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Dabo Quote - consequences v conscience
Feb 21, 2022, 10:34 AM
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"when there are no consequences, there's no conscience." Such a statement previously encompassed a common sense understanding and SHOULD have been all the reason anyone needed (given attempted liability immunity to all involved with jabs) to decline the experimental gene therapy injections and to ENSURE no talk of mandates/passports/restrictions (though they still - without any TRUE science or conscience - continue). Be safe!
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"experimental gene therapy injections"
Feb 21, 2022, 10:52 AM
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Tell us you're dumb without telling us you're dumb.
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Not to split hairs here, but I will.
Feb 21, 2022, 1:54 PM
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Covid DOES alter your DNA. Many other viruses do as well. 8% of the human genome is DNA inserted based on exposure to ancient viral rna. Most of the time this ancient viral-created DNA sits dormant, and does nothing. BUT, it is kept as a reserve (a stockpile basically) of past nasty viruses humans have dealt with. It can be activated at any time by new viruses to help the immune system (in doing this, it can also impact your entire body and impact longevity). Covid is one of these viruses. In fact, covid actually activates some ancient viral dna in our genome, specifically herv-w (Human Endogenous Retrovirus-W) but there's probably many more we dont' know about. HIV and MS also initiate the expression of the herv-w gene, fwiw. When it is activated, it causes some bad stuff, but that bad stuff probably allows you to survive the virus relatively healthy at the expense of longterm consequences our ancestors never dealt with since they only lived 28 years on average before 1700. Enteroviruses activate genes which cause Type 1 diabetes. All this is the stuff totally ignored about covid, but is perhaps the most important. Long term this has impacts, and we ARE evolving to handle the virus, and we just have to wait and see the consequences of that.
So yeah, the full SARS cov2 virus mutates our DNA. It also activates proteins of long dormant prior viruses we carry in our genes. The jury is still out about the impact of the mRNA vaccines, but the CAN alter human DNA just as the same natural viral RNA impacted Wuhan. The good news is in theory, anything mRNA vaccines add or alter to our genome is nothing covid won't add/alter anyway, or a portion of it anyway. Genetically it is, again, no more dangerous than covid, which is dangerous. So it's not without consequences, and possibly genetic ones.
This was known in 2010.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100107103621.htm
And read up on herv....its not good: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.18.21266111v2#:~:text=Altogether%2C%20the%20present%20study%20revealed,acute%20and%20post%2Dacute%20COVIDSARS-CoV-2 induces human endogenous retrovirus type W envelope protein expression in blood lymphocytes and in tissues of COVID-19 patients Patients with COVID-19 may develop abnormal inflammatory response and lymphopenia, followed in some cases by delayed-onset syndromes, often long-lasting after the initial SARS-CoV-2 infection. As viral infections may activate human endogenous retroviral elements (HERV), we studied the effect of SARS-CoV-2 on HERV-W and HERV-K envelope (ENV) expression, known to be involved in immunological and neurological pathogenesis of human diseases. Our results have showed that the exposure to SARS-CoV-2 virus activates early HERV-W and K transcription but only HERV-W ENV protein expression, in an infection- and ACE2-independent way within peripheral blood mononuclear cell cultures from one-third of healthy donors. Moreover, HERV-W ENV protein was significantly increased in serum and plasma of COVID-19 patients, correlating with its expression in CD3+ lymphocytes and with disease severity. Finally, HERV-W ENV was found expressed in post-mortem tissues of lungs, heart, brain olfactory bulb and nasal mucosa from acute COVID-19 patients in cell-types relevant for COVID-19-associated pathogenesis within affected organs, but different from those expressing of SARS-CoV-2 antigens. Altogether, the present study revealed that SARS-CoV-2 can induce HERV-W ENV expression in cells from individuals with symptomatic and severe COVID-19. Our data suggest that HERV-W ENV is likely to be involved in pathogenic features underlying symptoms of acute and post-acute COVID. It highlights the importance to further understand patients’ genetic susceptibility to HERV-W activation and the relevance of this pathogenic element as a prognostic marker and a therapeutic target in COVID-19 associated syndromes.
