing a war via a domestic policy that led to foreign war outcome.
Trump gave Russia what they wanted on various fronts. He attacked NATO, and had plans to pull out of NATO in a second term. He attacked and tried to extort Zelensky & Ukraine. He weakened and attacked Democracy here in the US. And he pulled out of other treaties like the Open Skies Agreement, as well as many other international agreements. He isolated the US and made us weaker. Of course, Putin was happy with those developments, and put on hold any additional attacks in Ukraine, as he was getting what he wanted. Trump's a stooge for Putin. Trump and Putin were fellow travelers. The detente that you think is due to Trump being "tough" is complete nonsense. And you blaming Biden's "green" policies for the war is a hoot. We're actually drilling for more oil & gas than ever. It comes across as a convenient way to blame a policy you hate to begin with, while ignoring what Biden is actually doing.
>> The Uniparty is forever grateful.
There is no Uniparty.
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Total BS other than the discrepancies with abortion/states' rights. Of course,
Apr 22, 2024, 1:46 PM
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that was SCOTUS. The rest...prabble.
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You either live in an alternate reality or your brain doesn't work.***
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Perpetuating endless war at the cost
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to my family isn’t acceptable. I never said they wanted to start one….I just said they keep fueling it with my money, which I wholeheartedly disagree with happening.
But you knew that.
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Re: Perpetuating endless war at the cost
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So your solution is to let Russia take Ukraine massacring and *aping until they have all of Ukraine. Great plan man. Just put them right on Poland and a couple of other allies. They can take Moldova too. Sounds like you really thought this one out. Not to mention all of the kids they have kidnapped. They have already taken 20k Ukraine back to Russia. You're on it. Putin is the call. You just want peace that is all. I understand.
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You have proven to be a troll.
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It’s not dinner time.
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Re: You have proven to be a troll.
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Nice try, but you should sit these topics out. You're not cut out for them.
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Re: you sound like a 12 year old***
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I would assume your knowledge of this topic would be the same as tigermanac, that of 12 year olds. You two genius' have that going for you.
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Oh no no. Don't pull that.
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Your family's cost? YOU were okay with a president who increased our military budget. He boosted the military industrial complex. And he lied to you in thinking he doesn't support all that. And you fell for it.
Rather than hold the man who you fan boy over accountable for his spending, you foolishly fail to do any research and take him at his word.
Trump added to your family war cost.
Here's what you stupidly said to troll--and you knew you were trolling with a dumb statement:
I really want to understand when Liberals became the war party. They are so blood hungry it makes VP Cheney look like a kindergartener.
And you can't spell "kindergartner" but that's not a shock. Cheney started wars. He put the U.S. in wars. What you're trying to compare that to is funding to keep a European nation from falling--who you want to fall because you adore Putin--so the rest of Europe doesn't fall victim to it.
You're either so devoid of historical knowledge that you don't understand the risks of the U.S. sitting back and letting a dictator conquer whatever he wants in Europe--or you want it to happen. Given your actions on Jan. 6, I'm not giving you the benefit of the doubt.
So, in summary:
1. Stupid ### OP.
2. Weak troll job.
3. Dumb comparison
4. Faux crybaby ploy over your family's cost when you support a boatload of other pricey Trump ########.
Thanks for playing.
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Re: Oh no no. Don't pull that.
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Do you believe that Putins plan is to conquer Europe? Do you believe it’s Putins plan to conquer all of Ukraine?
If so please show reasons why you believe that. Just trying to educate myself.
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All of Europe? No. All of Ukraine? Yes.
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But he wants to recapture old Soviet bloc nations and restore Russia's power while keeping Western Europe in check and afraid.
Reasons I believe that:
1. He's an evil dictator who craves more power. He always has.
2. He was a hardlined loyal Soviet. He was not a happy man when it collapsed.
3. He wants NATO weakened.
4. I'll defer to history on what power-hungry dictators tend to do with conquest and what happens when they are not kept in check.
Can you tell me why (and I'm not accusing you of this) so many Trump supporters give Putin such a pass on his actions and behavior? Almost to the point of cheering him on?
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What constitutes a "war party"?....
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And explain why so many GOP congressional members votes for funding of wars where our soldiers are not fighting/dying.
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They no longer follow the will of their
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constituents. It’s all the lobbyist and their silk pockets. It’s no longer about what the people want.
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I 100 percent guarantee you supported Iraq war
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You were probably still popping zits in the mirror then and wondering why pro wrestlers made your nether regions tingle like ways they never had before, but you still probably supported it.
