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Former Tigers transfers stats
Oct 4, 2023, 11:43 AM
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Anyone keeping up with the status of the players that transferred from last year? How’s the grass in the other pasture?
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How about players who transferred to Clemson?***
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Oct 4, 2023, 11:48 AM
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Much easier exercise
Oct 4, 2023, 1:40 PM
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Than the original
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Re: How about players who transferred to Clemson?***
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Oct 4, 2023, 2:16 PM
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None of them have won an ACC championship or made it to the Big Dance... Oh sorry, I thought you meant basketball.
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Re: Former Tigers transfers stats
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Oct 4, 2023, 11:49 AM
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Found my answer. EJ Williams and Dacari Collins have 5 receptions combined
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Re: Former Tigers transfers stats
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Oct 4, 2023, 11:55 AM
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Sergio Allen 5 Games 2 Tackles 0 Int
Billy Wiles 5 Games 92/174 53% 1088 7td 5int 34att 13 1td
Decari Collins 4 Games 3 Rec 45y 1td
Kevin Swint 5 Games 16 Tackles 2 Sacks
EJ Williams 2 Games 2 Rec 29 yards
DJ Uiagalelei 5 Games 73/127 58% 1032 8td 4int 28att 117 5td
LaVonta Bentley 5 games 14 tackles
Fred Davis III 2 games 0 0 0
Kobe Pace 5 games 39att 128 1td 8 rec 112 2td
Etinosa Reuben 5 games 1 tackle
Malcolm Greene 5 games 7 tackles
TJ Dudley no stats
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Missed Chez Melussi
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Oct 4, 2023, 12:13 PM
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at Wisconsin, although he is hurt.
6 yards a carry this season. 51 carries for 307 yards.
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Re: Former Tigers transfers stats
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Oct 4, 2023, 12:19 PM
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Just based on these numbers, it would seem to indicate that talent evaluation was mostly the problem instead of development.
DJU was a 5 star QB Kobe was a 3 star RB Dacari and EJ were 4 star WRs Reuben was a 3 star DL Allen, Bentley, and Swint were 4 star LBs Fred and Malcolm were 4 star CBs
Outside of Swint, who's a Georgia State, no one else is making an impact. I guess you could argue their new coaches are poor at developing talent as well, but it's most likely an indication that they were just complete misses.
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As long as someone is to blame for a player not panning out
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Oct 4, 2023, 12:22 PM
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that's really all that matters.
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It's difficult to evaluate heart-effort away from home...
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Oct 4, 2023, 12:25 PM
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a lot of high schoolers never realize full potential, not remotely, and that's not only in sports, but life in general.
It is a two-way street.
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Re: It's difficult to evaluate heart-effort away from home...
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Oct 4, 2023, 1:19 PM
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Dabo said DJU was the hardest worker on the team. Heart and effort was there. Mechanics and accuracy were not. That's evaluation.
We make it a point to recruit cultural fits. We offer so few players. We are a developmental program. These are all things that Dabo has said about us, and I believe them to be true. Poor evaluations seems like the problem. The 2019 class is a perfect example. We signed 29 players. Maybe 6 of them will play significant snaps in the NFL. Hitting on only 20% of your class isn't ideal.
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Re: It's difficult to evaluate heart-effort away from home...
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Oct 4, 2023, 1:19 PM
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2020 was decent, but not great.
2021, 2022, and 2023 look a lot better.
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It's clear to me something happened to DJ and he himself...
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Oct 4, 2023, 1:44 PM
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echoed it when he arrived in Oregon State. He said he was far more comfortable not being the center of attention at Clemson, not being constantly in the spotlight and likely not having the weight of following DW4 & TL16. He and his gf could live in relative obscurity, he was at peace being anonymous.
You can not evaluate that happening.
Dabo has had plenty in the Love Shack and Clemson has said goodbye to others that did not fit after they arrived and in some cases pull offers before because something came up.
Kenneth Page Chalmers Fred Hayes Derion Kendrick Marlin Lane Martavis Bryant Joe Craig Region Bellamy Lakip Townsend Chad Kelly Priester Lazy Leggett Cain Lyn-J Ogendecku?
That doesn't include the KB2s and Powells that contributed late, seemingly lost at no fault of the coaches, because they took longer to grow up. It's life.
