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Oculus Spirit [98226]
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This article cracks me up
Dec 29, 2021, 10:02 AM
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So in China, if you break the lockdown, they shackle you and parade you through the streets, so the throngs of thousands of other people not following the lock down order, can watch as you're paraded by for doing what the spectators are doing? Just doesn't make sense. Maybe this was after a lockdown, and they broke a prior lockdown order, but still, public shaming won't have much impact if the public is locked down.
PS. - May want to consider sourcing happy meal toys from another country, at least for a while.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10352249/Chinese-lockdown-rule-breakers-publicly-shamed-ensure-Covid-rules-obeyed.html
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Oculus Spirit [79670]
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No more nonsensical than having to wear a mask to
Dec 29, 2021, 10:15 AM
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walk 20' inside of a restaurant where you can then remove it, or wanting private medical insurance to refuse care to people who haven't gotten the covid vaccine (which you can mix and match!).
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Orange Blooded [4679]
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Re: BTW, this is what your world where we provide services
Dec 29, 2021, 10:46 AM
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If that doesn’t both scare you and #### you off you’re not an American.
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Oculus Spirit [79670]
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That type of scene as well as the Chinese shaming is the
Dec 29, 2021, 10:53 AM
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kind of world people who support mandates are asking for, whether they realize it or not.
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Orange Blooded [3587]
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Re: BTW, this is what your world where we provide services
Dec 30, 2021, 2:05 PM
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Respectfully, why should this concern us any more than when police remove or arrest someone who broke a rule/law otherwise? Those folks knew the rules and had other options available to them…not the least of which is just going ahead and getting vaccinated.
I’m not necessarily a fan of these mandates…or any mandate…but if we want to be consistent as pubs, shouldn’t we just tell them to move to another city/state if they don’t like the rules there, show some personal responsibility, pull themselves up by their bootstraps, or just simply call them snowflakes? I suppose we could also remind them how easy it is to just get vaccinated (probably almost as easy as obtaining a picture ID for voting purposes).
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Oculus Spirit [98226]
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I don't support vaccine mandates.
Dec 29, 2021, 11:04 AM
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I think you're misreading me bigly. I support freedom, always. And as such, personal responsibility, and with that, the consequences. You can't have what we have, which is freedom, without personal responsibility. That's our biggest problem as a country and has been for some time. It's the reason for the large majority of our national debt.
You don't want to save for retirement? Fine. You're free to blow your money however you want. BUT, we still give you social security and medical care with the money other people contribute? We can't afford a tax rate to subsidize our freedom without suffering consequences.
You can't be "free" and then refuse a vaccine, knowing what that means, and still expect your insurance, your government, your sources that defray the cost and consequences of your free choice, you can't expect them to treat your exercising of freedom the same as someone who contributes. When you CHOOSE to drive without a seatbelt, that's your free choice. But when you get in that wreck, and are injured, your care is paid (largely) for by someone else, who wore their seat belt. Insurance exists to offset risks. That's the whole point. But it doesn't work the same as you have consequences. Cause a wreck, your premiums go up. Get a DUI, up more. Your 15yo kid starts driving, you pay more. Be broke, homeless, drunk, and fall off a bridge, other people's taxes pay for that treatment. No consequences to the homeless guy. Rich older man needs skilled nursing care? He has to sell his house, his car, and his life away, and when that runs out, government THEN continues paying for him. Broke, homeless, drunk guy needs skilled nursing, he gets it same as the rich guy who had to sell his life's assets, for the same thing.
Freedom ain't free. We should stop trying to make it that way IMO.
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Oculus Spirit [79670]
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"Refuse a vaccine, knowing what that means"
Dec 29, 2021, 11:31 AM
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How would anybody "know what that means" to refuse this covid vaccine? Particularly if they're younger, in good health, and at almost no statistical risk from covid? About the only thing "they know" is that they have no legal recourse if it screws them up. They can still get covid, they can still spread covid, they can even end up in the hospital. We've moved the goal posts from 90% effective at reducing spread! to maybe it will help lessen the severity of your case. So no, nobody really knows anything.
How am I not contributing if I'm paying insurance premiums? I'd hope you can see how it's ludicrous to compare not getting this vaccine to drunk driving, right?
Using your logic, people who vaccinate their children should be paying higher premiums. And coverage should be denied for any vaccine related issues. Since insurance exists to offset risks, and children are at basically no risk from covid, it would only make sense no? Especially considering some of the heart related side effects that are popping up in young people.
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Re: "Refuse a vaccine, knowing what that means"
Dec 29, 2021, 11:33 AM
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Preach!!
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