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You're getting covid, or you're getting a vaccine. One of the two WILL happen. All things being equal, it's better to have the vaccine's covid mRNA and then deal with the same covid mRNA later only differing due to variants. It's the same thing.
Long covid is going to be a #####, and probably (already is) more impactful than the deaths from the virus. You don't want the virus, not only to die from it, but to live as a "survivor" also carries consequences. Genetic ones, that can cause long term disabilities. Children will be impacted less because they're younger, and the impacts of the genetic modifications help them survive long enough to reproduce, but add consequences later in life. Kind of like sickle-cell. It provides malaria immunity which allows children who would otherwise die from malaria to grow old enough to procreate, BUT it shortens their life otherwise at the expense of surviving malaria and reproducing. There are studies showing covid alters cell metabolism, which explains long covid fatigue. It alters B and T immune cells as well, making them weaker, lower in counts, and impacts them in a very similar way that HIV impacts them. Whether this is temporary or permanent remains to be seen.
So when everyone decries the insane response to covid, based on maybe 50 million mostly old people dying who are not productive, it wasn't based on just deaths. The decision to create and use mRNA vaccines wasn't based on saving people dying from covid alone. It's based on long term consequences that we will see eventually. Genetically changed people. If covid only caused pneumonia in old people and a bunch of deaths, it would be different.
I'd wager it's possible these labor shortages, which are impacting every country, are not due to dead people, but more due to disabled people or long covid. Brain fog, lung problems, fibrosis, dementia, cardiac changes, neurological impairment, fatigue, and others we have yet to determine, all can be consequences of covid, even if you survive and it's just a mild head cold.
I've mentioned the well documented immune suppression covid employs. It's why vaccines will never work. It's also why natural immunity will never work. It's a similar process with AIDS (HIV). HIV slowly debilitates the immune system over time. It may take 8-10 years before you notice more and more symptoms. Eventually you become very sick from opportunistic diseases and HIV becomes AIDS. At that point most people end up dying from pneumonia, which happened because of an impaired immune system caused by HIV. Covid's immune impairment is unique to covid among respiratory viruses. It's on a whole new scale. And long term it may, or may not, cause something similar to AIDS. We don't know. Short term it has a similar impact in some people. But there is that potential. The airborne AIDS nuts have not been proven wrong yet. There's a chance anyway they could be close to correct. Will take many years to know.
And lest we forget, 40% of survivors of the original SARS virus from 2003, STILL had diagnosed mental conditions in 2009, and a similar percentage had chronic fatigue. And these long term impacts of SARS have been ignored through the years. And we are ignoring them today with covid.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/415378
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7112501/Long-term psychiatric morbidities among SARS survivors Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) was the first massive infectious disease outbreak of the 21st century. However, it is unlikely that this outbreak will be the last. This study aimed to evaluate the long-term psychiatric morbidities in survivors ...
Going back to the OP, COVID is an experimental gene therapy and our mRNA vaccines may well be too, but they would only modify a portion of our DNA that the full covid virus would alter. Many viruses are just that. If you're going to freak out about an mRNA vaccine, you've already had (the same and worse) if you got covid and recovered. If not, you will get worse eventually. Long term consequences happen more in people with severe infections, but they span all ages, but impact older people more. Fat people too, even if younger and with milder diseases, also people with diabetes. And you may notice, 28yo is VERY roughly the cutoff age from very few consequences to more consequences. We call that "younger people" today, but genetically, they're "older" people. There are likely much more genetic modification caused by covid than from just the covid S gene mRNA of the Wuhan flavor.
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SQUIRT IS JUST PEE
Feb 21, 2022, 11:03 AM
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-DABO (via kathleen)
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