You can't make them work or realize their potential without them wanting it. 2 things in life, ability and desire, the 2nd is almost completely on the individual.
If anything, it brought out those that wished Dabo would force them out, but Dabo has always said he signed up for all 3-5 years and would not stop chopping wood unless the player showed himself to the door.
It's not just add water and never has been. The idea that anyone leaves out the easily distracted mind of a ~17-21 year old in this process is absurd.
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Re: It's clear to me something happened to DJ and he himself...
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Oct 4, 2023, 3:36 PM
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What happened with DJ is that defenses watched film on him and realized he wasn't accurate throwing the football beyond 10 yards. It didn't help him that our WRs weren't very good either. It wasn't all his fault, obviously. But he was clearly overrated. The coaches saw a kid with a big arm that was a culture fit. I wish it had worked out but it didn't.
Like I said..
2019 was really bad 2020 was okay, but had its fair share of misses - Those two classes probably kept us out of the playoffs for 3 straight years
2021 had some stars + quality starters 2022 looks to be okay, guys are still developing 2023 is looking great so far - These three classes are looking nice so far, hopefully 2024 will as well
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No, he fell apart after his freshman year to the point he...
Oct 4, 2023, 4:05 PM
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sought counseling, likely for the reasons he mentioned and understandably so, likely as well for his family situation - his parents' divorce.
Of course he had a big arm, but that wasn't remotely the only trait every evaluation lauded him for or how he was touted 1-3 in about every profile. Those are 3rd party, and yes, the programs that offered him is an indication of his potential as well - "we don't know other's evaluation", which is exactly what you're told here as you have < 5% of the information and yet you still run off at the keyboard?
What we do know is about every program worth mentioning offered the young man. He changed after his freshman year and from what I can gather, it wasn't Georgia that began to do him in, but the first scrimmage in 2021 where the offensive team was embarrassed was in my estimation the first sign of things that as fans we could see in mind's eye.
The NFL has nothing to do with this, not one of these kids is promised that and that is once again up to them, 100% desire to push through. Is the success of those that do make it promoted? Of course, but it is never promised, because it is a two-way street. You can not promise their half.
As great a job as this staff does upfront, most all the kids that hit the portal are demic of the situation at hand. You can't make them work, and too many now will take the easy way out.
How many kids are shipwrecked in the portal now, watching the sands of their eligibility clock disappear? Do you believe many of them would like a do over? They're young and in too many cases misled.
It all comes back to the two things, ability and desire - the 2nd causes more of your misses than likely most all other things combined.
And we haven't even begun to discuss injury, which greatly impacts both.
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Re: It's difficult to evaluate heart-effort away from home...
Oct 4, 2023, 2:14 PM
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The 2019 class: 29 total, 11 4☆s leaving a majority of 18 2&3☆s and eventually a significant # of the class was lost to combo of either transfer or injury which technically could be categorized as missed evals.
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Or the advent of the portal and the "greener grasses"?
Oct 4, 2023, 2:19 PM
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understanding they'd been out recruited or disinterested in putting in the time and effort to move beyond or hold off any interlopers.
No doubt there could be misses, but if so most of these guys were recruited by a lot of great programs, so no one would be alone in that. Again, the wild card that no one wants to address is these kids showing up on campus after being the talk of the town and immediately becoming a number - for the most of them.
Ability and desire, you can not make them want it; Dabo and many coaches talk about that maturation often...
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Re: Or the advent of the portal and the "greener grasses"?
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Oct 5, 2023, 10:56 AM
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You've raised some insightful points. But don't all programs face similar challenges?
Given that we extend offers to a limited number of kids, it implies that we're thorough in our evaluations. But, is this strategy proving effective?
It undoubtedly places a heightened emphasis on our evaluations, not just on skills but also on attributes like grit and mental resilience.
Ultimately, it's evident that our offensive talent isn't matching up to the elite schools.
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It does and Dabo has said as much, unfortunately...
Oct 5, 2023, 11:39 AM
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with all the new found freedom and distractions in college, you don't know how they are going to respond until they experience it.