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Orange Blooded [2115]
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OK, well the vast majority of Dem voters support Ukraine....
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And slightly less than half of GOP voters support Ukraine. So, providing assistance to Ukraine currently is not an unpopular "hey, you're not following the voters" issue.
https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2024/04/15/majority-of-americans-support-sending-aid-to-ukraine--poll-says
The Dem voted for funding strongly, which makes sense, as about 3/4 of Dem voters are supporting this.
Pubs approved the Ukraine funding with about 47% of the House Republicans voting for it, and there's about 40% of GOP voters who support funding. Independents are split about 50/50.
Also, Biden hasn't started any wars, and we're not involved in any hot land-wars. We've helped Israel defend herself from missile attacks from Iran. And we're providing material & advisory assistance to Ukraine.
So, if this is your idea of a war party, you've completely mis-diagnosed the situation.
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Where is all that European money for this effort?
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Oh yea, it’s buying Russian oil and natural gas. GD fools; all of ye.
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Re: Where is all that European money for this effort?
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Before the aid arrives from this next package. They have given more than we have when you combine all EU institutions. They have committed 93 billion dollars. The USA 75 billion. That was before this package of aid that hasn't been completely signed off on. Everyone is giving to Ukraine. The Japanese have given them 7 billion worth of aid. The Australians have given a billion. The problem is the United States is the only country that can boost up their military in Ukraine. Germany is the next closest as far as military aid. Canada has given 6 billion. Even neutral Switzerland has given over 2 billion. This bigger than what you know apparently. The USA is the only country that can save them with the military equipment. There's the story.
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So after this bill; weve given the most? lol shocker.
Apr 21, 2024, 10:01 PM
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Too bad they don’t have fighter jets.
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Re: So after this bill; weve given the most? lol shocker.
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Yes, so far. And? Our GDP is larger than all of the EU combined. You do realize that a lot of that money EU is spending comes right to us as well? Probably not. Also, they will have other packages for Ukraine. Also, they have been given jets by the EU, but we have better ones and they are trying to win.
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You do realize these two facts:
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1. It’s in the EU’s back fkn yard
2. They are funding Putin’s army because they all went full climate alarmist and now have to suk Putin’s dk for energy.
GD our govt is fkn trash and everyone voting for this disaster is a gd idiot.
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Re: You do realize these two facts:
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1. NATO's back yard. Our allies. There is a bigger picture.
Anyway, that post is just too ignorant to delve into. As far as that last comment, I think you're projecting a little bit.
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Imagine being this upset at politics, that you don't nor have ever
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had any control over. What's your walking-around blood pressure, guy?
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Remember, he said that...
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If you don't believe this nation is a banana republic and that all of Trump's charges are bogus, you're his enemy.
Literally the BS Keowee typed a few days ago.
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T-Rump should have been a demented, feeble old man... Great defense.***
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They have a party fundraising mechanism by laundering money via Ukraine
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So they’ll support the war forever. Also Russia doesn’t allow gay pride parades so Dems feel justified in their anti-Russia hatred.
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Re: They have a party fundraising mechanism by laundering money via Ukraine
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Yeah that's why people don't like Putin. You nailed it.
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Re: Please explain how this laundering is occurring.
Apr 22, 2024, 11:12 AM
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They never can explain their conspiracy theories.
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Simple question, genius. Who pays for all those K Street think tanks/lobbyists?
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How much of that 'Defense budget' is written by those very same firms' lawyers?
I don't think you're really that naive, but faking it for argumentative value is a bad look.
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If its that simple, explain it to me.
Apr 22, 2024, 4:58 PM
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How / where is money changed hands?
Where exactly does it become "laundering"?
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There are a variety of avenues... mostly built into the system with bid/no bid
Apr 22, 2024, 6:03 PM
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contracts that often have exorbitant overruns due to exorbitant pricing.
I think it's as much if not more on the Intel side now with the integration of high tech weaponry.
Who knows who's getting passed gold bars apparently without consequence? (minor example but I had to mention it)
M.E.T.A. spent $400M in 'zuckerbucks' on Dems in the last Presidential election. Drop in the bucket for him, but why?
The Pentagon has several $Trillion$ unaccounted for and that's been the case for decades... It's elaborate scheming that's never addressed.
Somewhere in there you might find some "laundering"... Don't try to testify about it, though. Might be beyond unhealthy.
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110%er [6498]
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Re: I really want to understand when Liberals
Apr 23, 2024, 4:51 PM
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I would also like to know when liberals stopped being true liberals and became totalitarian leftists.
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