The staff passes on many, they do interviews of coaches, teachers, advisors, counselors, family & friends that visit, likely and disappointingly handlers, flag social media et al. in hopes of weeding out any interlopers, but you don't know until they are plunged into a new world. All visitors are graded by current team leaders, Dabo has told stories of passing on recruits because those leaders have told the staff a particular visitor or recruit doesn't fit. It's a tireless effort.
And this issue isn't just athletes, in no way, shape or form, it's all kids who go off on their own without that constant parental guidance. They're 17, the bread ain't close to being done yet. Haha.
Every college goes through it, others more so because they don't do the same work up front. We as fans hear very little of what goes on inside football programs, every program has a Love Shack, but even less so at Clemson because it balked years ago at having set, written guidelines for "sports" as was forced upon that HS program in the Midlands and many others because of the problems.
If you hear about a Clemson player getting in trouble, it's usual because they face Student Policy first and always or Dabo mentions the Love Shack or Accountability Points...
There is no crystal ball, unfortunately. If so, I'm sure everyone would use it and a lot of this might be avoided.
'Cause he was allergic to study hall...
https://www.si.com/nfl/2012/12/12/clemson-martavis-bryant-suspended-chickfila-bowl
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Re: It's difficult to evaluate heart-effort away from home...
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Oct 4, 2023, 2:32 PM
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If we missed on the evaluation with DJ then so did everyone else. He was #1 or #2 prospect depending on the service and EVERYONE wanted him. He brought his team back from 28-5 down against Bryce Young's team in the CA Sectional Final and won that game, head to head. There was nothing that pointed to the struggles he would have in college.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InwWT886-Vw
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Re: It's difficult to evaluate heart-effort away from home...
Oct 4, 2023, 3:21 PM
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We do not know where DJ stood on everyone's recruiting boards. The fact is that DJ camped at Clemson and impressed the coaches enough to be their only real offer at QB. They were clearly enamored with his arm strength. Dabo even said that they wouldn't let DJ throw to most of the kids at the camp.
I would imagine the arm talent distracted most coaches and caused them to overlook his deficiencies.
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I saw a couple of his HS games on ESPN and he wasn't very
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Oct 4, 2023, 3:34 PM
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remarkable in them, he just looked like he was somebody's older brother out there playing with children
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Re: It's difficult to evaluate heart-effort away from home...
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Oct 5, 2023, 10:34 AM
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respectfully disagree
QB is the most difficult position to evaluate. DJ had all the measurables you look for in a QB and had great HS stats
It wasn't just Dabo and CU that offered DJ...he had offers from basically every major program in the country
The evaluation issues w/QB are multiple, but among them is the ability to project what they will be able to improve on, and honestly, it's anybody's guess.
2 Cases as example- 1) Phillip Rivers. He was overlooked by many and most thought he should move to TE in college. Was everybody a poor evaluator? 2) Patrick Mahomes. He wasn't very highly regarded as a QB talent - 3 star if memory serves correctly. I think we all know how that's turning out
Offensive Line and QB are the hardest to predict and nobody gets it right every time.
Trevor & Deshaun were "hits" DJU was a miss...it happens
It's not just college recruiting either. The NFL draft is littered with hits and misses.
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Re: Former Tigers transfers stats
Oct 4, 2023, 12:51 PM
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Chez transferred in 2021/2022. OP asked about last years transfers.
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Some of those kids....
Oct 4, 2023, 12:54 PM
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would've been better off staying. Seeing Decari make his comments earlier....shoot, he would've seen more action/production at CLEM.
But will say most of those kids didn't/weren't pan out. Every team has misses, no one "hits" on everyone....
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Re: Former Tigers transfers stats
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Oct 4, 2023, 12:58 PM
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Hated to lose Bentley. The rest, meh.
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Flimsy data, steel manned but no matter...
Oct 4, 2023, 1:30 PM
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as it serves only to support an assumed premise which happens to be false: you believe some form of an inverse property holds true in a 0 sample size, centrillion variable climate of the Tranfer Portal interstate highway. (Minimum sample size generally 30)
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Re: Former Tigers transfers stats
Oct 4, 2023, 6:39 PM
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Charleston is the only transfer from Clemson other than Mellusi and DJU that is getting significant PT. He's been a starter since he got to Mizzou. As has been said, Mellusi got injured and there's been enough keyboard clacking to power a space shuttle over DJU.
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